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Martin

Compact Camera Advice

We were a little frustrated at times on holiday by Lindsay’s compact camera (Nikon), not due to the quality of the majority of the pictures (outdoors), but by the really poor indoor quality and occasionally by the time it took to fire up and then to take a second shot which meant we missed some potentially great pictures.  We decided to get a new camera at some point before our next holiday.  Nothing expensive or ‘fancy’, just a small camera that fits in the pocket easily but takes a better picture than the camera she has now and is simple to use.  Hadn’t really set a budget, as I didn’t know what the right camera would cost (and wasn’t going to buy one now!), but I guess I would have a figure of £200-250 max in mind.

Purely by chance because I was looking at something else (camera for my youngest), but when looking at a couple of review sites, I’ve spotted what I think is a bit of a bargain.

The Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ20.

I know it’s a discontinued model, but its on sale at Jessops for £149.95

I’ve read some reviews and it would seem to fit the bill, along with having a fair few more features that I expected to find / want / need.

Any views?
Boxer6

Not familiar with the '20, but I've had a TZ7 which my daughter now uses, and now use a TZ10, both of which have provided some excellent images over the past few years.

I make no secret of my fondness for Panasonic kit, as I find for my personal tastes they provide maximum VFM compared to other brands I've tried.

I think if I were you, and it's possible, I'd try out the TZ20 for speed of re-firing after shot 1, as mine is somewhat lacking in that regard. Can't complain to much about the indoor shot quality, though you do have to take a bit of care re settings etc.

Good luck!
Humphrey The Pug

We have a Panasonic TZ someting or other with a Leica lens, it's brilliant.
Martin

Thanks for the comments so far.  If it's in Jessops then that's good, because I'll be able to have a proper look at it.

According to a couple of reviews, it takes under 2 seconds from pressing the power button to taking the first shot and the time between shots is 0.3 seconds as (apparently!) it will take the next shot before its finished saving the last one to the memory card.

Sounds pretty good to me.  Apparently the replacement model (TZ30) has slightly better picture quality, but it would be at least 50% more expensive which is a lot for a 'holiday snaps' camera.
Humphrey The Pug

Ours is a TZ8, we've had it for a couple of year now, it replaced a Canon Ixus.

It looks a bit dated compared to what's out there now however the zoom is brilliant and the picture quality is fantastic.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

If you don't mind having last year's model, the TZ20 is a bit of a bargain.  TZ30 ups the game a little but as you say, you certainly pay for it.
Just be careful if you want to get a second battery as Panasonic have firmware encoded them, and I'm not sure that any third-party manufacturers have cracked the code.  Genuine Panasonic ones are ridiculously expensive.

Decent alternatives to the TZ20/TZ30 include a few cameras made by Fuji and Canon, but you won't get anything that's as good for £150

Edit: If you want to save a further 5%, order it online for collection at store and use the promotional code UKCAMERA5
Martin

Cheers Chris.
gonnabuildabuggy

We had similar experiences, fortunately my Brother has a Canon SLR and his pics were fantastic (I'll post some when I sort them all out) and I've decided to fork out a bit more and buy a Digital SLR.

Any recommendations?

What can we get for £300-£400?

Is it worth considering second hand?
Boxer6

Oooh, toughie!

The reality is, all the major players produce good quality kit. Canon, Nikon, Olympus are probably the most well-known, but good stuff also made by Minolta, Pentax, Konica and Sony, to name but a few.

DarthBalls uses Sony Alpha cameras in his sideline wedding photo business, and he manages some truly stunning images with them. They have the added bonus of accepting older Minolta lenses too, making later glass purchases that much less painful. Plenty available on ebay for decent prices.

If you can, have a play in Jessops or a good independent shop, to see which menu system, lens build etc you prefer, then have a look around for what you like. Cameras are as bad as mobile phones for "new" kit every 5 minutes - most of it isn't needed really, and is evolution rather than revolution for the most part.

As with many things IMHO, simple is usually best.
Tim

We've got a Canon 450D but one of the reasons for that was the compatability with the lenses we'd already bought for our Canon film SLR.

I'm not a particular photography buff but Mrs Tim is pretty good and she's extremely happy with it.

It was also reasonably priced which helped  
Clunes

All the manufacturers provide pretty good solutions across the board for SLR's so I would advise you go to a shop and handle all the models in the approximate price range and see which 'fits' best (feels best in hand etc)

Also consider cost of lenses/accessories and availability second hand - Canon and Nikon have the widest install/user base - Sony are pretty good as they use the same mount as Minolta.

Consider your priorities - stills vs. video, sports vs. landscape etc - some cameras are demonstrably better in 'low light' or for sports (frames per second) - some are far better than others for video (Sony has some lead here with the SLT cameras)

Definitely consider second hand - most cameras, even at the low price point, are well built nowadays and should be able to handle 100,000+ shutter activations and most camera 'buffs' look after their kit. Second hand lenses are a very good way to buy - plenty of places apart from ebay out there that sell second hand with warranty/returns etc.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
I've decided to fork out a bit more and buy a Digital SLR.

Any recommendations?

What can we get for £300-£400?

Is it worth considering second hand?


Recommendation: Try before you buy. They'll all feel different in your hands and you need to feel confident about your purchase.  There are no bad DSLR's out there nowadays.  Have you ruled out compact system cameras (CSC's like the Olympus PEN range)? They are almost as good as DSLR's under most conditions except high frame-rate shooting and shooting fast-moving targets such as planes at airshows.
Personally I would avoid buying second-hand as technology has moved so rapidly over the past 2 years.
Start by looking on www.camerapricebuster.co.uk under
Sony, Pentax, Canon and Nikon.
Do you intend to buy many additional lenses over the next few years?
Martin

My local Jessops were showing the TZ20 in stock for collection, so I reserved one only to get a call 10 mms later to tell me they didn't have stock....

In fairness, they did respond quickly, had already checked a couple of local stores and talked about the TZ30 and another couple of options that I might like to come in and see which I though was pretty good.

I'll call a couple of other stores and if there isn't any stock, I'll put the idea on hold for now and get a TZ30 before our next holiday.
Martin

I managed to get a TZ20 this afternoon  

Only played with it for a few minutes, but so far I'd rate it as fantastic!
woof woof

I hope it gets you some good shots.

bleach27

:)

congrats to your new tz20 ^_^ have a nice shot to you and to your family!
I do have canon 600D and I have great shots there! but its more cost than TZ20 because it dslr :)..

btw.. new here.. dont know where to post my intro hihi :)
Hello everyone anyway ^_^
Big Blue

Re: :)

bleach27 wrote:
congrats to your new tz20 ^_^ have a nice shot to you and to your family!
I do have canon 600D and I have great shots there! but its more cost than TZ20 because it dslr :)..

btw.. new here.. dont know where to post my intro hihi :)
Hello everyone anyway ^_^


Try General.

Welcome.
bleach27

Thanks Big Blue ^_^
PhilD

Thread resurrection time.

Is the Panasonic DMC TZ25 a better camera than TZ20 and not as good as tz30 or does it not work like that?

Want a compact for Loraine to snap new baby. Willing to go up to £150.
PhilD

Thread resurrection time.

Is the Panasonic DMC TZ25 a better camera than TZ20 and not as good as tz30 or does it not work like that?

Want a compact for Loraine to snap new baby. Willing to go up to £150.
Martin

I think the answer is that the TZ30 replaced the TZ20 and the TZ25 replaced the TZ15.....so the order is:

TZ15
TZ25
TZ20
TZ30

For what it's worth, I'm really impressed with our TZ20, it's great for what we bought it for which was point and shoot (quick start, good auto mode, really good indoor shots etc)
Martin

Amazon have a couple of retailers offering refurbished TZ-20s, £106 with a 3 month warranty or £134 with 12 months.
PhilD

Thanks Martin. Will see if the 20 is available anywhere new. Might also look at Ixus as they are super compact avid my old APS one was great.
PhilD

Martin wrote:
I think the answer is that the TZ30 replaced the TZ20 and the TZ25 replaced the TZ15.....so the order is:

TZ15
TZ25
TZ20
TZ30

For what it's worth, I'm really impressed with our TZ20, it's great for what we bought it for which was point and shoot (quick start, good auto mode, really good indoor shots etc)


So Martin, where does the TZ27 fit in?!  Currently deciding between the 27 and Canon Ixus 510 as both on offer in Currys.
Humphrey The Pug

PhilD wrote:
Martin wrote:
I think the answer is that the TZ30 replaced the TZ20 and the TZ25 replaced the TZ15.....so the order is:

TZ15
TZ25
TZ20
TZ30

For what it's worth, I'm really impressed with our TZ20, it's great for what we bought it for which was point and shoot (quick start, good auto mode, really good indoor shots etc)


So Martin, where does the TZ27 fit in?!  Currently deciding between the 27 and Canon Ixus 510 as both on offer in Currys.


I've got a TZ28!
Martin

PhilD wrote:
Martin wrote:
I think the answer is that the TZ30 replaced the TZ20 and the TZ25 replaced the TZ15.....so the order is:

TZ15
TZ25
TZ20
TZ30

For what it's worth, I'm really impressed with our TZ20, it's great for what we bought it for which was point and shoot (quick start, good auto mode, really good indoor shots etc)


So Martin, where does the TZ27 fit in?!  Currently deciding between the 27 and Canon Ixus 510 as both on offer in Currys.


I have no idea!  
PhilD

This one is a gift for someone for which look/style is an important factor so Canon is winning out I think.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

PhilD wrote:

So Martin, where does the TZ27 fit in?!  Currently deciding between the 27 and Canon Ixus 510 as both on offer in Currys.

TZ25 was slightly reduced version of TZ30.  These have been replaced by TZ35 and TZ40.  Intermediate numbers such as TZ27 are, I believe, special versions for selected retailers.  They may be available in non-standard colours and/or have reduced functions compared to the models on which they are based.  IIRC TZ30 and TZ40, being top-of-the-range models when they were launched, have touch-sensitive rear LCDs
Martin

They do.  If you want to take a quick shot but focus on something specific, you just tap on it on the touch screen and it takes the picture.   You can swipe through pictures as well, but I don't see the point when there is a button.
Guest

Travel photographers who prefer a feature-packed camera will love the TZ20 with its GPS, long lens and HD video. Unfortunately, it doesn't produce better images than the earlier, award-winning TZ10 and the addition of the touchscreen hinders rather than helps the shooting experience.

I think its good camera !!

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