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Tim

BMW X5

Somebody (GBB?) wanted to know how my brother in law got on with his 53 plate, 130k mile X5 4.6iS.

Well, car bought from a trader but with no warranty for £5k.
The list of additional costs so far:-
Brakes all round - £650
Rear suspension - £500
Replacement of timing chain guides and 3 chains (bits of plastic found in the sump when it was dropped to check) - £2,900
Impending cost of front suspension bushes and steering column UJ - about £1k.

On the plus side sanding down and buffing the cloudy rear lights cost nothing as he already had a dremel with loads of attachments  

Ideally it would get a front end respray due to stonechips

He also reckons he's getting just under 20mpg.

My advice would be to not bother.......
gonnabuildabuggy

Thanks Tim.

Kind of confirms my worst fears (and why I ended up moving away from the SUV plan originally.

I'll confess there is no way I'd buy a car like that from a trader though, needs to be moneyed owner with long list of receipts for the usual stuff having already been done (autobox still missing of that list I note).

On the plus side, just under 20mpg sounds good. I was expecting more like 15mpg based on my E500 experience.
Tim

I know he said the gearbox had already been done, that was a draw!!

I think he's been taking it easy for economy although the mileage he does is fairly low.
He did reckon that going above 70 on the motorway made a noticeable difference.
Alf McQueef

Ouch! You have to assume SUV's - especially really big ones with big engines - have the potential for some serious cost... Seems like its true!
Tim

He texted me this morning to say that by switching off the DSC and having the gearbox in auto mode he'd achieved a 20% improvement in fuel economy - apparently the DSC causes the brakes to rub slightly (New one on me but.....).

Anyway it's still nothing to shout about as it was an improvement from 10mpg to 12 mpg  

I hasten to add that was for journeys taking his partner to work through rush hour traffic in Perth.
Michael

Is this a mk1 X5? My mother had two, a black and a silver 4.6is and they were ok. I don't remember the fuel economy being quite that horrific, though and that DSC thing doesn't add up either. I know DSC activates the brakes if one looses traction but with the size of the tyres that was next to impossible. I wonder if the DSC module is broken? I know on my D3 something along those lines was broken and it wasn't an uncommon fault.
gonnabuildabuggy

Tim wrote:
He texted me this morning to say that by switching off the DSC and having the gearbox in auto mode he'd achieved a 20% improvement in fuel economy - apparently the DSC causes the brakes to rub slightly (New one on me but.....).

Anyway it's still nothing to shout about as it was an improvement from 10mpg to 12 mpg †

I hasten to add that was for journeys taking his partner to work through rush hour traffic in Perth.


The DSC story is an urban myth I think. Driving in Auto is always going to help I'd think. Not sure why you'd drive one in manual?
PhilD

Alf McQueef wrote:
Ouch! You have to assume SUV's - especially really big ones with big engines - have the potential for some serious cost... Seems like its true!


I started thinking that this is a £10k car, £5k up front and £5k budgeted for repairs, and that thats not too bad. But £10k for a 14 year old mk1 X5 isn't actually that good is it?
Tim

I've certainly never heard the DSC thing before and I assume it uses the same system as my M5.

Michael it's a 53 plate 4.6is.
Remember the 10mpg is through rush hour traffic, he sent me a picture of the readout and the average speed was 11 or 12mph.

It is a £10k car now but if he traded it he's be lucky to get £5k I think as everyone knows the work he's had done is effectively just routine maintenance.

The irony is that he went for a 4.6 as it has steel suspension whereas the later 4.8 has air and he thought it could be a money pit........
Andy C

A mate had a 07 plate Black Range Rover Sport, with about 22 inch rims. Proper drug dealer spec that got written off. He bought another one a few weeks ago to replace it, but he said it †didn't feel right. Took it to a local specialist who quoted nearly £5k of work that needed doing. Rather than have all the work done, he demanded his money back which he got.

He's decided he wanted something more fun, so just bought a 08 plate Cayman S in grey. Much better!
Tim

All these big 4x4s are money pits.
I don't think there's a question of 'if' simply 'when' you'll be hit with a big bill.
Boxer6

Tim wrote:
All these big 4x4s are money pits.
I don't think there's a question of 'if' simply 'when' you'll be hit with a big bill.


Herself's Disco4 was in the dealers for very lengthy (and no doubt expensive) repairs, including the gearbox and various associated bits out and lying all over the workshop floor at one point; seen, as we went through to get some things out of the car she needed for horsey stuff.

The dealer had the car for over 6 weeks, LR were going nuts because of the loan-car costs (firstly a Freelander II then an RRSpurt, both from Enterprise) and all this at under 2 years old.

Been trying to remember what the eventual problem turned out to be while typing this - can't. Something to do with not selecting gears properly, and something lese too which I cannot for the life of me remember. Not my car, or did I travel in it much, so that's probably why.

That and the drugs. I ALWAYS blame the drugs!!  
Tim

At my last job I got a lot of exercise helping push Land Rover products in and out of the workshop.  

The reaction of the mechanics one day when a transporter arrived from the auctions with 4 of them on board was quite amusing.
gooner

Tim wrote:
All these big 4x4s are money pits.
I don't think there's a question of 'if' simply 'when' you'll be hit with a big bill.


To be fair an E60 5 of similar age could be equally perilous to run if you're hoping for a car that's economical to maintain.
Tim

gooner wrote:
Tim wrote:
All these big 4x4s are money pits.
I don't think there's a question of 'if' simply 'when' you'll be hit with a big bill.


To be fair an E60 5 of similar age could be equally perilous to run if you're hoping for a car that's economical to maintain.


I could tempt fate by mentioning my M5 but I'm just not that brave  
Tim

A little post script to this.

Having had to replace the alternator drive belt last week and with a 'noisy, slipping gearbox' (it's an auto) my B-I-L decided to cut his losses and trade it.

He's going to be collecting his £23k 2010 X5 40d X Drive ( ) in the next day or two.

So, having bought the 4.6 for £5k and then spending another £7,500 on it, with invoices to support this expenditure, does anyone want to have a stab at the trade-in value given to him by the BMW dealer?
Bob Sacamano

£3.5k tops?
PG

It'll either be stupidly high, allowing them to shift a 2010 X5 for £23k (which to me sounds an awful lot for a 2010 X5, although I may be totally out of touch), or next to nothing. Can't decide which.
Martin

It depends on the mileage / spec, but anything starting with a 2 is too much money imo. †My sisters ex has just bought an average mileage 2012 X40d M Sport for £25k.

My guess on the trade in is about the same as Bob, £3-3.5k
Tim

The new X5 is this one

http://usedcars.grassicksbmw.co.u...173-3497054.aspx?srcmdc=se_ce_re_

Looks like it might be somewhat overpriced although I was surprised initially when I got told £23k.
gonnabuildabuggy

Guessing at £2.5K.
Michael

Tim wrote:
The new X5 is this one

http://usedcars.grassicksbmw.co.u...173-3497054.aspx?srcmdc=se_ce_re_

Looks like it might be somewhat overpriced although I was surprised initially when I got told £23k.


That's even more overpriced as it isn't the more desirable M Sport. They've told him the options are worth more, haven't they?
Tim

Michael wrote:
Tim wrote:
The new X5 is this one

http://usedcars.grassicksbmw.co.u...173-3497054.aspx?srcmdc=se_ce_re_

Looks like it might be somewhat overpriced although I was surprised initially when I got told £23k.


That's even more overpriced as it isn't the more desirable M Sport. They've told him the options are worth more, haven't they?


Not sure but he told me it was 'fully loaded'.
It had just come in and apparently while he was doing the deal someone else took it for a test drive and wanted to buy it!
Tim

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Guessing at £2.5K.


£2550  

I think he's mad, he could've broken it and probably doubled that quite easily.
Bob Sacamano

Tim wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Guessing at £2.5K.


£2550 †

I think he's mad, he could've broken it and probably doubled that quite easily.


It does sound as if he really, really does want an X5.
PhilD

Tim wrote:


Not sure but he told me it was 'fully loaded'.
It had just come in and apparently while he was doing the deal someone else took it for a test drive and wanted to buy it!


Of course they did!
Tim

PhilD wrote:
Tim wrote:


Not sure but he told me it was 'fully loaded'.
It had just come in and apparently while he was doing the deal someone else took it for a test drive and wanted to buy it!


Of course they did!


He actually heard the conversation and 'his' salesman had to rush across and say it was too late.


He fits the X5 owner profile pretty well - tattooed, muscles, gym membership, big dogs.
All he needs to do is shave his head and he'll have the full set  
PhilD

and drive like an absolute nob!
Martin

Tim wrote:
The new X5 is this one

http://usedcars.grassicksbmw.co.u...173-3497054.aspx?srcmdc=se_ce_re_

Looks like it might be somewhat overpriced although I was surprised initially when I got told £23k.


Wow, that's some main dealer premium.
Frank Bullitt

Not sure about the running boards and mudflaps but otherwise I quite like that - the wheels and colour/ trim look smarter than the M-Sport models
Tim

PhilD wrote:
and drive like an absolute nob!


I forgot that bit.
When he had his 330Ci (another box ticked) he certainly did drive like a knob so I was happy to never had to have to go more than about a mile, in town, with him.

I actually don't think the new X5 is too bad either, if you want something like that then I reckon that ones fairly restrained.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

The X5 isn't a car, it's a small barn....  they are Enormous and overbearing on the road, especially given the way that most of them seem to be driven
Roadsterstu

What a hideous machine. Not my cup of tea.
gonnabuildabuggy

I like them on paper but as with most 4x4's the size of them outside dwarves the interior size and parking, etc become impractical.

I quite the the X5, old and new, the old being a reasonable size I reckon but the image of them (old ones especially) is a big turn off.

For many reasons I'm sure one will replace the FRV at some point but what model that will be is proving difficult to work out.
JohnC

My wife had a Mk1 3.0D X5 for a couple of years and it was a thoroughly practical car with a commanding driving position and much better roadholding and handling than anything that size has the right to have.

Around town it did low 20's to the gallon (which is the same as her 2 litre petrol A5 gets) and on a run it would do an easy mid to high 30's.

I think it is only after you have a car like the X5 that you appreciate the practicality and depth of its abilities. It's not for everyone I know but as a family wagon it ticks most boxes very well.
Bob Sacamano

I like that X5 but I have no idea on the prices of these things so I don't know if it's good value or not - suspect not as it's a 6 year old car from a main dealer. They're very practical and I don't think they're too big - I'd certainly consider one if I didn't do the miles.

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