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Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Doesn't look like a Lexus

At least, not from the side. Interesting proportions, and I like the interior





JohnC

That looks like a very comfortable place to spend time with a seriously sumptuous interior. Not sure about the handlebar type controls or how you would use them whilst driving but I really like the look of that - a lot more than an S Class/7 series.
Frank Bullitt

That bloody grill, turned up to 11...

Interior looks nice.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

The grille turned up to 11 works for me; it's the 8/10 versions on facelifted models that really jars.
Bob Sacamano

First Lexus I've seen where the spindle grille really works. Makes the 7 series and S Class look very dated.
Blarno

Nope, not feeling that at all. What's with those rotary adjusters sticking out like Shrek's ears? Not seen that since the 80s.
PhilD

Got any bigger pictures?
Twelfth Monkey

Nice inside, not a fan of the grille - looks like it's trying too hard to have a identity, which is, alas, a Lexus trait at the moment.
Michael

That interior is impressive and does make its rivals look clumsy and dated. The details around the grill and lights I'm less keen on but they profile is spot on.
PhilD

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
looks like it's trying too hard to have a identity, which is, alas, a Lexus trait at the moment.


Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't!
Martin

I like some of it, particularly the side view and low bonnet line, but some of the details are way too fussy and ruin it for me.  Likewise the interior, a lot of it looks great, but those pods look awful / cheap.
Humphrey The Pug

Wow, I really like that, so much better looking for both the exterior and interior than any S Class, 7 Series or A8.
Racing Teatray

I was preparing to be impressed too...until I saw it from this angle:


Tim

I like the outside but the wheels are hideous.

I feel as if those types of interior will appeal to me in 20 years time.
PG

Nice side profile (and no privacy glass, well done Lexus) and an OK back end - wanky exhausts aside. And the headlights are cleaner and less fussy.  

But I still really struggle with the front grille. It looks to much like a snow plough. A bar across it that continued the bumper would be a great improvement and a slightly smaller lower section might help too.  

The interior design might be good, but the brown is a revolting colour.
Frank Bullitt

Racing Teatray wrote:
I was preparing to be impressed too...until I saw it from this angle:




I know taste is a diverse thing, but unless your a business mogul who owns a Japanese vending company that markets used school girls knickers (which I am led to relieve is a genuine business in The Land of the Rising Sun) then I've no idea why that would appeal - there are no angles from which it doesn't look like a complete and utter howler.
Blarno

I think the interior is hideous. It might be the wood.
Twelfth Monkey

The grille looks like an iPad image that someone has 'pinched' together as a joke.  And it manages something unusual as a design, in that I like it less every time I look at it.

As regards damned if you do, I am reminded of The Fast Show's Colin Hunt!
Giant

I love it, inside and out, although the front 3/4 posted by racing does have an unfortunate hint of Panamera about it, maybe that will be less apparent in the metal.

Im a big fan of Lexus' current design language as a whole, if buying on looks and interiors only Id have the IS, LS, NX and stunning LC (or whatever the super coupe is called) over the german equivalents. Even with the less successfully styled GS and RX I cant think of germans I prefer, although I do prefer the XF and FPace. Unfortunately for Lexus, Im not in their prospective buyers demographic, the only model which could feasibly be an option is the CT, which is amazingly ugly for such a bland car, and apparently not to be replaced.
Bob Sacamano

An element of good car design should be that there is a suggestion of movement in the lines, even when stationary, and I think this has it in spades. A front plate will tone down the grille somewhat. The profile is beautiful.
Michael

The profile is very nice, I think the grill will look a bit less monstrous with a UK plate over the middle of it. With the S class and 7 series being nothing special in terms of their design this does seem more unique and attractive.
BeN

That looks pretty spectacular.

I like it a lot. Can't wait to have a go in one.
Grampa

Racing Teatray wrote:
I was preparing to be impressed too...until I saw it from this angle:




Same here - I like most of the interior - the cow horn controls either side of the binnacle hood are a miss for me though - I could perhaps live with the wheels - but with a Lexus you just know as soon as you see the front it's going to be hideous!
Giant

PhilD wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
looks like it's trying too hard to have a identity, which is, alas, a Lexus trait at the moment.


Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't!

BeN

Giant wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
looks like it's trying too hard to have a identity, which is, alas, a Lexus trait at the moment.


Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't!



simonp

That is one ugly car, inside and out. Those knobs on the instrument binnacle remind me of Citroen's wacky past. The Visa had odd controls in it from memory, but I really don't comprehend why stuff has to be reinvented all the time when the current way of doing whatever those knobs do works just fine.

The only good thing I can say about this car is that it's not quite as ugly as it's retarded cousin the Mirai!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

simonp wrote:
The Visa had odd controls in it from memory.....


Yup, it certainly did:
http://betterparts.org/photo/citroen-visa-06.html
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

The comments on here make me think Lexus has been quite smart. It's a love-it-or-loathe-it car, and the love-its won't want anything else.
Nice Guy Eddie

Looks good to me but that grille might be too much. Look forward to seeing one in the metal at Geneva this year.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Looks good to me but that grille might be too much. Look forward to seeing one in the metal at Geneva this year.

Yeah, and getting up close and personal with the interior
PhilD

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Looks good to me but that grille might be too much. Look forward to seeing one in the metal at Geneva this year.

Yeah, and getting up close and personal with the interior


I think they'll kick you out for that sort of thing.
Twelfth Monkey

Giant wrote:
Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't!



That's clever, but just semantics.  It feels (to me) like it is contriving to have a personality rather than actually having one, hence my Colin Hunt reference.
Michael

Do you think the S class, 7 series have a personality?
Twelfth Monkey

Absolutely not.  But the XJ shows, to my eyes at least, that you can look suitably full of gravitas without being dull or gauche.
Michael

That probably just confirms that not everybody likes the same thing. Lexus are certainly more appealing when they aren't a Mercedes parody.
Twelfth Monkey

Those two sentences aren't entirely coherent.  They're more appealing to some when they aren't cribbing Mercedes of old, I'm sure.  But not everyone will feel that way.

I wasn't grabbed by them then or now, but I'm glad they exist as an alternative.  It's just that their current crop is ruled out (for me) on aesthetic grounds alone.
Blarno

Cars don't have personality when you really break it down. Machines can not possess human attributes.

I'm with Twelfth on this: Lexus are trying too hard. If they toned it down by about 20%, they'd have some cracking looking stuff. As it is, they have half decent shapes ruined by over-fussy details.
Martin

Michael wrote:
Do you think the S class, 7 series have a personality?


I don't, but they are great at being a large luxurious comfortable saloon that would be great to do long journeys in and I think I'm alone in this, but I like that they're relatively discreet and could be mistaken for something lower down the range.
PhilD

Blarno wrote:
Lexus are trying too hard. If they toned it down by about 20%, they'd have some cracking looking stuff. As it is, they have half decent shapes ruined by over-fussy details.


They are trying hard as they want a strong corporate look or their own. This won't be done with a few subtle design features.

The SUVs (NX and RX) have clearly set this out. This LH500 is "toned down by 20%" compared to them.
Bob Sacamano

Martin wrote:
but I like that they're relatively discreet and could be mistaken for something lower down the range.


That would definitely rule them out for me then.

Might as well buy a 5 series and stick a 7 series badge on it.
boc70

Maybe the rotary knobs are Lexus' annoying little reminder of 1980's style controls, now they've stopped using that green digital clock.
Martin

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Martin wrote:
but I like that they're relatively discreet and could be mistaken for something lower down the range.


That would definitely rule them out for me then.

Might as well buy a 5 series and stick a 7 series badge on it.


Seriously?



Only if all you're interested in is impressing the neighbours, colleagues, strangers etc.  

As long as it offers something more that you would benefit from e.g. space, comfort, toys, quality, then there is enough to justify the upgrade or the opposite if you don't want/need something bigger.  With the new 5 in its early days, a 7 would cost less per month on a pcp deal, with a better spec.
PhilD

boc70 wrote:
Maybe the rotary knobs are Lexus' annoying little reminder of 1980's style controls, now they've stopped using that green digital clock.


Racing Teatray

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Absolutely not.  But the XJ shows, to my eyes at least, that you can look suitably full of gravitas without being dull or gauche.


Not to mine. I find it a very low point in Jaguar design. The front and back are ugly and the middle simply bland. And on anything other than vast rims, it tends to look underwheeled.
Bob Sacamano

I quite like the XJ - it looks best in darker colours to hide the black C pillar treatment though.
Twelfth Monkey

Agreed.  It's ironic that its least successful design element is its most deliberate.
Giant

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Agreed.  It's ironic that its least successful design element is its most deliberate.


Is it not the bad execution rather than the design idea that is the issue?
Grampa

I like the XJ design too and also in a colour where you can see the C pillars
Roadsterstu

Well, you don't look at the mantlepiece whilst poking the fire.

I do like the interior, though.
Roadsterstu

Giant wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Agreed.  It's ironic that its least successful design element is its most deliberate.


Is it not the bad execution rather than the design idea that is the issue?


Define "bad execution".
Twelfth Monkey

Roadsterstu wrote:
Giant wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Agreed.  It's ironic that its least successful design element is its most deliberate.


Is it not the bad execution rather than the design idea that is the issue?


Define "bad execution".


I did consider replying but wasn't sure either - I presume Giant doesn't mean 'badly-built', so beyond that it's just design, I'd have thought.
JohnC

I really think Lexus have a success on their hands. Since when did a Lexus press photo get to 2 pages on here?
Twelfth Monkey

'There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about...'

Giant

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Giant wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Agreed.  It's ironic that its least successful design element is its most deliberate.


Is it not the bad execution rather than the design idea that is the issue?


Define "bad execution".


I did consider replying but wasn't sure either - I presume Giant doesn't mean 'badly-built', so beyond that it's just design, I'd have thought.


I remember the preview teaser images showing the chrome surround of the rear door 'floating', so I assume the intension was for it to appear that the rear windscreen wrapped around the D pillar to meet the rear door glass as one continuous 'glasshouse', which in theory could've looked good. In execution, we see a piece of glossy black plastic with incongruous lines top and bottom that neither appears to be part of the body nor the glass.

I imagine the original design looked great, but engineering practicalities and budgetary constraints meant that (subjectively) the execution wasn't successful.
Twelfth Monkey

Pesky realities, eh?  If I had one it would have to be in a colour that hid this feature.  I didn't really like the XJ at all at launch, but it's really grown on me.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

PhilD wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Looks good to me but that grille might be too much. Look forward to seeing one in the metal at Geneva this year.

Yeah, and getting up close and personal with the interior

I think they'll kick you out for that sort of thing.

BMW or Mercedes would - Lexus will be getting busy with the chamois ...
BeN

I think it just goes to show that design is always a subjective thing. You can't please all but if it gets people talking I think that's half the job done, especially for a brand like Lexus.

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