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Chip Butty

Don't meet your heros - they are rusty

Well, looking for an interesting weekend car has been quite a depressing experience so far.

I've been looking for nice X308 XJRs or E39 M5s - don't really need to explain why I would hope.

To date, I have mostly noted :

- There aren't many of the above around, rather slim pickings

- Most people are wrapped up in the classic car bubble, so pricing is ludicrous and accompanied by words such as " fast appreciating classic ", and other bull shit.

- Everything is rusty - to the extent that I am really going off the idea.

The XJR below - looks ok in the pictures, but there is rust bubbling in the corner of every arch, all of the window trims are crusty and there are random rust blisters in the engine bay. It drives alright, but 390 lbs ft doesn't seem to go very far these days

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C767167

However - the rust on XJs is nothing like the rust on E39s, even the car below (which looks lovely) has rust bubbles on the passenger rear wing.

http://www.dtperformancecars.co.u...RIES-Nuneaton-Warwickshire-865690

Go on to BMW5 and the routine stories of rotten sills, rusty wings, boot lids, etc are unbelievable.

I suppose I need to remember that the youngest of each of these models has endured 15 salty British winters - but your £12k M5 will need another couple of grand chucking at it in rust repair and prevention (minimum) before you talk about anything oily deciding to have a day off.

I've seen a nicer XJR that might have some promise, but time will tell if that is what a £5k XJR looks like, or whether it's overpriced. I would take a punt at £3k.

Might start looking at M3 V8s and X150 XKRs at this rate.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

If you want a slightly different "weekend car", get yourself the most powerful version of the current Fiesta that you can find..... 125 bhp Ecoboost, 140bhp Zetec Sport, ST etc
gooner

Why get a big saloon for a weekend car, you drive one during the week? Looking at your previous convictions, I can't also help feeling that your lack of enthusiasm stems from having been there and gotten the t-shirt.

Maybe you need to look at a small sports car, not quite bargain basement MX5 but perhaps a Z4 or 350Z or something similarly interesting.
Chip Butty

Quote:
If you want a slightly different "weekend car", get yourself the most powerful version of the current Fiesta that you can find..... 125 bhp Ecoboost, 140bhp Zetec Sport, ST etc




I can never tell if you are being serious, or just massively taking the piss.

gonnabuildabuggy

Unfortunately prices (were?) rising on these models as the classic "boom" lifted anything old into it's sights.

I found myself amazed at the prices being asked for even 540i's.

I do ponder if the current economic climate might chill prices on these pseudo classics a bit, though it might go the other way with low interest rates.

Both cars were at dealers so potentially the asking is £2-3K above their true market value.

Only way I know to buy classics is stick to private ones and wait for the right one to come up where someone has really cherished it and spent accordingly.

Ideally a car which has been garaged for the majority of it's life.
Roadsterstu

gooner wrote:
Why get a big saloon for a weekend car, you drive one during the week? Looking at your previous convictions, I can't also help feeling that your lack of enthusiasm stems from having been there and gotten the t-shirt.

Maybe you need to look at a small sports car, not quite bargain basement MX5 but perhaps a Z4 or 350Z or something similarly interesting.


Get a Caterham and be done with all this titting about.
Tim

E39 M5s rust like a 1970s Lancia.  

Or a late '90s Mercedes  
Blarno

Roadsterstu wrote:
gooner wrote:
Why get a big saloon for a weekend car, you drive one during the week? Looking at your previous convictions, I can't also help feeling that your lack of enthusiasm stems from having been there and gotten the t-shirt.

Maybe you need to look at a small sports car, not quite bargain basement MX5 but perhaps a Z4 or 350Z or something similarly interesting.


Get a Caterham and be done with all this titting about.


I seem to remember our mate Chip being a larger fellow, so a Caterfield may be out of the question.

Unless he's since shredded himself down like Brad Pitt in fight club.

Big Blue

Chip Butty wrote:
Quote:
If you want a slightly different "weekend car", get yourself the most powerful version of the current Fiesta that you can find..... 125 bhp Ecoboost, 140bhp Zetec Sport, ST etc




I can never tell if you are being serious, or just massively taking the piss.



Frank Bullitt

I can't help thinking that as you drive a rapid wafty thing 5 days a week, getting something for the weekend which is a creaky version of the same has limited appeal, all be it the halo model of the range.

I still see plenty of X300's around and E39's but the latter in particular do seem to be capable of rotting.
Michael

Frank Bullitt wrote:
I can't help thinking that as you drive a rapid wafty thing 5 days a week, getting something for the weekend which is a creaky version of the same has limited appeal, all be it the halo model of the range.


If it's a car you coveted in your youth it's the one you want. Just because it's a similar format doesn't make it the same experience.
Tim

Michael wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
I can't help thinking that as you drive a rapid wafty thing 5 days a week, getting something for the weekend which is a creaky version of the same has limited appeal, all be it the halo model of the range.


If it's a car you coveted in your youth it's the one you want. Just because it's a similar format doesn't make it the same experience.


Something like the E39 M5 is completely different from a fast wafty modern equivalent.
There's no auto option, it has a sleepy traction control system with an on-off button, there's no fancy damper settings or throttle maps and it's quite 'talkative'.
Also if you're a Queef it's meant to be VERY driftable.

It also has the advantage that the prices are going up so as long as you don't expect to instantly double your money then if you buy a decent one with your eyes open you're unlikely to lose out.
PhilD

Michael wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
I can't help thinking that as you drive a rapid wafty thing 5 days a week, getting something for the weekend which is a creaky version of the same has limited appeal, all be it the halo model of the range.


If it's a car you coveted in your youth it's the one you want. Just because it's a similar format doesn't make it the same experience.


It's an interesting thought though. Will it be the experience you want/hoped it to be if your day to day wheels are pretty much the modern equivalent? What made you covet it in the first place?
Chip Butty

I gave up salad dodging a good while ago now. Any issues fitting into a car relate to my height and general beef cakery -  not any residual chubberism.

I should clarify, what I am looking for is not just a weekend car. I don't commute for work (aside from the occasional work trip to a different site), so my car could possibly be better utilised elsewhere whilst I have something silly that makes V8 love noises.
Roadsterstu

I will modify my suggestion slightly then. A Westfield Seight. Probably still nowhere near what you want but it is a V8...
JohnC

C63 or E63. Practical, reliable and growly.
Sav

E92 M3. More than practical enough to be more than a weekend toy, and there are plenty still in good condition. Get the M Performance Exhaust system fitted and you’ll have all the lovely V8 noises one could want.
gonnabuildabuggy

JohnC wrote:
C63 or E63. Practical, reliable and growly.


Good call.

One thing I didn't suggest in my other post is the "sod the SUV idea, buy a fast estate" option for FRV replacement.

That sees a shortlist of an C63 or S4 V8 options.
Chip Butty

I am not interested in any of the obvious fast German tackle - they are mainly driven by bell ends.

The E39 M5 has fallen out of favour with team helmet, the amount of love, attention and patience they are starting to need means they are now owned by a completely different demographic.

Rude boys with some cash on the hip (or wannabees who still live with their mums and like a bit of finance) are buying younger generation models that require less dedication and have more " image ".

I am a Jag man to the core and that's the way this sheeeeet is going down.
gonnabuildabuggy

Chip Butty wrote:
I am not interested in any of the obvious fast German tackle - they are mainly driven by bell ends.

The E39 M5 has fallen out of favour with team helmet, the amount of love, attention and patience they are starting to need means they are now owned by a completely different demographic.


Agree, seem to be seeing this.

I'm slightly annoyed with myself I didn't buy an M5 3 yrs ago when I bought the E500 as that was about their low point market wise. However it was the running costs and fuel economy that put me off then.

Even 540i's seem to be rising substantially price wise.

The trick to buying now is to get one that's passed through a decent owners hands and has had all the important stuff done.
Roadsterstu

Would it have to be an XJ or would something like a nicely cherished XJS suit?
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Chip Butty wrote:

I am a Jag man to the core and that's the way this sheeeeet is going down.

Try this:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...=estate&logcode=p&adPos=2
Tim

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
I'm slightly annoyed with myself I didn't buy an M5 3 yrs ago when I bought the E500 as that was about their low point market wise. However it was the running costs and fuel economy that put me off then.


At the risk of incurring the law of sod onto myself (MOT due in 3 weeks time) do you want me to give you a list of costs that mine has incurred these last 9 years to make you kick yourself?  

Fuel economy has been around 25mpg in normal use although obviously you can make a sizeable dent in that if you want subject to actually being able to use all the performance beyond short bursts, of course.
gonnabuildabuggy

Not sure if you are implying it's a long or short list.

The X5 was also a possibility and you've convinced me that was a dodged bullet.

On various other forums I've come across a fair few M5 owners and their tales of diff's etc has been enough to put me off for a while.

I think the difference is I knew the E500 had a risk of not being a keeper (see other thread for reasons!), investing heavily to keep a car is fine. To invest and then sell is financial recklessness.

buying from Reckless people is the solution  
Chip Butty

The regularity of use puts curios like XJS, XJ series 2, series 3 and XJ40 on the subs bench

I don't like 1st gen XK (X100) or anything with " type " in the name - unless prefixed by an " F ".

XJs post X308 are too long (won't fit in the garage) and I don't want to get number bummed by depreciation. Which means late XFRs are not in scope (yet), but an early X150 5.0 nat asp might be.

I need to tick the X308 XJR box though - so as soon as a tidy one pops up that hasn't been priced by chancers - it's mine.
Tim

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Not sure if you are implying it's a long or short list.

The X5 was also a possibility and you've convinced me that was a dodged bullet.

On various other forums I've come across a fair few M5 owners and their tales of diff's etc has been enough to put me off for a while.

I think the difference is I knew the E500 had a risk of not being a keeper (see other thread for reasons!), investing heavily to keep a car is fine. To invest and then sell is financial recklessness.

buying from Reckless people is the solution  


So far it's been a short list with the biggest expense by far being tyres, followed by oil changes at 8.5 litres per time of Mobil's finest snake oil.
I'm not sure how long that will last but after 9 years I won't complain.
Thomas Magman

Roadsterstu wrote:
I will modify my suggestion slightly then. A Westfield Seight. Probably still nowhere near what you want but it is a V8...




That is certainly different to a Jag!

......be cosseted......or be killed  
Roadsterstu

Chip Butty wrote:
The regularity of use puts curios like XJS, XJ series 2, series 3 and XJ40 on the subs bench

I don't like 1st gen XK (X100) or anything with " type " in the name - unless prefixed by an " F ".

XJs post X308 are too long (won't fit in the garage) and I don't want to get number bummed by depreciation. Which means late XFRs are not in scope (yet), but an early X150 5.0 nat asp might be.

I need to tick the X308 XJR box though - so as soon as a tidy one pops up that hasn't been priced by chancers - it's mine.


Sounds like the decision is made. Not a bad one, either.
Tim

Tim wrote:
At the risk of incurring the law of sod onto myself (MOT due in 3 weeks time) .........


Wednesday evening, going home, stone chip.

That'll be a new windscreen please (only £75 but still.)
Roadsterstu

Tim wrote:
Tim wrote:
At the risk of incurring the law of sod onto myself (MOT due in 3 weeks time) .........


Wednesday evening, going home, stone chip.

That'll be a new windscreen please (only £75 but still.)


You Murray'd it.
Tim



Actually a new screen is quite welcome, the current one is the original so at 15 years old its a bit scruffy!
Blarno

What about a Z4M?

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