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JohnC

Cheap 330D Tourings

Motorpoint have just received a batch of SatNav equipped but otherwise pretty standard 330D Tourings. Up for between £26 and £27K.
Roadsterstu

Approximately 22-23k over my budget, sadly!
Alf McQueef

New or used? That's a good price - though it is one of the few decent beemmers also available for very good lease rates.

If you see any ridiculously cheap M235i's be sure to let me know  
Martin

It's a good price, but not significantly less than similar cars are advertised elsewhere and I assume these are ex rentals?  Upping the budget to closer to £30k would get a better spec including xenons.

Are you still dithering John?
gonnabuildabuggy

F30's?
Bob Sacamano

Us BMW owners would prefer them to be referred to as "competitively priced", rather than "cheap".
Big Blue

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Us BMW owners would prefer them to be referred to as "competitively priced", rather than "cheap".


"Cheap" makes them sound like they're close to being "bangers" in the old parlance.
JohnC

Martin wrote:

Are you still dithering John?


Of course I am. I took the wife and my daughter to the local dealer at the weekend because I need some movement on this. My wife asked the salesman why they hadn't taken the plastic off the trim inside the 420D coupe which was in the showroom. He looked a bit confused until Susan pointed out the standard blue trim in the car at which point he told her that was how it was meant to be - she then made some derogatory remark about the i3 and i8 looking as though they were also covered in that blue plastic you get on new fridges, washing machines etc. The salesman was quite quick and said "well they are electric".

End result of visit is that she prefers the GC and whatever colour I get it has to be Carbon Black. Problem is I prefer the coupe and that doesn't come in Carbon Black. We are getting closer!
Martin

Sounds like progress of sorts!  

There are some great deals in the GC and plenty of stock, the dealer in MK had 3 unregistered 640d M Sports parked outside a couple of weeks ago.   I do really like them, but the rear legroom/headroom won't be sufficient in a year or so and I banged my head getting in and out of the back!  Better than the coupe though, when the front seat is set for me there wasn't any room behind for the thinnest of legs.

The blue trim in the 3 series M Sport is terrible.
Michael

Martin wrote:
It's a good price, but not significantly less than similar cars are advertised elsewhere and I assume these are ex rentals?  Upping the budget to closer to £30k would get a better spec including xenons.:


For £30k you are nearly in a new one on the discount sites. They really do need the larger wheels and xenons to look right.
Martin

JohnC wrote:
End result of visit is that she prefers the GC and whatever colour I get it has to be Carbon Black. Problem is I prefer the coupe and that doesn't come in Carbon Black. We are getting closer!


I was really surprised to read that and have just looked at the configurator, Carbon Black is showing as an option on the coupe.
JohnC

Martin wrote:
JohnC wrote:
End result of visit is that she prefers the GC and whatever colour I get it has to be Carbon Black. Problem is I prefer the coupe and that doesn't come in Carbon Black. We are getting closer!


I was really surprised to read that and have just looked at the configurator, Carbon Black is showing as an option on the coupe.


I can assure you it wasn't there last week! The only standard Black was Sapphire Black in the coupe and Citrine Black if you want to give BMW another £895 or thereabouts.

Just twigged - I am looking at the 4 series and not the 6. I discounted the 6 coupe because of the lack of a folding rear seat and the lack of rear legroom (how a car that size can have half the rear legroom a 3 or 4 series coupe has is a mystery). The 6 GC is a lovely car but even with discount it is still c£50K and that is just getting silly (and totally beyond my wife's level of comprehension). There are some pre-registered ones around the £44K/£45K mark which is OK until you find that the finance rate is at least 10%apr which brings it pretty much back up to the price of a new one at the lower 4.9%apr.
Martin

Ahh, that makes sense.  Colour choice is pretty poor on M Sport BMWs (they're not alone), my choice on a 3/4 series would be Tanzanite blue or possibly Mineral grey, black doesn't work as well imo.  If I'd gone for a 335d Touring, it would have had to be Tanzanite with extended Merino leather.

You're right about the 'reverse tardis' effect of the 6 series, the coupe is barely shorter than a 5 series Touring (the GC is longer!), but it has less space in the back than a 1 series.

I specced a GC to my liking and got to £54k and although the thought of getting a £20k discount makes you feel a bit better, it's too much (£10k / 20% more than a similar spec 535d saloon).
Frank Bullitt

Alf McQueef wrote:
New or used? That's a good price - though it is one of the few decent beemmers also available for very good lease rates.


They'll be ex-hire cars; our DS4 was purchased by Thrifty rental at the end of June 2013 from Evans Halshaw in Sheffield - clearly the big dealer groups have deals lined-up with the hire companies to take excess stock so they can hit their targets rather than pre-registering, the car was then put through motorpoint after about 8 months, there was a choice of about 30 all with 'Y' prefix plates and, frankly, all well-priced.  If we'd gone new on a broker price it would have cost an estra £4,500.  Luckily, I found the one that had 9,000 miles on the clock and had not been serviced by 'whoever' where as most had 11,500-13,000 miles on and had been serviced either by motorpoint or somebody else.  Interestingly, Citroen dealers were selling exactly the same cars clearly from the same source (with that Y prefix again...) for £1,000-£1,500 more...

I liked motorpoint - it's not an 'experience' but the cash I saved would create plenty.
Bob Sacamano

I've never seen 330D Tourings offered as hire cars - it would seem to be a strange choice for a rental fleet.
gonnabuildabuggy

Martin wrote:
I do really like them, but the rear legroom/headroom won't be sufficient in a year or so and I banged my head getting in and out of the back!  Better than the coupe though, when the front seat is set for me there wasn't any room behind for the thinnest of legs.


Welcome to my world.
Martin

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've never seen 330D Tourings offered as hire cars - it would seem to be a strange choice for a rental fleet.


I've seen quite a few about, they have a small blue Thrifty badge on the rear, so are easy to spot.   I passed a blue 435d M Sport Coupe on Saturday just outside Bedford, which was also a Thrifty rental car.

I was thinking about hiring an estate to clear my garage out, as I wasn't sure on the policy around using vans and Thrifty were offering a 330d Touring for £90 which seem worth the £25 over an i40.  I was tempted with the RR Sport and FF RR for £170/£200, but when I read the insurance details (£2000 excess on the RR's!), I decided against it.
gonnabuildabuggy

Martin wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've never seen 330D Tourings offered as hire cars - it would seem to be a strange choice for a rental fleet.


I've seen quite a few about, they have a small blue Thrifty badge on the rear, so are easy to spot.   I passed a blue 435d M Sport Coupe on Saturday just outside Bedford, which was also a Thrifty rental car.

I was thinking about hiring an estate to clear my garage out, as I wasn't sure on the policy around using vans and Thrifty were offering a 330d Touring for £90 which seem worth the £25 over an i40.  I was tempted with the RR Sport and FF RR for £170/£200, but when I read the insurance details (£2000 excess on the RR's!), I decided against it.


I suspect they are their as "like for likes" on insurance rentals (80% of Enterprises business supposedly).

surely a van is your best bet for clearing a garage out Martin?

Re BMW pricing. It's being discussed on another forum I use and the following comments just came up. John C - decide what you want, name your price and leave them to ponder.

"I was with a bmw dealer principal at the weekend and he muttered, through gritted teeth, up to 30% discount on some models"

"They were doing up to 25% on various 3-Series models, my Dad bought a 335d Xdrive new and got 25% off a couple of months back"
Martin

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
surely a van is your best bet for clearing a garage out Martin?


Of course it is and a Transit is only £30 a day from Enterprise, but I thought it would be more fun in something interesting!  

There were some better deals talked about a couple of months ago as dealers were trying to hit half year targets, but they've eased off a little now.   I'd still expect to get over 20% off a 3 series, 22-23% on the 335d.  I'd be amazed at 30% unless it was something they wanted to clear.

I followed the 3 quote rule and they all came up with a similar cost (18% discount, in line with Broadspeed), which wasn't a surprise as I told them they had one chance to give me their best price.   I then left my preferred dealer with a price to hit and waited for them to come back to me.  They didn't quite get there, but it was £2.5k less and close enough, as I'd much rather buy locally.  The salesman said it was the first 5 series he sold with over 20% discount and he had to go and see the dealer principle to make sure it wasn't a mistake....  That may or may not be true, but I suspect most people would see a 5 figure discount and think there were getting the best deal.
Alf McQueef

I like the 4 series GC - I saw one on the road the other day for the first time, and it is very close in looks to the standard 4 coupe. It works better than the A5 sportback to my eyes.

It is not cheap however - I went through the BMW configurator the other day for the M235i and 435i GC and the latter was a lot more money. For something that is going to drive and sound a lot steadier.

As Martin says there are precious few BMW colour options, and no wheel options on the M235i when I looked. Weird.

I like both the 4 and the 2 in white with red leather, or even silver with red leather. Blue with brown leather is nice also, but the metallic blue is a very common colour, especially on M135i / M235i... I generally like white and black on current BMW's also.

I am also very fond of some of the M Performance options, especially the little black spoiler on a white car. Chris Harris has one with more than a few options at the moment - see link below - that car looks stunning but the options sure do cost! I could not even justify the LSD given the small % of the time I am hooning it...

http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/05/29...ts-bmw-m235i-m-performance-parts/
gonnabuildabuggy

Martin wrote:
I suspect most people would see a 5 figure discount and think there were getting the best deal.


Very true. A friend got 20% of an XC90 a year or so ago (when he bought that and a C30) and thought he'd negotiated an amazing deal.  I daren't tell him 20% was the standard discount at the time and that his son could probably have concluded a similar deal.
Martin

Alf McQueef wrote:
I am also very fond of some of the M Performance options, especially the little black spoiler on a white car. Chris Harris has one with more than a few options at the moment - see link below - that car looks stunning but the options sure do cost! I could not even justify the LSD given the small % of the time I am hooning it...

http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/05/29...ts-bmw-m235i-m-performance-parts/


They look like parts only prices to me, so will be well over £10k worth of options.  I'd have the exhaust....not sure what else if anything.
PR

Jesus Christ, the LSD is expensive!

Like Martin I think the exhaust is probably the most worthwhile. I'm not sure if the optional brakes are even any beefier than the standard M Sport brakes, which I believe are four-piston front and two-piston rear as standard. That would be a hell of a lot to pay for different paint on the calipers and holes in the discs...
Martin

Discs with holes do look better!

The Quaife LSD that Birds sell is £1680 fitted, but that excludes VAT, so just over £2,000.
JohnC

Alf McQueef wrote:

I like both the 4 and the 2 in white with red leather, or even silver with red leather. Blue with brown leather is nice also,


I can't understand why they made the bottom half of the dashboard red as well. I like the red seats but the lower dash is a no no for me. I'd be more inclined to go for the Oyster/Black if I didn't just go the safe route and get black only.

Agree on the ridiculous 4 coupe and 4GC pricing though - those setting the prices must know a few too many London bankers to have any sense of reality.
PG

Martin wrote:
Discs with holes do look better!


For £1700 I'll pop round with a Black and Decker and some red paint.....
gonnabuildabuggy

PG wrote:
Martin wrote:
Discs with holes do look better!


For £1700 I'll pop round with a Black and Decker and some red paint.....


£1700!! They know their market don't they.
Andy C

I Can't believe a 30k car doesn't come with xenons as standard these days !  

Having them on mine, it's one option I definitely would tick


My van doesn't have them and my dog they're shit
Big Blue

Drilled discs an option? Buy a motorcycle.

Re: 30% discounts: big engined petrol autos must attract a discount as there must be some kind of quota to import them.
Martin

It's OK, I've already got some nice drilled discs.
tali

Why do  Motorpoint list new price  and the savings for used cars -its a bit misleading.(list price  should only be referenced for used car in current year imho)
They used to sell  brand new cars  but in smallprint  it stated " These are pre registered  and you will not be first owner"
They advertised Vauxhall Vectras  few years  back at great prices - but didn't state they were Opels.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

tali wrote:
Why do  Motorpoint list new price  and the savings for used cars -its a bit misleading.(list price  should only be referenced for used car in current year imho)

Available Car do the same; it's so misleading as to be irrelevant.
When you're buying a 4 year old car (as elder daughter did), the saving against the "price when new" is totally meaningless
Frank Bullitt

Most of motorpoints stock is 6-12 months old so it's a valid comparison especially as the cars are clearly used (the plate age is shown at the front of the ad) - to be honest, only a dickhead would rely on this information alone, but 'our X is 10-15% less expensive than a comparable X at the franchised forecourt' is less catchy. You could argue depreciation figures are equally meaningless as it's based on list rather than cost, economy figures are meaningless because they are unrepeatable and so on.

They first came to prominence as an importer of cars when Europe was much cheaper but that market dried up some 4-5 years ago so they focus on ex-hire and pre-reg cars plus the occasional import and also a few slightly older part-exchanges that there's value in. The sales element is impressive as there's no massive pushing but they do offer a selection of 'products' that can add a grand to the price (gap, warranty to the original manufacturers three years and the usual paint protection), they also now try 'boomerang' which is a PCP on the cars - I didn't get a quote for this though but friends have a C-Max Titanium and Fiesta Zetec S both on this deal and seem happy.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Just checked Thrifty - food for thought for future UK visits
Big Blue

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Just checked Thrifty - food for thought for future UK visits


What do Sixt have in the UK? (apart from high rates, that is)
tali

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
tali wrote:
Why do  Motorpoint list new price  and the savings for used cars -its a bit misleading.(list price  should only be referenced for used car in current year imho)

Available Car do the same; it's so misleading as to be irrelevant.
When you're buying a 4 year old car (as elder daughter did), the saving against the "price when new" is totally meaningless



It's(as you will know) exaggerated savings ( natural depreciation to you and me) to  hook in the uninitiated- which i guess they know many of their punters will be.
Oddly , i don't  have prob with someone selling an old car   that was "50k  back in 1987"  or whatever  -purely because this is interesting(well, to me ) info and nothing more.
Tim

Martin wrote:
It's OK, I've already got some nice drilled discs.


Drilled discs can be prone to cracking around the holes, grooved is better.
Martin

I found this deal for one of my guys yesterday, who'd been looking at a 3 series Gran Turismo (320i M Sport manual).  That deal was £0 deposit, £360 a month over 2 years (10k miles pa) on a 'special' lease deal that we've negotiated with the dealer we use for buying company cars.

320d M Sport Touring, £594 deposit, £258 a month over 48 months (all inc VAT).  If it's really available, then that strikes me as a bargain.

http://www.contracthireandleasing...nd-finance/bmw/3-series/32709165/
Martin

Guess what....it's another 'con'  

The deal was on a comparison website, pictures of a new car etc.

Colleague gave them a carll and there are a selection of cars available at that price, but they're from the 'ex demo' area in their website and further questions on age/mileage reveals they're 61 plate cars with up to 40,000 miles....  

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