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Chip Butty

Driving to London

I have to be in Eagle Wharf Road (N1 7ER) for 8.30 on a Friday

I don't like trains or undergrounds or any tittage of the publicly transportable nature.

The internet says take the M40 and the A40 (no mention of hitting a congestion charging zone)

Is this a silly thing to do ? - will it be grid lock from the M40 exit all the way into London ?
gonnabuildabuggy

Re: Driving to London

Chip Butty wrote:
I have to be in Eagle Wharf Road (N1 7ER) for 8.30 on a Friday

I don't like trains or undergrounds or any tittage of the publicly transportable nature.

The internet says take the M40 and the A40 (no mention of hitting a congestion charging zone)

Is this a silly thing to do ? - will it be grid lock from the M40 exit all the way into London ?


In my experience highly likely, though Friday can often be better than the rest of the week.

Leave early or arrive late but 8.30 is the worst time of day for any commuting.

I'm not sure why you don't prefer sitting on a train to sitting in traffic but from B/ham/Coventry/Rugby then straight into Euston and a couple of stops on the tube to Angel then walk it. If you hate the tube then walk it from Euston.
Racing Teatray

There is no rhyme or reason to Fridays - sometimes they are better, sometimes worse.

The main routes into London jam up from about 7am onwards and the Westway (what the A40 becomes) and A501 are prone to heavy traffic. I have no idea whether the A40 is worse than other roads. I suspect it's all going to be pretty uniformly terrible at that hour. It could take you an hour just to get from where you come off the elevated section of the Westway (Edgware Rd) to your destination at that hour of the morning. You'd be better off coming down the night before and staying in a hotel. Or, notwithstanding what you said, taking public transport – where you are going isn't far from Kings Cross and frankly that's liable to be an infinitely less stressful and more predictable journey. Also, do you have free parking at your destination? If not, you need to factor in finding and paying for a space.

As regards the Congestion Charging Zone, provided you never turn right off the A501 as you head across town, you will not enter the CCZ – the A501 represents its northern border but is free to drive along.
Chip Butty

Quote:
I'm not sure why you don't prefer sitting on a train to sitting in traffic


Train

25 minute walk to station
80-90 minute train
xx minute walk to relevant tube
xx minutes reading the tube map
x minutes - ask tube person which tube I need
Possibly have to take more than 1 tube (repeat above)
Walk from tube to place I haven't been to before

Conservative estimate = 2.5 hours

Car

Get in car - tap post code into sat nav
Drive car
Park car
Chip Butty

In simpler terms :

I'd rather spend 3 hours in the car, instead of spending 2.5 - 3 hours dicking around on trains.

Neither is perfect - but such is life.
Big Blue

Last 5-6 miles will be up to an hour so allow for that, even on a Friday. Overall if you allow 3 hours you should be OK. If you're early grab a full English in some caff for £5-6 so take some cash with you. Going home on the other hand will be awful as it's Friday.
gonnabuildabuggy

Chip Butty wrote:

25 minute walk to station
80-90 minute train
xx minute walk to relevant tube
xx minutes reading the tube map
x minutes - ask tube person which tube I need
Possibly have to take more than 1 tube (repeat above)
Walk from tube to place I haven't been to before

Conservative estimate = 2.5 hours



Were are you starting from? I guess if you don't know London then it's different but as Racing says, factor in a large amount of faff looking for a space unless you have one reserved for you especially as everywhere now seems to be residents only.

If you are starting from Coventry then

06:31 Coventry [COV]Platform 1 AngelTube 07:53 1h 22m

Train would take you straight into Euston, it's a 2 minute walk into the Underground at the same station, then 2 stops on the tube to Angel. I'll confess the walk I can't comment on, but you might have a walk anyway if you are parking.

I love driving and I love driving in London but I never consider it unless I'm going after 10am and I have somewhere I know I can park or it's an evening or weekend (at which point resident parking slots are less of a restriction).
Nice Guy Eddie

I used to drive into Bayswater most days for a year. The A40 is one of the more preferable ways into town and Fridays are usually the least busier of the week. It was pretty bad 5 years ago so imagine its worse now. As BB says, turn up early grab a bite to eat or Coffee in a café and go from there.  The main issue is not the A40 but when you come off the Westway into Marylebone and the crawl past Euston which will take forever. I used to drop down into the congestion zone and through the west end as it was always less busy on the back roads. Doubt you want to do that but going north and around Regents Park isn't a picnic either.
gooner

Chip Butty wrote:
Quote:
I'm not sure why you don't prefer sitting on a train to sitting in traffic


Train

25 minute walk to station
80-90 minute train
xx minute walk to relevant tube
xx minutes reading the tube map
x minutes - ask tube person which tube I need
Possibly have to take more than 1 tube (repeat above)
Walk from tube to place I haven't been to before

Conservative estimate = 2.5 hours

Car

Get in car - tap post code into sat nav
Drive car
Park car


It's so cute to see someone think that driving in to London is that simple! Trust me, 25 mins using shanks pony is far less stressful than finding a parking space once you've battled your way into central London. Using the tube is a doddle and checking your destination in advance on google street view means you'll know exactly what to look for when you arrive.

If you really must drive and don't intend getting there stupid early, allow a MINIMUM 45mins extra journey time to account for traffic. I'd be tempted to arrive around 7 and go for breakfast first.
Giant

Driving into London for a timed appointment is ALWAYS stressful. You come off the M25 with 60-90 minutes in hand according to the satnav and everything's good. speed decreases exponentiallyand the time cushion shrinks. Eventually you are forced to call ahead 'I'm very sorry, I'm going to be a few minutes late, buts ok, I'm only 2miles away....'
You arrive an hour late, stressed and disheveled, blaming the bloody traffic.

I used to enjoy the bustle of driving in London when I was a white van man, the dog eat dog, surge and screech nature fine when in a worthless works van with a get in early, get the job done and get out by 2pm attitude.
Grampa

Chip Butty wrote:
Quote:
I'm not sure why you don't prefer sitting on a train to sitting in traffic


Train

25 minute walk to station
80-90 minute train
xx minute walk to relevant tube
xx minutes reading the tube map
x minutes - ask tube person which tube I need
Possibly have to take more than 1 tube (repeat above)
Walk from tube to place I haven't been to before

Conservative estimate = 2.5 hours

Car

Get in car - tap post code into sat nav
Drive car
Park car


So with you there - plus on public transport, I always seem to attract the nutter or a little old lady who wants to exchange life stories - and even the cleanest, newest public transport is filthy compared to the inside of my car.

Luckily drives into London are few and far between for me, but nearly always been better than expected and I've ended up having to kill time ahead of the meeting.

Yes you may have the stress of the chance of being late, but at least once you're in the meeting you don't get the stress of missing your ride home if it overruns.
gonnabuildabuggy

Just looked at where you live and from Warwick then yes, I'd be tempted to drive, just leave early (5am) and get a nice breakfast. Check out parking options first though to avoid wasting 30 minutes trying to find somewhere to park.
Roadsterstu

Drive into London village for an early morning meeting? You're mad. But I see your point about preferring the car.*











* I have no experience whatsoever of commuting to/from London.
Roadrunner

Can't the people in London have a day out of the smoke and come and meet you? If not, I would be booking a first class train ticket, without a single consideration of any other means of transport, but I absolutely loathe sitting in city traffic.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Oh, for goodness sake - persuade the people you're meeting to do a video conference/Skype call. Having to go there is so 1999 ...
Big Blue

Hasn't the place you're visiting got parking? My last 3 contracts have had a car park space I've used for cars and bikes.
PG

Yesterday we drove to Wimbledon for a 30 minute appointment and then to Epsom to see my Dad for lunch and then home.

We left home at 5am and arrived in Wimbledon at 10.45am, 15 minutes late.  There had been an accident on the M40. We took about the same time to get home as there had been an accident on the M6. Frankly, driving anywhere is becoming a nightmare.

So for central London I'd take the train every time. If you really, really want to drive, then you need to be parked up by a target of 7am and have a leisurely breakfast.  That way you have 90 minutes spare to sit in traffic if (when) the worst happens.
Big Blue

PG wrote:
Yesterday we drove to Wimbledon for a 30 minute appointment and then to Epsom to see my Dad for lunch and then home.


You should have popped by after lunch
Chip Butty

Quote:
Oh, for goodness sake - persuade the people you're meeting to do a video conference/Skype call


Trust me - if I could avoid having to go anywhere near the festering boil that is London - I would.

I have to be there, in person, no objections (unless a limb falls off - which is getting more and more likely).
PhilD

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Oh, for goodness sake - persuade the people you're meeting to do a video conference/Skype call. Having to go there is so 1999 ...


All the way from Coventry to London?  


PG

Big Blue wrote:
PG wrote:
Yesterday we drove to Wimbledon for a 30 minute appointment and then to Epsom to see my Dad for lunch and then home.


You should have popped by after lunch


"Working from home" were you?

We had a very nice lunch at the Rubbing House on Epsom Downs. As we drove down the A24 and were a bit early for lunch, we did stop at the Queen Adelaide for a coffee, which is right in the middle of the Kingston Road bad-lands.
PhilD

Roadrunner wrote:
If not, I would be booking a first class train ticket, .


This. It's going to be a nice train from the midlands, not some Southern Rail hell hole. St Pancs/Kings Cross are both very nice places now (is that the route?). Your tube journey will be brief.

As soon as your meeting is over get you colleagues/team to take you for a drink. The whole point of going in person is to do the human stuff, good and bad. Don't just do the bad. Plenty of nice places where you are going.Then enjoy a glass or two of vino on the train home - it's Friday and the weekend after all.
Blarno

Public transport, especially in London, is filled with dickheads, dregs and general scrotters. I don't envy your choice one bit.
Bob Sacamano

Blarno wrote:
Public transport, especially in London, is filled with dickheads, dregs and general scrotters. I don't envy your choice one bit.


I don't mind public transport. I fit right in.
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Blarno wrote:
Public transport, especially in London, is filled with dickheads, dregs and general scrotters. I don't envy your choice one bit.


I don't mind public transport. I fit right in.


Blarno is right though Bob, it's a real problem here in London, but it's not like we can just ban all you northerners is it?
Blarno

Why not, we're easy to spot? We're the friendly ones.
Chip Butty

Leam to Marylovesbone with a taxi each end is currently winning out.
Bob Sacamano

Blarno wrote:
Why not, we're easy to spot? We're the friendly ones.


It is funny when you just start talking to stranger in London and watch the look of horror and then panic sweep across their face as they struggle to regain their composure in a situation they're unfamiliar with.
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Blarno wrote:
Why not, we're easy to spot? We're the friendly ones.


It is funny when you just start talking to stranger in London and watch the look of horror and then panic sweep across their face as they struggle to regain their composure in a situation they're unfamiliar with.


Grampa wrote:
So with you there - plus on public transport, I always seem to attract the nutter or a little old lady who wants to exchange life stories
.
Racing Teatray

Chip Butty wrote:
Leam to Marylovesbone with a taxi each end is currently winning out.


Translation!?!

(for the learn bit).

London traffic has been particularly awful of late - guess it's the Christmas shoppers starting to ramp up. I had to drive over from Fulham to Mayfair on Sunday afternoon to pick up a wedding present for a friend, and really had to use every ounce of local knowledge of the back routes in order to get there before the shop closed. Otherwise I think I'd still be stuck there. Every main route from Chelsea to Marble Arch was just jammed solid in all directions.
Roadrunner

Racing Teatray wrote:
Chip Butty wrote:
Leam to Marylovesbone with a taxi each end is currently winning out.


Translation!?!

(for the learn bit).

.


Royal Leamington Spa
Racing Teatray

Ah so sense has wisely prevailed over inner Clarkson...
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

PhilD wrote:
As soon as your meeting is over get you colleagues/team to take you for a drink. The whole point of going in person is to do the human stuff, good and bad. Don't just do the bad. Plenty of nice places where you are going.Then enjoy a glass or two of vino on the train home - it's Friday and the weekend after all.

This, 1000 times. If you really have to be there in person, you should at least be able to get drunk.

Completely at a tangent, anyone discussed flying as an alternative?
Big Blue

PG wrote:


We had a very nice lunch at the Rubbing House on Epsom Downs. As we drove down the A24 and were a bit early for lunch, we did stop at the Queen Adelaide for a coffee, which is right in the middle of the Kingston Road bad-lands.


I'm well aware of the Addie: I learned to change bicycle gears in the car park that is now a Travel Lodge. I can still see my dad riding round showing me how a derailleur gear works. I used to go to Saturday morning pictures at the cinema that is now flats by the railway bridge, and indeed the cinema manager was a girls at school's dad and it (and her house) are immortalised in the "Comic Strip Presents..... Dirty Movie".
Grampa

PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Blarno wrote:
Why not, we're easy to spot? We're the friendly ones.


It is funny when you just start talking to stranger in London and watch the look of horror and then panic sweep across their face as they struggle to regain their composure in a situation they're unfamiliar with.


Grampa wrote:
So with you there - plus on public transport, I always seem to attract the nutter or a little old lady who wants to exchange life stories
.


Last time I was in London - I met a publisher (we'd both met at the same client) - we walked back to my car so I could give him a lift back to the train station.  There was a road sweeper just working past my car - he said something like 'nice car' and we struck up a bit of a conversation.  The look on my colleagues face was 'you're laughing and joking with the road sweeper?'  - the difference between someone who lives in a small town and someone who's more used to city life I guess.
Boxer6

Grampa wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Blarno wrote:
Why not, we're easy to spot? We're the friendly ones.


It is funny when you just start talking to stranger in London and watch the look of horror and then panic sweep across their face as they struggle to regain their composure in a situation they're unfamiliar with.


Grampa wrote:
So with you there - plus on public transport, I always seem to attract the nutter or a little old lady who wants to exchange life stories
.


Last time I was in London - I met a publisher (we'd both met at the same client) - we walked back to my car so I could give him a lift back to the train station.  There was a road sweeper just working past my car - he said something like 'nice car' and we struck up a bit of a conversation.  The look on my colleagues face was 'you're laughing and joking with the road sweeper?'  - the difference between someone who lives in a small town and someone who's more used to city life I guess.


More the difference between a pleasant, chatty person and a pretentious git, surely?  

(That comparison was far from my first choice incidentally - thought a degree of moderation was required!)
PhilD

Boxer6 wrote:
Grampa wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Blarno wrote:
Why not, we're easy to spot? We're the friendly ones.


It is funny when you just start talking to stranger in London and watch the look of horror and then panic sweep across their face as they struggle to regain their composure in a situation they're unfamiliar with.


Grampa wrote:
So with you there - plus on public transport, I always seem to attract the nutter or a little old lady who wants to exchange life stories
.


Last time I was in London - I met a publisher (we'd both met at the same client) - we walked back to my car so I could give him a lift back to the train station.  There was a road sweeper just working past my car - he said something like 'nice car' and we struck up a bit of a conversation.  The look on my colleagues face was 'you're laughing and joking with the road sweeper?'  - the difference between someone who lives in a small town and someone who's more used to city life I guess.


More the difference between a pleasant, chatty person and a pretentious git, surely?  

(That comparison was far from my first choice incidentally - thought a degree of moderation was required!)


Completely.
Roadsterstu

The big question now is, did CB survive?
Grampa

Boxer6 wrote:
Grampa wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Blarno wrote:
Why not, we're easy to spot? We're the friendly ones.


It is funny when you just start talking to stranger in London and watch the look of horror and then panic sweep across their face as they struggle to regain their composure in a situation they're unfamiliar with.


Grampa wrote:
So with you there - plus on public transport, I always seem to attract the nutter or a little old lady who wants to exchange life stories
.


Last time I was in London - I met a publisher (we'd both met at the same client) - we walked back to my car so I could give him a lift back to the train station.  There was a road sweeper just working past my car - he said something like 'nice car' and we struck up a bit of a conversation.  The look on my colleagues face was 'you're laughing and joking with the road sweeper?'  - the difference between someone who lives in a small town and someone who's more used to city life I guess.


More the difference between a pleasant, chatty person and a pretentious git, surely?  

(That comparison was far from my first choice incidentally - thought a degree of moderation was required!)


Could be, but in a small town, you're far more likely to know everyone no matter what job they so (our local roadsweeper is a girl I was in school with for instance), so very few people are judged by what they do and where they came from and people are far more likely to socialise with people outside their work/career circle etc.  I think the guy I was with was really only used to mixing with people his career brings him into contact with.
Racing Teatray

I also think that's personality rather than locale. I am more than capable of chatting to just about anyone friendly.
Big Blue

Racing Teatray wrote:
I also think that's personality rather than locale. I am more than capable of chatting to just about anyone friendly.


Ergo you are mistaken for that loon occasionally.

I find it more disconcerting that when I talk to a builder I talk like Danny Dyer but when I talk to a senior Civil Servant I sound like Sir Humphrey Appleby. I don't intend this at all: it just happens.
TreVoR

Big Blue wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
I also think that's personality rather than locale. I am more than capable of chatting to just about anyone friendly.


Ergo you are mistaken for that loon occasionally.

I find it more disconcerting that when I talk to a builder I talk like Danny Dyer but when I talk to a senior Civil Servant I sound like Sir Humphrey Appleby. I don't intend this at all: it just happens.


I used to do this unintentionally. I was talking to the compère of a club on the phone trying to book a band and reverted to Geordie, much to the amusement of my then boss, the son of a hereditary peer with accent to match!

I was taught standard English at school.
Michael

Big Blue wrote:


I find it more disconcerting that when I talk to a builder I talk like Danny Dyer but when I talk to a senior Civil Servant I sound like Sir Humphrey Appleby. I don't intend this at all: it just happens.


I'm a complete mimic and I don't realise I'm doing it. An Irish friend of louisa's thought I was taking the piss by emulating her accent. In fairness now I do.
gooner

Michael wrote:
Big Blue wrote:


I find it more disconcerting that when I talk to a builder I talk like Danny Dyer but when I talk to a senior Civil Servant I sound like Sir Humphrey Appleby. I don't intend this at all: it just happens.


I'm a complete mimic and I don't realise I'm doing it. An Irish friend of louisa's thought I was taking the piss by emulating her accent. In fairness now I do.


I did the same when I worked with a Greek guy at a restaurant in my youth. If we chatted for a long period I noticed I slowly started to mimic his Greek accent. It was rather disconcerting at the time but I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Boxer6

When I used to visit my cousins in Portishead as a kid, I would be speaking in fluent scrumpy dialect within seconds!

Likewise, I got in terrible trouble as a young squaddie when I spoke in the various dialects of my platoon-mates; to the point I nearly got a severe kicking from one particularly unimpressed Taff. Luckily, I was a dirtier fighter than him!

Aaahh . . .  memories!!    
Blarno

Mimickry is my favourite thing to do, I'm pretty good at impressions.

However, I don't tend to find myself copying people's accents when talking, I just carry on as me.
gooner

Chip Butty either drove and had an utter nightmare and doesn't want us to say we told him so or else he's still stuck in traffic trying to get back to the M25!
PhilD

gooner wrote:
Chip Butty either drove and had an utter nightmare and doesn't want us to say we told him so or else he's still stuck in traffic trying to get back to the M25!


Murdered to death.
gonnabuildabuggy

Racing Teatray wrote:
I also think that's personality rather than locale. I am more than capable of chatting to just about anyone friendly.


Same. We are all people, no idea why some think they are superior to others.
Big Blue

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
I also think that's personality rather than locale. I am more than capable of chatting to just about anyone friendly.


Same. We are all people, no idea why some think they are superior to others.


Have you never read Mr Uppity?
Twelfth Monkey

Big Blue wrote:

Have you never read Mr Uppity?


Is that Lewis Hamilton's biography?
PG

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Big Blue wrote:

Have you never read Mr Uppity?


Is that Lewis Hamilton's biography?
 
Chip Butty

Quote:
Chip Butty either drove and had an utter nightmare and doesn't want us to say we told him so or else he's still stuck in traffic trying to get back to the M25!


I haven't been yet...and I agree after taking forum advice that my best bet was Leamington to Marylebone.
Big Blue

We expect a thread on the trials and tribulations of rail travel in the rush hour, ending in "never fucking again" or "how do these twats survive doing this shit daily?"

Racing Teatray

Big Blue wrote:
We expect a thread on the trials and tribulations of rail travel in the rush hour, ending in "never fucking again" [...]?"



Swearing off sex seems an extreme reaction to train travel...
Bob Sacamano

Racing Teatray wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
We expect a thread on the trials and tribulations of rail travel in the rush hour, ending in "never fucking again" [...]?"



Swearing off sex seems an extreme reaction to train travel...


Possibly wise to refrain from it in the rush hour though. Maybe save it for a quiet Sunday evening to one of the more outlying stations.
PhilD

Racing Teatray wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
We expect a thread on the trials and tribulations of rail travel in the rush hour, ending in "never fucking again" [...]?"



Swearing off sex seems an extreme reaction to train travel...


depends if the commute is to earn enough £££ to look after the family.
Chip Butty

Oh the train, wonderous miracle of the modern age, what a wonderfully efficient and enjoyable way to travel.

Said no one.... fucking.....ever.

So my day went like this :

6.05 taxi to station

6.41 to Marylebone – arrived 8.05

Taxi to office – 20 minutes.

Working day

Leave at 4.40pm – 20 minute walk to Kings Cross to get a taxi

Arrive at Marylebone at 5.20pm - however the 17.47 eventually turned up at 18.22 and then for reasons unknown, the journey that should have taken 1 hour 20 minutes actually took 1 hour 45 minutes...to go about 80 miles ?

Get off train at 8.05pm

35 minute walk home.

So that was 6.5 hours travelling there and back....at a cost of £110 (£70 train + 40 quids worth of taxis).

In summary – fuck the train, next time I’m driving.
Racing Teatray

Inevitable. But it will be shit too if you drive in on a Friday (or really any day of the week). And you might miss your meeting.

By the way, did you take black cabs? No-one does that. Uber is the only answer. A third of the price and it comes to you in 2-3 minutes.
Chip Butty

Black cabs can use the bus lanes - but Uber can't (or so I was told). Made a big difference on both trips and I wasn't paying.

The locals I met with said that they drive in sometimes (it's not as bad as everyone says).

I still think avoiding London is the wisest strategy in future.
DetmoldDick

I think I would have driven down the night before and stayed in a hotel, especially if someone else was paying.
PhilD

No drinks?
Racing Teatray

Chip Butty wrote:
Black cabs can use the bus lanes - but Uber can't (or so I was told). Made a big difference on both trips and I wasn't paying.

The locals I met with said that they drive in sometimes (it's not as bad as everyone says).

I still think avoiding London is the wisest strategy in future.


Being a local is different. As is being familiar with the route. I know many ways to get from A-B in London and so drive around it frequently, but I can still get caught out occasionally.

Uber can't use the bus lanes but equally you don't need to walk 20 mins to find one.
Alf McQueef

From my direction (Winchester) to the office near Euston Station, M3/M25/M40 is the standard recommended pre-traffic route, and I did used to drive it quite often for sales meetings in the office, aiming to get there for 0930 usually. It sucked. Even with our excellent HD traffic (which saw me take a different route in most times!), the last 5-10 miles were always excruciating, and that was if I had not already lost the will to live on the M3 or M25. Friday mornings are generally a lot better in and within the M25 - Friday afternoons (and increasingly Thursdays) are absolutely shocking. A journey which is slated to be 1hr 20 mins without traffic took me anywhere from 2 to 3 hours in practice, and while I love our HD traffic dearly, London is the one place it struggles with in rush hour - simply too much traffic and too many restrictions like the congestion zone. Its still worth it for keeping you out of the worst of it though, as I was reminded by a 5 hour delay on the M3 the other day! Always use HD traffic if you have it!

I've played with all the options for getting to our office and now drive to Basingstoke to catch the train - its stupidly expensive but I claim all travel back. Winchester would seem more logical but it's next to impossible to park even remotely near the station these days from about 7 onwards - that's yet another joy of rail travel, how are you supposed to get to the station? The ticket is more than £60 for a one hour journey and usually standing only. Not a bargain!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Alf McQueef wrote:

I've played with all the options for getting to our office and now drive to Basingstoke to catch the train - its stupidly expensive but.....

Couldn't you get a lift or a taxi/bus to Winchester Station?

Also I agree about the train fare costs, why is it so ludicrously expensive to catch a train to London in the early morning, compared to after 10am?
From where I live, Farnborough Main is the best local station for going by train to London (Winchester is the other way and only about 30 minutes away) but the car park does fill up very early. We used to have the option of parking in Farnborough town centre for just over £3 all day and walking about 10 minutes to the train station - I've done it a few times - but they have apparently banned all parking over 4 hours duration unless you park much, much further away (like Aldershot). At least on a Saturday it's just £2 to park all day at the station and there is usually loads of space

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