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PG

Downsizing engines gone mad, the Lexus way

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-revi...t-drives/2016-lexus-rx200t-review

Can't afford the RX450h? No problem, for £48,995 you can get the Lexus RX200t F Sport. And the 200 stands for a turbocharged 4 pot petrol.

0-60 is 9.5 seconds. Yes, 9.5 seconds. Very "Sport". And goodness knows how how bad the fuel economy will be towing along 2 tonnes.

That's just comical. Utterly comical.

Has nobody from Lexus ever heard of the Land Rover Discovery 2.0Ti? They should have looked it up and then just said no.....
Frank Bullitt

Wasn't it the Discovery MPi?

I think this is the same car that CAR have on long term test and they aren't impressed.
Michael

I think the Discovery MPI was a 1.8.
TreVoR

It was 1994cc.  Just crept under the 2.0 litre tax penalty for company car drivers at the time, which was the point.
Roadsterstu

Michael wrote:
I think the Discovery MPI was a 1.8.


Good lord, could you imagine that?
Frank Bullitt

TreVoR wrote:
It was 1994cc. †Just crept under the 2.0 litre tax penalty for company car drivers at the time, which was the point.


Yes, I think the confusion is that it was the T-series engine Rover produced that in N/A form powered 220, 420 and 820 models plus turbocharged versions of the same. The 620 had a Hinda engine although the turbo T-series engine was in the 620ti!

On the Lexus Stephen Bayley makes a comment along the lines of 'there is lots that is original and lots that is good about the design, sadly none of the original bits are good' or something like that, which sums it up nicely. It's a dogs breakfast.
Martin

It sounds as awful as it looks, but unlike the Discovery, at least it will have some torque.
PG

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Wasn't it the Discovery MPi?.


You're quite right. But even thopug it was the Mpi, it used the T series engine, but non-turbo. A heady 136bhp and 136 torques.

"Several variants of the T16 were produced for various models, but all had the same displacement. The version used by Land Rover, almost exclusively in early Discovery models, produced 136 horsepower (101 kW). It was included in the product lineup entirely as a European tax beater, but the engine wasn't really up to the job of lugging 2 tonnes of metal off-road, or towing large loads on-road, since the headline horsepower figures were only supplied at high revs. Automatic gearbox equipped versions were particularly gutless in comparison with the other engine choices available, and so this engine option was soon dropped. The engine and it's turbocharged variants saw widespread and much better suited use in Rover cars of the time.

Land Rover also fitted the Rover T16 engine to a special batch of Defenders built for the Italian Carabinieri, which operated an exclusively petrol-powered vehicle fleet.



The Rover 620Ti (which had the turbo T series as you say) has always been a guilty pleasure of mine.
http://www.pistonheads.com/regula...ures-sheds/sotw-rover-620ti/17407
Martin

0-60 in 18 seconds, so if that's the comparison, the RX does deserve its Sport badge.
Twelfth Monkey

When I had a 600 I confess I was envious of a nearby company car park, where everyone had a Turbo.
Racing Teatray

That is horrible.
Grampa

When it looks as bad as that I couldn't care less how it goes
Big Blue

What a disaster area of design.
simonp

Even Walter White's car looked better than that monstrosity!
Blarno

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
When I had a 600 I confess I was envious of a nearby company car park, where everyone had a Turbo.


I came <--> this close to buying a 600ti in 2006. Only the fact that the garage had sold it minutes before I arrived stopped me.
Chip Butty

Surprised it's official figures are so limp - it's not that heavy and those power and torque figures aren't a complete disaster.

The RRS 2.0 GTDI I had for a weekend was quicker than that, with similar outputs but more weight.
gooner

Regardless of your opinion on the current Lexus styling (challenging is probably the best word to describe it!) a 2.0 turbo is hardly a new thing in a car that size. The current Merc ML gets a 4 pot diesel these days and large estates such as the 5 series and A6 have had 2.0 engines for years. And don't forget that the 1.2 tonne Golf, Focus and Astra can all now be had with 1.0 3 pots, all developing over 100bhp.

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