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PG

Currently sans XFR....

It's nearly 12 months since I got the XFR, so I'll try and do a 12 months write up. When I get it back. As right now it is at my local Jag emporium and has been there for six days.

About ten days ago, the nearside headlight stopped working  The car was due to go in for its MOT and service, so the light would be done at the same time. Xenon bulbs don't go very often, but they can fail.

Anyway, it's not the bulb. Or any serviceable part in the light. Which means a new headlight unit. The warranty covered it, so at least I would not be faced with the £800 bill.

But the unit ordered form Jaguar (using the VIN number) did not fit - different fittings to the old one apparently. Neither did the second one sent out to the dealer. Further digging by the dealer and Jag parts department (who were very confused by this time) revealed that in fact my car was  labelled as "pre production" on Jag's factory system and that the light units on these very early cars are different to the ones that are on "production" cars.  

Jaguar are now trying to source the correct spare part. If it exists.

Until then, I'm tooling about in an XE diesel. 50 mpg is a bit of a novelty. But it will soon wear off.......

Can a broken headlight unit write off a car I ask myself? I hope not.
TreVoR

That really isn't good enough from JLR.  Hope you get it back soon.
Michael

I'd be wanting to know what preproduction actually means in these circumstances and what else isn't a serviceable part.
him

I thought pre-production cars were crushed?  Or at least given to Top Gear...

Or is that an urban myth?
Martin

TreVoR wrote:
That really isn't good enough from JLR. †Hope you get it back soon.


+1
Twelfth Monkey

Fingers firmly crossed for you.

(Doesn't the N in VIN stand for number? † † I should talk - forgot the question mark just then... † )
PG

Michael wrote:
I'd be wanting to know what preproduction actually means in these circumstances and what else isn't a serviceable part.


Well, assuming they can fix this, I'm sure we'll find this out if anything else goes wrong.

But seriously, I will be asking this very question.
PG

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Fingers firmly crossed for you.

(Doesn't the N in VIN stand for number? † † I should talk - forgot the question mark just then... † )


Indeed. Perhaps a Vehicle Identification Number number should make it even more identifiable  
Big Blue

Hope it turns out alright.

I get the same thing as the VIN Number issue with the RAC Club. The C is for Club.
simonp

PIN number, PAC code, there are lots, but they're the only two I can be bothered to think of as I'm a busy boy!
JohnC

Very odd since I would have thought that a pre production car should not have made its way into the dealer network or private ownership.

Can the revised fittings be added or would that need a complete front end rebuild.

Maybe Jaguar should be coming up with a proper production replacement!
cbeaks1

I'm pretty sure they would not have been able to register it if it was pre prod in the form we think of it. Some of the early build stuff on ramp up may be tagged as '1PP' or similar as they build in low volume. These would be thoroughly inspected and small running changes may be agreed upon.
Big Blue

On the plus side, as a pre-production Jaguar does it have 15% more power and an elevated top speed, like the E-Type?
Frank Bullitt

PAT Testing

That is an arse although as BB points out, lets assume it has a chunky of extra grunt
Chip Butty

61 plate, so an early facelift car....

Do you know the build date ? - if you remember back to my 2nd XF V8 - that was a very early build (an MP1) of the facelift  (So early in fact the front bumper cut outs for the headlights were the wrong shape).
PG

Chip Butty wrote:
61 plate, so an early facelift car....

Do you know the build date ? - if you remember back to my 2nd XF V8 - that was a very early build (an MP1) of the facelift †(So early in fact the front bumper cut outs for the headlights were the wrong shape).


I don't know the build date. It was registered in November 2011.

No news from the dealer yet this morning. We shall see what happens today.
PG

It's back! The next unit fitted and all is well with the world again.

When I started it up at the dealer I left the door open and gave it a blip. Nice to hear that sound again after a week in a diesel.
Giant

PG wrote:
It's back! The next unit fitted and all is well with the world again.

When I started it up at the dealer I left the door open and gave it a blip. Nice to hear that sound again after a week in a diesel.


Did you get answers about 'pre-production'?
PG

Giant wrote:
Did you get answers about 'pre-production'?


Seems (as CB suggested), it is early production. The VIN shows it up as 2012 spec, but there were clearly some changes between the late 2011 launch early production cars and the 2102 model year.

Hopefully, now that is clear to the dealer, if anything else goes wrong, then they'll know to seek guidance from Jag on what parts to order.  

Took it out last night and the headlight works fine.
Roadsterstu

Happy days  
Twelfth Monkey

Good stuff.
Alf McQueef

That all sounds like a ball-ache! There was some confusion around parts with my 330i IIRC - it had the new N53 engine but the old appearance, registered at a time some models had the LCI appearance, and heads were scratched about it at times.

I bet it's great to have it back. Even when I've had a loan car for a day, the XFR has just felt so naughty when I got back in it. After the day in that Disco Sport aberration I posted on Facebook, that  some of you loved so much, I did about a 30m power slide (totally unintentional) while overtaking someone in a straight line on the way back home in the XFR - it was wet, but it was not even half throttle. That's fun...
Martin

An unexpected 30m power slide while overtaking in a straight line?! †

Are you sure it isn't broken? †

Seriously....I really wouldn't like that at all and am surprised traction is so poor.  I know it's a quick car, but the faster M3/M4 has had heavy criticism for what sounds like a lot less.  

As long as you enjoy it, that's all that matters.
him

Alf just applied a 'dab of oppo" and was away...  

I'm with you though, I would not like anything "unexpected" like that...
Tim

Me neither but I suspect ALF is one of those people whose first move is to switch stability control off  
Alf McQueef

I drive a considerable portion of the (non-motorway) time with the "dsc" button pressed, which is the half-off setting. However, that said, the availability of quite a lot of wheelspin with everything set as standard is a consistent source of surprise (and wonderment) to me.

It's quite well judged in that if you are cornering hard at speed and nail it, or just go for a crazy amount of throttle at any time, it cuts in immediately and you get a flashing yellow light and no slip. But if you drive hard as if it not expecting the system to save you - consciously asking for a little slip but not going mental - it rewards with quite a lot, wet or dry.

In the wet - and it was wet, cold, and very greasy for the above mentioned slide - the BMW would similarly allow a lot of slip in a straight line, and not so in cornering. Both systems well-judged, but the BMW was too restrictive with everything on, especially on winter tyres (which I'm not on yet, I'm nuking the summer rears first).

Remember that a) the XFR has crazy amounts of power/torque with zero lag, b) it has a clever diff and seems set up to use that before it uses the electronics to damp things down and c) I'm running Dunlops that came near last in terms of outright grip in Evo sports tyre tests, and are nearly dead. And d) it's me.

Its incredibly biddable though - this year I've really got used to it and have (occasionally!) found myself doing things like little oversteer slides pulling out of junctions in recent greasy conditions, even with a narrow road and parked cars on both sides. You only need about 2-3k revs and a moderate throttle opening, you just need to push the throttle quite suddenly and it slips. You do need to load it up a bit on the way into the corner and I think that is what most normal people would not do, and thus would not get the slips. Mrs ALF drives it regularly and its never even flashed a light at her, it rewards pre-planned hooning without being dangerous.

I love it - and really fear whether much else I could ever afford would be as instantly playful without pressing 50 buttons first.
PG

Alf McQueef wrote:
Mrs ALF drives it regularly and its never even flashed a light at her, it rewards pre-planned hooning without being dangerous.

I love it - and really fear whether much else I could ever afford would be as instantly playful without pressing 50 buttons first.


That's what so great about it - it really is two cars in one. As I'm no way near any kind of hand, my hooning is pretty non-existent. DSC in the half position. Fuck!! Mucho admiration for your clearly large steel balls.  
Twelfth Monkey

I was thinking about this thread last night, having had conversations with two friends, one the driver of a V8 Vantage, the other a TVR Tuscan.

The former will step out in the wet (and admittedly far from perfectly smooth) roads where he lives even with all the aids on.  The TVR is loved, but spends a lot of time being unused as it goes all axe-murderer when it's less than completely dry.
TreVoR

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I was thinking about this thread last night, having had conversations with two friends, one the driver of a V8 Vantage, the other a TVR Tuscan.

The former will step out in the wet (and admittedly far from perfectly smooth) roads where he lives even with all the aids on. †The TVR is loved, but spends a lot of time being unused as it goes all axe-murderer when it's less than completely dry.


The TVR has something wrong with it then. †The Tuscan 1 was initially a nightmare because they came from the factory very poorly set up. †TVR sorted it with the Tuscan 2. †A Tuscan is always going to be twitchy, but properly set up, they are perfectly OK.

Or your friend is a bit wet!  
Twelfth Monkey

I think it is a 1, actually.  Never been in the car with him!

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