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Michael

BMW X2 Concept



http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...ewed-paris-motor-show-concept[/i]
JohnC

I like the pedestrian disposal openings at the front - suck them up and spit them out!

Actually that looks like a pretty well resolved design to my eyes. Not my kind of car perhaps but so much better than the X1 or 2 Series.
Racing Teatray

the kidney grilles that way up look even more Angry Birds pig!
Tim

Looks like a 5 year old Hyundai concept that someone's grafted a set of Lexus RX (?) air intakes onto.
Big Blue

Tim wrote:
Looks like a 5 year old Hyundai concept that someone's grafted a set of Lexus RX (?) air intakes onto.


+1

Never mind that thing, where's the new 5-er?
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
Tim wrote:
Looks like a 5 year old Hyundai concept that someone's grafted a set of Lexus RX (?) air intakes onto.


+1

Never mind that thing, where's the new 5-er?


They are swapping the badges over as we speak


Martin

Big Blue wrote:
Tim wrote:
Looks like a 5 year old Hyundai concept that someone's grafted a set of Lexus RX (?) air intakes onto.


+1

Never mind that thing, where's the new 5-er?


Exactly, way more interesting.  If the quality / finish is as close to the new 7 series as the F10/F11 was when it was launched, then I'm going to struggle to keep mine for as long as I'd planned.   I'm seriously tempted to get a 740d as it is, even though the list price for the spec I want is £93k, although the discounts are better now (20%).  Lindsay isn't helping as she didn't want to get out of the one we sat in on Saturday and keeps suggesting I get one.
Grampa

Tim wrote:
Looks like a 5 year old Hyundai concept that someone's grafted a set of Lexus RX (?) air intakes onto.


And looks the better for it than all the other X BMWs
Big Blue

Unsurprisingly I'm looking at the NEXT Alpina B5 take. If I win the lottery I'll spec a new one; if not I'll wait 4 years for a used one, which was the original plan anyway
Tim

The first drive review in the latest CAR mag (car is in camouflage dressing) implies that it's going to look like BMWs version of the 911, i.e. a small evolution of the current 5
PG

That looks really god side on.

And if you imagine it with a standard BMW front and rear, it'll be way better then the X4 and X6.
Twelfth Monkey

Given what a collection of frights/anonymity that the present range comprises, I quite like that.
Frank Bullitt

I like it, tone down the holes at the front and put some more realistic exhausts on it and that's job done.
BeN

Nice. I like that.
Roadsterstu

Martin wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Tim wrote:
Looks like a 5 year old Hyundai concept that someone's grafted a set of Lexus RX (?) air intakes onto.


+1

Never mind that thing, where's the new 5-er?


Exactly, way more interesting.  If the quality / finish is as close to the new 7 series as the F10/F11 was when it was launched, then I'm going to struggle to keep mine for as long as I'd planned.   I'm seriously tempted to get a 740d as it is, even though the list price for the spec I want is £93k, although the discounts are better now (20%).  Lindsay isn't helping as she didn't want to get out of the one we sat in on Saturday and keeps suggesting I get one.


93k for Martin spec? Feck me!
Martin

That's list price, £20k discount available and 0% finance is another decent saving.
Frank Bullitt

Martin wrote:
That's list price, £20k discount available and 0% finance is another decent saving.


Only £73k then, at least it's not a hideous sum of money!
Twelfth Monkey

£20k off is what, three weeks' depreciation?

(I know that 'they all do that, sir', but I wouldn't have thought residuals would make a 7 a wise purchase.
Martin

Yes, it's a lot of money, but with 0% finance and reasonable residuals, it's not as bad as you'd think.  It's £25k more than the discounted cost of the 535d but would cost less than half that difference.   Not a wise purchase maybe, but there are cars that will lose more £ per annum and surely it's only unwise if it stretches you too much or stops you doing something else you want to?

All a bit academic as I'm going to keep it for another 12 months, as I have no idea what my mileage will be next year, so don't want to enter into a new agreement.  Also need to decide what to do about the Boxster.   Current thinking is to keep it but use it a bit less and get something else as Lindsays daily driver, as I've no interest in a 718 and haven't seen a used one that I think is worth the cost to change, even with full on man maths.
PhilD

Keep yours for 12 months and then get a Z5.
Bob Sacamano

No 7 series is worth £73k. Just doesn't have the presence. The hotel I stayed at in Stavanger was using new ones as taxis and they just didn't do it for me.
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
No 7 series is worth £73k. Just doesn't have the presence. The hotel I stayed at in Stavanger was using new ones as taxis and they just didn't do it for me.


You are paying for the toys and the "luxury" and in the old days the amazing engines. Now they are all dirty diesels    
Twelfth Monkey

Bob Sacamano wrote:
No 7 series is worth £73k. Just doesn't have the presence. The hotel I stayed at in Stavanger was using new ones as taxis and they just didn't do it for me.


It also seems a bit old-man-golf-club - Martin, you're what, 40?  A tiny bit over?  I'm trying to save you from yourself here!
PhilD

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
No 7 series is worth £73k. Just doesn't have the presence. The hotel I stayed at in Stavanger was using new ones as taxis and they just didn't do it for me.


It also seems a bit old-man-golf-club - Martin, you're what, 40?  A tiny bit over?  I'm trying to save you from yourself here!


Then Bob should love them?  
Bob Sacamano

PhilD wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
No 7 series is worth £73k. Just doesn't have the presence. The hotel I stayed at in Stavanger was using new ones as taxis and they just didn't do it for me.


It also seems a bit old-man-golf-club - Martin, you're what, 40?  A tiny bit over?  I'm trying to save you from yourself here!


Then Bob should love them?  


The golf I play is for real men, mate. We take pensioners.
Bob Sacamano

Bob Sacamano wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
No 7 series is worth £73k. Just doesn't have the presence. The hotel I stayed at in Stavanger was using new ones as taxis and they just didn't do it for me.


It also seems a bit old-man-golf-club - Martin, you're what, 40?  A tiny bit over?  I'm trying to save you from yourself here!


Then Bob should love them?  


The golf I play is for real men, mate. We take pensioners.


I mean we take no prisoners. Damn.
Martin

I'm not bothered what anyone thinks or the image, all I know is the quality, comfort and general feeling of luxury are all excellent.   It might be different if I was looking for a single car solution.

I'm past 40 now and appreciate luxury more than ever.  

Not totally golf club spec, no beige exterior and small wheels.  'Martin Spec' means M sport, 20" wheels, dark grey, laser lights and the Executive Drive Pro.  Silly name, but it means fancy camera based active chassis with air suspension.
PhilD

Martin wrote:
all I know is the quality, comfort and general feeling of luxury are all excellent.


I think you are screwed now you and Mrs M has sat in one - you don't know what you are missing until you experience it. In the same way you see a 3er as a bit low rent, 5s will now be the same for you!
Martin

A little, but it could be a lot worse.  When the current 5 was launched it was close to the 7 series in look/feel inside and used a lot of the same components.  If that's the case again, there's a strong risk of having three 5 series in a row, none of the competition appeals to me all that much, with the possible exception of the E43 (standard E is lovely inside but I don't like the way it looks).

All academic right now anyway and what I really want is a new Panamera Estate or whatever they end up calling it.
Bob Sacamano

Back to the OP, it looks like a Mazda CX3
Twelfth Monkey

What's all this 'back to the OP' business?  I don't recognise any of those words...
Bob Sacamano

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
What's all this 'back to the OP' business?  I don't recognise any of those words...



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Twelfth Monkey

Poor quality joke on my part - I meant that we tend to meander rather at t' motorforum.  Getting back on track is poor form.
Frank Bullitt

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Poor quality joke on my part - I meant that we tend to meander rather at t' motorforum.  Getting back on track is poor form.


Indeed, we don't want to make a habit of it.

My sisters best friends hubby had the last 7 which he liked but changed it for a 530dGT which he loves - however my old man has been in it and he commented that the road noise was very loud and it drove him mad, which is a bit worrying as he drives a Jazz!
Martin

The 5 GT is the worst car BMW make imo.  Leaving aside the looks, it has a strange driving position that doesn't work with the dash layout, feels heavy to drive and has pretty poor refinement and comfort.  Maybe due to it being closer to an X5 than a 5?
JohnC

Martin wrote:
The 5 GT is the worst car BMW make imo.  Leaving aside the looks, it has a strange driving position that doesn't work with the dash layout, feels heavy to drive and has pretty poor refinement and comfort.  Maybe due to it being closer to an X5 than a 5?


And the 3 GT is nearly as bad and an assault on the eyes.
Martin

One of my old team has one, which I went in a couple of times.  It's not as bad as the 5 GT, but a Touring is much better.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

I like this a lot, but it's more of a big hatchback than an SUV. Not that that's a bad thing, of course ...

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