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Boxer6

DRL's vs. Indicators

Is anyone up to speed with the regulations on these?

I ask because when waiting to exit a side street today a latest model Qashqai was approaching from my right, indicating to turn left into the road I was on - but I couldn't see it due to the very bright, non-dimming DRL's.

I would have waited until the car had actually started its turn before I moved in any event - especially as it was a 30-something female driver!! - but knowing this would be a likely event would have helped a bit.

For those who haven't noticed (as I hadn't before today) the new Cashcow DRL's are designed thusly:  > <, with the indicators right in the point of the "V" shape. As they don't dim, it makes seeing the flashing orange very difficult indeed.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

If the indicator is within a specified distance of the DRL's, then the DRL's must dim or extinguish when the indicator is in use... sorry but I don't know the legal distance.  The Fiesta has DRL's that dim when the indicators flash * (the lamps are in the same cluster) but the Captur doesn't as they are too far apart (DRLs are separate from the rest of the lights, and at the bottom of the front bumper by the fog lamps).  I thought that the DRLs on the Casjcow dimmed when the indicators were in use, maybe you came across a rogue Cashcow with defective lights?

* Sidelights/parking lights on the Fiesta appear to be DRLs at reduced brightness, not a separate 5W bulb.  When the indicator is in use, the DRL dims to the brightness of the "sidelight/parking light mode"
Boxer6

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
If the indicator is within a specified distance of the DRL's, then the DRL's must dim or extinguish when the indicator is in use... sorry but I don't know the legal distance.  The Fiesta has DRL's that dim when the indicators flash * (the lamps are in the same cluster) but the Captur doesn't as they are too far apart (DRLs are separate from the rest of the lights, and at the bottom of the front bumper by the fog lamps).  I thought that the DRLs on the Casjcow dimmed when the indicators were in use, maybe you came across a rogue Cashcow with defective lights?

* Sidelights/parking lights on the Fiesta appear to be DRLs at reduced brightness, not a separate 5W bulb.  When the indicator is in use, the DRL dims to the brightness of the "sidelight/parking light mode"


Maybe so; I'll be keeping an eye out for them now anyway!!
Frank Bullitt

As I started reading this I thought to myself 'I bet he will mentioned a Qashqai' - I had exactly the same experience last week at a mini-roundabout; they were definitely indicating but I only noticed at the last minute and as you note, the DRL's don't dim. I thought to myself 'that's fucking lethal'.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Bored.... so a Google search brings up:
Total length 116 pages;

GE.10- E/ECE/324   )_
E/ECE/TRANS/505   )

Rev.1/Add.47/Rev.6
14 June 2010
AGREEMENT CONCERNING THE ADOPTION OF UNIFORM TECHNICAL PRESCRIPTIONS FOR WHEELED VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT AND PARTS WHICH CAN BE FITTED AND/OR BE USED ON WHEELED VEHICLES AND THE CONDITIONS FOR RECIPROCAL RECOGNITION OF APPROVALS GRANTED ON THE BASIS OF THESE PRESCRIPTIONS


(Revision 2, including the amendments that entered into force on 16 October 1995)
_________
Addendum 47: Regulation No. 48
Revision 6

The relevant bits being

6.19.7.2.
If the distance between the front direction-indicator lamp and the daytime running lamp  is  equal  or  less  than  40  mm,  the  electrical connections  of  the  daytime running lamp on the relevant side of the vehicle may be such that either:  
(a) It is switched OFF; or
(b) Its luminous intensity is reduced during the entire period (both ON and OFF cycle) of activation of a front direction-indicator  lamp.
6.19.7.3.
If  a  direction-indicator  lamp  is  reciprocally  incorporated  with  a daytime  running lamp, the electrical connections of the daytime running lamp on the relevant side of the vehicle shall be such that the daytime running lamp is switched OFF during the entire period (both ON and OFF cycle) of activation of the direction-indicator lamp.


If you want to read the entire document, it's here:
http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r48r6e.pdf
Martin

The DRLs don't dim on the 535d, but the LED indicators are so bright they don't need to and it helps that they run across the top of the whole light.
Humphrey The Pug

Before DRL's you used to get this a lot when the indicators were housed within the headlamp; if the headlights were on, you couldn't see the car was indicating until the last minute; Golf IV being the worst culprit.

Same with housing rear indicators within the brake lights, upon braking you couldn't see the rear indicator properly.
PhilD

Martin wrote:
The DRLs don't dim on the 535d, but the LED indicators are so bright they don't need to and it helps that they run across the top of the whole light.


Eh? I thought BMW had stopped fitting indicators years ago?
Bob Sacamano

PhilD wrote:
Martin wrote:
The DRLs don't dim on the 535d, but the LED indicators are so bright they don't need to and it helps that they run across the top of the whole light.


Eh? I thought BMW had stopped fitting indicators years ago?


Martin always specs his cars up.
Tim

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Before DRL's you used to get this a lot when the indicators were housed within the headlamp; if the headlights were on, you couldn't see the car was indicating until the last minute; Golf IV being the worst culprit.

Same with housing rear indicators within the brake lights, upon braking you couldn't see the rear indicator properly.


I was going to say the Mk4 Golf.
If they were indicating right at a roundabout and you were waiting you couldn't tell.
JohnC

The rear indicators on some Audi's are also very poor, being a very thin slit of orange which isn't the easiest to see on a sunny day. Strangely they aren't too bad in low light.

I had noticed the Qashqai front indicators also but they aren't the only culprits
Martin

Bob Sacamano wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Martin wrote:
The DRLs don't dim on the 535d, but the LED indicators are so bright they don't need to and it helps that they run across the top of the whole light.


Eh? I thought BMW had stopped fitting indicators years ago?


Martin always specs his cars up.


Exactly.  They came with the LED headlights and if I've paid for them I'm going to use them!

They did actually come with the headlight upgrade, the LCI went back to bulbs for the indicators with Xenons, the reason BMW gave is that the LED indicators were too bright...but then fitted them to the LEDs.  Doesn't make sense, as my indicators would be sufficient to drive at speed down a country lane if they were lit constantly
PhilD

JohnC wrote:
The rear indicators on some Audi's are also very poor, being a very thin slit of orange which isn't the easiest to see on a sunny day. Strangely they aren't too bad in low light.



Eh? I thought Audi had stopped fitting indicators... etc etc

I've seen a few of the the Knight Rider indicators on lowly Audis now and I'm impressed (or my inner 7 year old is!)
Tim

PhilD wrote:

I've seen a few of the the Knight Rider indicators on lowly Audis now and I'm impressed (or my inner 7 year old is!)


Yeah but don't you find them mildly distracting?
PhilD

Tim wrote:
PhilD wrote:

I've seen a few of the the Knight Rider indicators on lowly Audis now and I'm impressed (or my inner 7 year old is!)


Yeah but don't you find them mildly distracting?


Look into my eyes...


Giant

PhilD wrote:
JohnC wrote:
The rear indicators on some Audi's are also very poor, being a very thin slit of orange which isn't the easiest to see on a sunny day. Strangely they aren't too bad in low light.



Eh? I thought Audi had stopped fitting indicators... etc etc

I've seen a few of the the Knight Rider indicators on lowly Audis now and I'm impressed (or my inner 7 year old is!)


They do look good, but it annoys me that the wing mirrors don't follow the sequence and flash at a different rate. A small detail that would make a big difference, to anal folks such as I anyway!
Roadsterstu

I wonder if having the headlights set to 'OFF' rather than 'AUTO' might have anything to do with it?
Michael

Roadsterstu wrote:
I wonder if having the headlights set to 'OFF' rather than 'AUTO' might have anything to do with it?


Why would it?
Martin

Won't the DRLs already be dimmed if the headlights are on?
Michael

Yes.
Frank Bullitt

Tim wrote:
PhilD wrote:

I've seen a few of the the Knight Rider indicators on lowly Audis now and I'm impressed (or my inner 7 year old is!)


Yeah but don't you find them mildly distracting?


I do too - they've started to annoy me.
Michael

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Tim wrote:
PhilD wrote:

I've seen a few of the the Knight Rider indicators on lowly Audis now and I'm impressed (or my inner 7 year old is!)


Yeah but don't you find them mildly distracting?


I do too - they've started to annoy me.


I think they're meant to be more noticeable but they annoy me too. It's also going to further limit Audi styling opportunities if they've got to have wide rear lights.
Martin

I liked them when I had a day with the A8 2 years ago, but also find them annoying now and they're not any more visible on the Q3 (I think that's what annoyed me recently) because they're so small.
PhilD

Michael wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
Tim wrote:
PhilD wrote:

I've seen a few of the the Knight Rider indicators on lowly Audis now and I'm impressed (or my inner 7 year old is!)


Yeah but don't you find them mildly distracting?


I do too - they've started to annoy me.


I think they're meant to be more noticeable but they annoy me too. It's also going to further limit Audi styling opportunities if they've got to have wide rear lights.


Not if they bring these back

Hound

The DRL vs indicator issue on the newer Qashqai has been discussed for a while on the Qashqai forums, and complaints sent to Nissan and the Vehicle Standard Agency, to no avail. A chap in Slovakia who is good with electronics eventually decided to develop modules which can be added to the car, and will either dim or extinguish the DRLs when indicating, depending on the installer's choice. I have them and they work fine, but they're produced at "cottage industry" level which means there're a lot of QQs out there that won't get fixed. It's a shame Nissan wasn't prepared to add a bit of code to the system and improve road safety.
Blarno

Welcome Hound
Frank Bullitt

Welcome Hound, post often - interesting there is a general acknowledgment the Qashqai's DRL's aren't as god as they ought to be.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Frank Bullitt wrote:
... a general acknowledgment the Qashqai's DRL's aren't as god as they ought to be.

You have an issue with DRL's, my son ???
PhilD

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
... a general acknowledgment the Qashqai's DRL's aren't as god as they ought to be.

You have an issue with DRL's, my son ???


His son is the light, so has no need for DRLs.
Roadsterstu

Blarno wrote:
Welcome Hound


Welcome indeed. Feel free to join in and stick around.
Hound

Thanks folks!  
Roadsterstu

Everyone needs a break from one make forums every now and again you know  
simonp

Experienced this very issue yesterday. The front indicators on the Nissan are both tiny and tucked right in the corner of the DRLs. Crazy design!
simonp

Saw another today, but at the back. It was an Audi Q5  which has those fucking stupid dynamic indicators. The brake lights are two strips of red LEDs and the indicators are a strip of orange ones sandwiched in between. As they're lit sequentially instead of all at once you can't tell they're on. I just thought they were your typical Audi driver and not indicating, but they were!

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