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BeN

Car of the Year 2017

Yawn. Such a tedious selection (again). They might as well give it to the Peugeot/Citroen and be done with it.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/11/...-finalists-for-2017-european.html
PhilD

Says the man who has just bought a Pious...



Volvo or Alfa for me. I roll to the soul.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

I'm going to have to disagree - that's a pretty good line up. Would be nice to see the Alfa, Benz or Ovlov win, but I don't expect it to happen. C3 and Micra also seem decent according to early test drive stories.
PhilD

Old Micra:



New Micra:

PhilD

I'll have some of what the Nissan guys are on please.
Frank Bullitt

C3 for me, of course
JohnC

Alfa or Volvo for me
Michael

That's a great line up. Apart from the Peugeot which is a bit of a nothing car they all offer something. The Volvo does well for doing its own thing, the Alfa for being a looker and rear wheel drive while that Micra looks incredible.
Nice Guy Eddie

Volvo for me, stunning interior puts everything else in its class to shame
Chip Butty

Alfa - The more I see pics, the prettier it looks - even a relatively basic diesel

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-revi...romeo-giulia-22d-180-super-review

Merc - The new e-class is another car that gets better looking on repeated viewings. The best Merc design in a very long time and they look the absolute tits in the sporty trim with the 20 inch multi spokes.

The V90 looks great in the right spec, but the S90 is a bit spacky at the back, the powertrain is very disappointing and the chassis sounds like typical Volvo (i.e - dynamically a bit of a pudding, but without the stellar ride quality to offset the tedium).
gooner

Re: Car of the Year 2017

BeN wrote:
Yawn. Such a tedious selection (again). They might as well give it to the Peugeot/Citroen and be done with it.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/11/...-finalists-for-2017-european.html


Quite a lazy bit of journalism there BeN, that's a great selection and all of those models look interesting. In fact it's only the E class that looks tedious or in any way dreary and that's due to the radical design ideas of the others, not a slight at Mercedes as it's still a great looking car. The new C3 and Micra show how manufacturing cturers of superminis are really starting to look to more radical design ideas to tempt buyers away from the default option of a Fiesta or Corsa.
cbeaks1

Michael wrote:
That's a great line up. Apart from the Peugeot which is a bit of a nothing car they all offer something. The Volvo does well for doing its own thing, the Alfa for being a looker and rear wheel drive while that Micra looks incredible.


The 3008 has been very well reviewed, and as an entrant in such a fast growing segment it would have to have a chance.
simonp

Are any of those actually on the market yet coz I've not seen a one of 'em? Well, I might've seen the Merc but it's so humdrum to look at that I'd've not noticed...
Racing Teatray

Yes, I was actually thinking the selection was less awful than usual.

Presumably the Peugeot 3008 is just there because it's obligatory.
Big Blue

Alfa for daring to go mainstream RWD.
BeN

I want the Volvo to win if only for being quite different to the rest of their line-up. The rest of them (maybe except the Alfa), meh.

But again, it'll be the Frenchies who will win.
Bob Sacamano

I don't usually take much interest in COTY but now it's been pointed out, that's quite a good line up. All of them are decent cars for once.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

simonp wrote:
Are any of those actually on the market yet coz I've not seen a one of 'em? Well, I might've seen the Merc but it's so humdrum to look at that I'd've not noticed...

The E Class is already well entrenched in Berlin's taxi fleet
PG

Agree that is a pretty good line up.

For me either the Micra deserves it for going from runt to potential top dog in the class, or the Alfa for offering (at last) a RWD alternative choice.
Frank Bullitt

BeN wrote:
I want the Volvo to win if only for being quite different to the rest of their line-up. The rest of them (maybe except the Alfa), meh.

But again, it'll be the Frenchies who will win.


You've not seen an S90 from behind then? I had the Mia pleasure the other day and for the rear end alone it's a howler, I still can't get the image out of my head.

As for 'the Frenchies' that'll be when the Italians, Germans or Japanese aren't winning then?

The C3 has now had its official U.K. Release, the 3008 is in Jan but I saw a car transporter full in France and it looked superb, a friend of mine (who hates French cars) came away from the Paris motor show very impressed and thinks he has found the replacement for his Yeti.
Giant

Re: Car of the Year 2017

gooner wrote:
BeN wrote:
Yawn. Such a tedious selection (again). They might as well give it to the Peugeot/Citroen and be done with it.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/11/...-finalists-for-2017-european.html


Quite a lazy bit of journalism there BeN, that's a great selection and all of those models look interesting. In fact it's only the E class that looks tedious or in any way dreary and that's due to the radical design ideas of the others, not a slight at Mercedes as it's still a great looking car. The new C3 and Micra show how manufacturing cturers of superminis are really starting to look to more radical design ideas to tempt buyers away from the default option of a Fiesta or Corsa.


In Ben's defence, I do at least partly agree. From a styling point of view the list is diverse and generally good, but a car of the year should be innovative, or offer something no other car does.

That said, perhaps I should don my moon boots and declare myself to have the best car on the forum, given I have the current CotY!
gooner

Re: Car of the Year 2017

Giant wrote:
gooner wrote:
BeN wrote:
Yawn. Such a tedious selection (again). They might as well give it to the Peugeot/Citroen and be done with it.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/11/...-finalists-for-2017-european.html


Quite a lazy bit of journalism there BeN, that's a great selection and all of those models look interesting. In fact it's only the E class that looks tedious or in any way dreary and that's due to the radical design ideas of the others, not a slight at Mercedes as it's still a great looking car. The new C3 and Micra show how manufacturing cturers of superminis are really starting to look to more radical design ideas to tempt buyers away from the default option of a Fiesta or Corsa.


In Ben's defence, I do at least partly agree. From a styling point of view the list is diverse and generally good, but a car of the year should be innovative, or offer something no other car does.

That said, perhaps I should don my moon boots and declare myself to have the best car on the forum, given I have the current CotY!


Ive got two previous winners in our household so that's gotta be worth more.
Giant

Current glory is always worth more than past glories.  
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Was the new Scenic announced too late for the 2017 list, or ruled out with insufficient votes?
Martin

The S90/V90 is good for Volvo (and it's survival), but other than that, what's so special or new about it?  Some of the other entries fall into the same camp for me and I appreciate it's been this way for years, but Car of the Year should be a car that brings something genuinely new to the market.
Michael

I agree but I don't think any of them genuinely new. Even the Alfa is mearly picking up rwd where the 75 left off.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

So what would you pick as a car that went on sale in 2016 that "brings something genuinely new to the market"? Bearing in mind the rule about minimum production numbers, which would rule out the K'egg Regera, for example ...
Michael

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Bearing in mind the rule about minimum production numbers, which would rule out the K'egg Regera, for example ...


They bent those rules for the Nissan Leaf and I think Prius to win.
Michael

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...wins-2017-european-car-year-award
Humphrey The Pug

How underwhelming!
BeN

Was about to post this.

Were we expecting anything less?
Racing Teatray

BeN wrote:


Were we expecting anything more?


FYP.

Like Eurovision. But Belgian.
PG

I mean WTF? Seriously, WTF?

Of that lot the two cars that actually moved the word on are the CH-R (the first non boring Toyota for years) and the Micra (for being a huge leap forward from the old one).

The 3008 wining is just laughable.
simonp

If PSA can afford to buy Opel I'm sure they can afford to rent a few hookers for some judges, too...

That 3008 was a munter in its first incarnation and it still is now.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Unbelievable, but somehow totally predictable
Giant

PG wrote:
I mean WTF? Seriously, WTF?

Of that lot the two cars that actually moved the word on are the CH-R (the first non boring Toyota for years) and the Micra (for being a huge leap forward from the old one).

The 3008 wining is just laughable.


If the Micra deserved it just for being a huge jump over the previous one, surely the the same applies to the 3008? The shortlist was uninspiring, car of the year should be gamechanging in some way, but we've been having this same conversation for a decade now!
Roadsterstu

As already pointed out, it's Eurovision for cars.

Entirely predictable.
PhilD

Roadsterstu wrote:
As already pointed out, it's Eurovision for cars.

Entirely predictable.


Can you let me who is going to win Eurovision then so I can make a few £££  
Roadsterstu

PhilD wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
As already pointed out, it's Eurovision for cars.

Entirely predictable.


Can you let me who is going to win Eurovision then so I can make a few £££  


It won't be us.
PhilD

Roadsterstu wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
As already pointed out, it's Eurovision for cars.

Entirely predictable.


Can you let me who is going to win Eurovision then so I can make a few £££  


It won't be us.


That would make me about 1p.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

It's in Ukraine, isn't it? So probably not Russia ...
PhilD

2p.
Big Blue

O.M.G.

What the actual fuck business did that have even being nominated? I know let's enter a car that's essentially the Qashqai that made its own genre some years ago.

As said above, a lot of mouthwash and anal tampons have been sold to entrapped girls and boys this past week.
Big Blue

One thing about the COTY "competition". It's voted for by journalists around the EU and cars are nominated and proposed based on new cars available in / during the year in question. These are the same journalists that have told us how good one manufacturer's cars are to drive; how much more efficient their engines are than the competition's; how well made they are; how much modern technology they use and how many niche markets that have opened with model designs. They love this manufacturer and so does the car buying public: you cannot move for them in most of Europe such is their prevalence.

BMW: never won the COTY.

The Quandt family: hated on a scale by the big manufacturers like no other.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Re: Car of the Year 2017

From 28 November 2016:
BeN wrote:
Yawn. Such a tedious selection (again). They might as well give it to the Peugeot/Citroen and be done with it.


Your motoring journalist skills showed impeccable foresight !
simonp

Big Blue wrote:
One thing about the COTY "competition". It's voted for by journalists around the EU and cars are nominated and proposed based on new cars available in / during the year in question. These are the same journalists that have told us how good one manufacturer's cars are to drive; how much more efficient their engines are than the competition's; how well made they are; how much modern technology they use and how many niche markets that have opened with model designs. They love this manufacturer and so does the car buying public: you cannot move for them in most of Europe such is their prevalence.

BMW: never won the COTY.

The Quandt family: hated on a scale by the big manufacturers like no other.


They've obviously not been forgiven for making aeroplane engines for the Luftwaffe after being banned from doing so in the Treaty of Versailles!
Tim

Big Blue wrote:
One thing about the COTY "competition". It's voted for by journalists around the EU and cars are nominated and proposed based on new cars available in / during the year in question. These are the same journalists that have told us how good one manufacturer's cars are to drive; how much more efficient their engines are than the competition's; how well made they are; how much modern technology they use and how many niche markets that have opened with model designs. They love this manufacturer and so does the car buying public: you cannot move for them in most of Europe such is their prevalence.

BMW: never won the COTY.

The Quandt family: hated on a scale by the big manufacturers like no other.


Several of those statements aren't entirely accurate though - maybe the journos are being honest in their COTY voting, rather than following the 'German is best' mantra they seem to adopt in their tests?
Sav

Alfa Romeo Giulia, new Merc E-Class….nope….the Peugeot 3008! FFS…..

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