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Michael

Discovery 5

First image released:



http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...very-partially-revealed-new-image
Frank Bullitt

Isn't that a Range Rover Sport with a nappy on?

So long as they can make it reliable then it will be a success (actually they don't need to bother with the reliable bit as customers seem to come back for more anyway)
Tim

I only looked at the head-on image, Yuk!
I'm sure it'll be a lot better with a numberplate attached though
Michael

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Isn't that a Range Rover Sport with a nappy on?


The logic of writing which model it is in inch high letter across the bonnet is becoming more clear.
JohnC

Ground clearance appears adequate for speed bumps but not really very off road looking anymore.

Interesting to hear that it is just a Range Rover underneath but 4 cylinder engines make me think about the debacle Range Rover had when they first fitted diesels and they had so little power they were dangerous.
Michael

It'll have air suspension so I wouldn't be concerned about the ride height. I doubt I'd be concerned about the performance from the 4 cylinder engine either.
Bob Sacamano

I don't know whether or not its over-familiarity but that looks a bit dated now.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Tim wrote:
I only looked at the head-on image, Yuk!


+1; dreadful, unimaginative "styling"
Chip Butty

Like that - looks mean. Hopefully I can have one next to replace the Disco 4.

4 pot diesel is the same twin turbo unit announced for RRS = 240ps and 500 nm.

In theory - coupled with the substantial weight reduction, it should be at least as punchy as the outgoing Disco 4.

Main powerplant will be V6 diesel - with s/c V6 petrol for US/Asia Pac.
Tim

I clicked into the link, didn't realise there was only 1 view at present.
However, lining it up with the 4 previous ones seems a mistake as there doesn't appear to be much in common with the new one.

I would say its unfair to criticise LR for it being a bit 'samey' as VW, Audi, BMW, Merc have shown us the way with that and no matter how much people like me (us?) whinge about it their sales don't appear to be hampered - the average consumers just want the badge and will take it in whatever size they can afford.
PhilD

Tim wrote:


I would say its unfair to criticise LR for it being a bit 'samey' as VW, Audi, BMW, Merc have shown us the way with that


Maybe, but the difference is that Land Rover had two distinct model lines in LR and RR which I quite liked. The current Disco is also a superb piece of design, where as this looks lazy and uninspired.
gonnabuildabuggy

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Isn't that a Range Rover Sport with a nappy on?

So long as they can make it reliable then it will be a success (actually they don't need to bother with the reliable bit as customers seem to come back for more anyway)


Following recent events I've been reading a lot of Lexus RX owners reviews, many of who seemed to have owned a Lexus, then an RR Sport before going back to Lexus after a lot of reliability issues.
Blarno

Nope. Looks like a Tonka toy.
Bob Sacamano

I loved my Tonka toys!
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I loved my Tonka toys!


me too, I'm back in!
Racing Teatray

Michael wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
Isn't that a Range Rover Sport with a nappy on?


The logic of writing which model it is in inch high letter across the bonnet is becoming more clear.


Nicely observed!

It looks vaguely like a RR Sport that has evolved to live in shallow lakes - shades of a Dutton Surf about the front end.
Nice Guy Eddie

A poor mans Range Rover Sport which at 50k plus makes it quite a successful poor mans chariot. Begs the question, what's the point in Land Rover
Michael

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
A poor mans Range Rover Sport which at 50k plus makes it quite a successful poor mans chariot. Begs the question, what's the point in Land Rover


This should in theory be more practical although I fear luxury is more of a priority. I'm keen to see the rest of it, and I hope it's what I want it to be as I'm kind of pinning my hopes on this car.
TreVoR

If I had the money to gamble, I would be getting into a Disco 4 Landmark now.  I think the values of the Disco 4 will go up when the 5 comes out.
Nice Guy Eddie

They're very hit and miss JLR with their design

F-pace and F-Type are rather lovely but the rest is a little meh.

Big Range is nice but its looks all of its size, good interior though
Range Sport, Don't like the rear at all, looks like the back side of a boat
Evoque, has dated badly to my eyes and the hype was all very short lived.
Disco Sport looks far less interesting than a Qashqui at twice the price
XE- Boring
XF - Stretched boring
Giant

XJ?
Blarno

If my boss' wife's RRS is anything to go buy, the fit and finish is terrible for a car of such expense. The panel gaps on the boot/rear quarter are miles apart side to side.
PG

The front does not look like I expected. I expected bigger headlights to give more of a link to the Discovery 4. But that huge front bumper does give a sense of purpose. I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of it in a few leaked shots before the official release date.

I expect whilst luxurious, the interior will set it apart from the Range Rover family.  The interior of a Discovery sport is quite cleverly different to an Evoque for example.
Roadrunner

I would prefer something a bit more farmy, but it does look good. I just wonder whether this a step too far upmarket. Maybe the new DEfender replacement will come in farm and road versions to fill gap?
Martin

It no surprise it has the corporate nose / front.  It will be interesting to see what the rest and the interior look like and how LR differentiate it from the RR Sport, as it sounds like the price will be similar.
Roadsterstu

Looks like...

Roadsterstu

Roadrunner wrote:
I would prefer something a bit more farmy, but it does look good. I just wonder whether this a step too far upmarket. Maybe the new DEfender replacement will come in farm and road versions to fill gap?


This.
Frank Bullitt

JohnC wrote:
Ground clearance appears adequate for speed bumps but not really very off road looking anymore.

Interesting to hear that it is just a Range Rover underneath but 4 cylinder engines make me think about the debacle Range Rover had when they first fitted diesels and they had so little power they were dangerous.


I don't know, many people will have fond memories of Disco 200 and 300Tdi's not to mention the 2.0MPi petrol, so it's going back to its roots!
Michael

Frank Bullitt wrote:


I don't know, many people will have fond memories of Disco 200 and 300Tdi's not to mention the 2.0MPi petrol, so it's going back to its roots!


You're right, actually. Like the original it's based on a Range Rover. I wonder if the press will play 'spot the part' at the launch. Door handles from an Allegro, rear lights off a Maestro van etc.
Grampa

I think it looks as though it will carry on with LR being far and away the best looking off roaders and look forward to seeing the rest of it.

If for some strange reason I was ever forced to have a 4x4 and was given the money for one, a Land/Range Rover would be the only make I could consider.

It's the only 4x4 I could walk up to without having to avert my eyes.

(Exception made for Kia Sportage)
gonnabuildabuggy

Frank Bullitt wrote:
I don't know, many people will have fond memories of Disco 200 and 300Tdi's not to mention the 2.0MPi petrol, so it's going back to its roots!


An employer had a 2.0MPi as a pool car (as the MD fancied having access to one) and it was awful. The only car I've ever driven that could only manage 70mph up hill (Chicheley Hill/Newport Pagnell bypass) for those who know it).

Grampa wrote:
I think it looks as though it will carry on with LR being far and away the best looking off roaders and look forward to seeing the rest of it.

If for some strange reason I was ever forced to have a 4x4 and was given the money for one, a Land/Range Rover would be the only make I could consider.

It's the only 4x4 I could walk up to without having to avert my eyes.

(Exception made for Kia Sportage)


I'd love one but tales of unreliability, and massive bills have put me right off.

The RR Sport has a problem with the brake lines which involves chassis removal, so you can imagine the bill on that.
PG

Roadsterstu wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
I would prefer something a bit more farmy, but it does look good. I just wonder whether this a step too far upmarket. Maybe the new DEfender replacement will come in farm and road versions to fill gap?


This.


Indeed this. I am really looking forward to seeing what the new Defender family looks like. Hopefully like a modernised Discovery 3.
Michael

PG wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
I would prefer something a bit more farmy, but it does look good. I just wonder whether this a step too far upmarket. Maybe the new DEfender replacement will come in farm and road versions to fill gap?


This.


Indeed this. I am really looking forward to seeing what the new Defender family looks like. Hopefully like a modernised Discovery 3.


I'm not convinced it isn't going to be a lifestyle vehicle with as much leather as anything else in their range. I'd be amazed if the prices start below £35k.
Tim

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:


The RR Sport has a problem with the brake lines which involves chassis removal, so you can imagine the bill on that.


I think you'd be surprised how quickly the body comes off the chassis, there are only about 8 bolts although you have lots of other bits too.
tali

Blarno wrote:
If my boss' wife's RRS is anything to go buy, the fit and finish is terrible for a car of such expense. The panel gaps on the boot/rear quarter are miles apart side to side.



Quite normal then for a RR  
Michael

Oh no! In an appalling 'error' images of the new Discovery have 'accidentally' been put up on a website. Fortunately they only tease out a bit more information and don't give the full picture (what luck!)



http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...7-land-rover-discovery-first-pics
PhilD

It was a sad day when the alpine windows became fake and now this doesn't even pretend.
Frank Bullitt

Shucks, the 'rogue insider' strikes again!

Me no likey - from that angle it does look like there are Alpine Windows but they are very fake - similar to the quarterlights on the XJ.

I'd go as far to say it appears to be a dogs breakfast happened upon when a Disco Sport (sic) walloped a Range Rover Sport (sic) up the chuff at 90.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Looks like a bloated Disco Sport in the leaked photo above. I dread to think just how long and wide it is, and how much it weighs.......
Nice Guy Eddie

Why is the rear number plate not centred?
Michael

Because it's a Discovery!
Nice Guy Eddie

Ah but then its not Square either
Michael

There is that. I'll reserve judgement until I've seen one but I think I'm trying to kid myself that I'm not disappointed.
PG

I'm going to see what the full photo set looks like later.

Based on the fact that it is going to be more expensive, it'll be interesting to see how they differentiate it from the RR Sport (apart from the 7 seats v 5+2 seating).
Nice Guy Eddie

Michael wrote:
There is that. I'll reserve judgement until I've seen one but I think I'm trying to kid myself that I'm not disappointed.


TBH its probably going to be a cracking car. The Disco Sport was hailed as the best car in its class, admittedly from a rather partisan motoring press, but I can only see this giving cars like theXC90 a bit of a kicking in future reviews.
Frank Bullitt

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Michael wrote:
There is that. I'll reserve judgement until I've seen one but I think I'm trying to kid myself that I'm not disappointed.


TBH its probably going to be a cracking car. The Disco Sport was hailed as the best car in its class, admittedly from a rather partisan motoring press, but I can only see this giving cars like theXC90 a bit of a kicking in future reviews.


There is a mini group test in CAR this month and they don't seem to be impressed, probably on account of it being a reasonably basic model rather than an option-laden FG'd version like what they are used to.
PG

It's out there.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...er-discovery-revealed-ahead-paris

and on the Land Rover website -
http://www.landrover.co.uk/vehicles/all-new-discovery/models.html

Whilst the prices are eye watering in one sense, there is still £15,000 of clear water between where the new Discovery range starts (at £45k) and the RR Sport range starts.  Although a Discovery HSE (S, SE then HSE) is £57k and a RR Sport HSE (the base model) is £60k, so not so great a difference there.

But interestingly, the list price of a Discovery HSE is exactly what the list price of the outgoing Disco 4 Landmark was. So one could argue that prices have not gone up at all, although I expect discounts will go down a lot - at least for the first 12 months.
 
And having looked at the full photo set, I like this new Discovery a lot more than I thought I would based on the teaser images.  It maintains some quirky style points - like the offset number plate and the raised roof rear section.
Michael

I too like what I see. Discounts won't be an option for the foreseeable I should think.
Giant

Instant reaction based on a few promo photos, but: the styling quirks now appear to be just that, quirks for the sake of styling rather than function driven. I dont know why that should matter, but the discovery used to be function over styling, or at least function driven styling. This appears to just be a slightly awkwardly styled but slightly more practical RRS.

I'm sure it'll sell in vast numbers and hope it does well for U.K. Plc, but for all the talk of there being clear ranges of RR, Disco and eventually Defender, this and the DiscoSport don't appear different enough from the RR range and lack the rugged, low frill style (and dare I say LandRoveriness) of precious Discos and Freelanders.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

An 825 watt hi-fi sound system does seem a little excessive, as does the price of the "First Edition" version at £68,295 !
Nice Guy Eddie

I really don't like it. The offset plate is doing my eyes in. The back heavy styling looks like it will tip over if you put anything in the boot but they've solved the interior which would have put me off the old one. I don't really get why you'd have one over a Rangie Sport unless you wanted a posh MPV.
Michael

The grey one looks great and in the brochure, with roof rails I like it. Looks are obviously subjective but I'm sold, so to speak.
Chip Butty

As far as trucks go - I think it looks fantastic, particularly in the sharky grey and 22 inch silver alloy combo that is on display at the motorshow. The best bit though is the interior, it looks superb and it's massive inside.

I am struggling to think of anything remotely competitive in terms of space and ability that looks as good as this.

Picking up on some of the prior comments - the positioning of Disco 5 is perfectly logical given what is happening in LR World

The sister car to F-Pace is launched next year which will sits above Evoque and below RRS.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-...est-news-on-land-rovers-x6-rival/

RR/RRS are arguably due a facelift (hmm - I wonder what they would do with the power twins in order to keep the goose laying those golden eggs) which by also applying logic (twice in one day) would enable them to move up and away from both sister of F Pace and Disco 5.

The route is then open for a new Defender to plug gaps (utility + lifestyle)
JohnC

It always amazes me how many people are willing and able to shell out £80K on cars of this type. Will moving the RR brand even further up market not have some detrimental impact on sales (or is the weak £ making life easy for exporters?)
PhilD

Chip Butty wrote:
I think it looks fantastic. The best bit though is the interior, it looks superb.

I am struggling to think of anything remotely competitive in terms of space and ability that looks as good as this.



PR wrote:
+1


To save you the bother Piers  
Tim

It looks ok but they're in danger of doing the BMW/Audi thing of making everything look the same.

From the side view it's got a MASSIVE arse.
cbeaks1

Doing the rounds on Twitter etc.

2012 Explorer, 2017 Disco

Michael

The Discovery looks substantially better than the Explorer. Given the design language of the Land Rover range was established on the Range Rover, and previewed in the LR-X, I think they've got legitimate use of it.
Martin

It's £69,000 in my spec, which is about what I'd expect.  I like the styling right up to the back of the rear doors, then it all goes horribly wrong, at least it does in pictures.  The offset but normal size number plate is jus wrong.
Michael

It seems there is an option to have the scallop in the rear door finished in black that looks better to my eyes.
In line with the competition the prices look right.
Giant

It looks odd in the photos, appearing to have an underbite at the front, which along with the big arse make it appear isomeone has distorted it by pulling the rear spoiler backwards and upwards.
Martin

Looks pretty much like the concept, but with normal doors



But the rear end looks much better in this picture, makes the production version look really stretched.

Andy C

Saw this today .
It's huge .. Very tall and 'boxy'.  I do like it though


Chris M Wanted a V-10

Michael wrote:
The Discovery looks substantially better than the Explorer.

From those shots, I prefer the Explorer
Frank Bullitt

That number plate looks dreadful
gooner

Frank Bullitt wrote:
That number plate looks dreadful


Agree. It might make sense if it was a smaller or rectangular plate (although that would make it look like a Jap import!)
JohnC

The number plate is all wrong. The rear window on the current Disco is shaped in a way that the offset number plate looks as though it was designed that way but on this new one it looks as though it was an afterthought with nothing else in the design suggesting the plate should be off centre.

EDIT: Despite the above, over time I am sure we will get used to it!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

gooner wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
That number plate looks dreadful


Agree. It might make sense if it was a smaller .....

... such as B14RNO ???
Frank Bullitt

I can't remember ever seeing a car that reminded me of Bells Palsy, but there is always a first
Tim

The full rear view is terrible, not just for the numberplate.
All those horizontal 'styling' lines and where different bits of plastic start and stop are atrocious, although it appears to be a common styling theme across most manufacturers.

I remember that Alfa got slated for the rear styling of the 75 for exactly that reason but it turns out they were simply 30 years ahead of the game  
Blarno

Frank Bullitt wrote:
I can't remember ever seeing a car that reminded me of Bells Palsy, but there is always a first


Dr. Hfuhruhurr

There's something wrong with the side view - the ratio of window to frame in the rear doors looks a bit squiffy. It almost looks as though there's going to be a better proportioned LWB version.
Roadsterstu

Andy C wrote:
Saw this today .
It's huge .. Very tall and 'boxy'.  I do like it though




Exactly the way a Discovery should be then.

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