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franki68

bmw m4

Not a test drive,more of a discussion..my friends brother acquired one recently,I just saw him so had a chat about it.

Insanely fast ,but hes not impressed ,regrets changing from an s class .
Car goes siedways at 80mph on the motorway if you put your foot down ,and for him personally the ride is too firm.

it looks a bit odd as well,he has it in black ,but it is the least attractive m3 (m4) I can think of.
Nice Guy Eddie

Id go for the M3 personally

It really isn't finding love in many circles is it. I could see myself getting one if it was as exciting as the last one but the cars well documented failures on poor roads is a turn off for me. I'll go with the Cayman given the choice.
Big Blue

As I'm looking at a previous model M3 for next year this review is either a good thing in that it will be a nicer car or a bad thing in that that car will cost more as a result.....

No matter: I always felt the E36 M3 was a heap of shit, so what do I know?
Scouse

To be fair, the E36 M3 was thought to be shit by a lot of people because it was such a different car to the E30 M3.
JohnC

Big Blue wrote:
As I'm looking at a previous model M3 for next year this review is either a good thing in that it will be a nicer car or a bad thing in that that car will cost more as a result.....

No matter: I always felt the E36 M3 was a heap of shit, so what do I know?



I met my E92 M3 owning friend last weekend and he is keeping his M3 despite the best efforts of the local BMW dealer who has given him an M4 on loan on 2 occasions now.
gooner

Scouse wrote:
To be fair, the E36 M3 was thought to be shit by a lot of people because it was such a different car to the E30 M3.


I think, like the mk3 Golf GTI, history would think more of them had they not followed such a great generation.

For me the M3 doesn't seem as desirable because of it's lack of a bespoke engine. I can see why they went back to 6 cylinders but Audi and Mercedes still give you a V8. As does Lexus despite a range full of hybrids. The straight 6 in the M3 being based on an engine from lower down the range doesn't make it seem as special. I know I've not driven it so my opinion isn't exactly an educated one but from an automotive porn perspective, a bent 8 wins everyday.
Blarno

The good thing about E36 M3s being the run of the M litter is that they're now pretty cheap.
Big Blue

I had an E36 325 and a colleague had a 320. When I got my E46 323 I realised just how cheap and nasty the E36 was by comparison. The E46 was a massive game changer in this sector, thanks largely to the massive sales of the E36 so all good things come together in the end. Maybe BMW are getting complacent with the 3.....
franki68

Interesting about how it's not gaining much love , despite arguably 2 of the most influential journos loving it (clarkson and Harris )
BeN

I've driven it. I can see how it is exciting for some people, but it seems to be a tad compromised for everyday use, what with its firm ride and general tail-happiness. You can't make full use of the power unless you absolutely know what you're doing.

I prefer the M3 sedan to be honest.
franki68

I cannot recall the last time I desired an 'm' product,for a few years I wouldn't  consider buying anything else.
Martin

I'd happily have an M5 if I did less miles or an M6 GC if the kids would fit in more easily.  The M3/M4 look great, but I don't want one.
gooner

Martin wrote:
I'd happily have an M5 if I did less miles or an M6 GC if the kids would fit in more easily.  The M3/M4 look great, but I don't want one.


Agree with the M6 GC. I found myself strangely drawn to a bright green one on Autotrader the other day.
Nice Guy Eddie

franki68 wrote:
I cannot recall the last time I desired an 'm' product,for a few years I wouldn't  consider buying anything else.


I'm really keen to see how the M2 comes out. Could be a real winner
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

The almost universal opinion about the new one is that it's great in a very narrow operating window - smooth, dry roads or tracks. Which is therefore an epic fail, as the whole point of the M3 (or any M-car) is that it's a great everyday car that also happens to be able to go ballistic when you're in the mood. And doesn't "go sideways at 80 on the motorway when you put your foot down"
BeN

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
The almost universal opinion about the new one is that it's great in a very narrow operating window - smooth, dry roads or tracks. Which is therefore an epic fail, as the whole point of the M3 (or any M-car) is that it's a great everyday car that also happens to be able to go ballistic when you're in the mood. And doesn't "go sideways at 80 on the motorway when you put your foot down"


Agreed. I think in that respect the M235i is probably the car that sticks closest to the M formula at the current moment.
Roadsterstu

Re: bmw m4

franki68 wrote:
Not a test drive,more of a discussion..my friends brother acquired one recently,I just saw him so had a chat about it.

Insanely fast ,but hes not impressed ,regrets changing from an s class .
Car goes siedways at 80mph on the motorway if you put your foot down ,and for him personally the ride is too firm.

it looks a bit odd as well,he has it in black ,but it is the least attractive m3 (m4) I can think of.


Goes sideways at 80 if you put your foot down? I would respectfully suggest driver error is the cause here.

And how can the M4 possibly be directly comparable to the S Class?
PhilD

Re: bmw m4

Roadsterstu wrote:
franki68 wrote:
Not a test drive,more of a discussion..my friends brother acquired one recently,I just saw him so had a chat about it.

Insanely fast ,but hes not impressed ,regrets changing from an s class .
Car goes siedways at 80mph on the motorway if you put your foot down ,and for him personally the ride is too firm.

it looks a bit odd as well,he has it in black ,but it is the least attractive m3 (m4) I can think of.


Goes sideways at 80 if you put your foot down? I would respectfully suggest driver error is the cause here.

And how can the M4 possibly be directly comparable to the S Class?


I think he just regrets changing full stop, but as an EVO reader felt the need to tell us about his S-Class...
JohnC

Re: bmw m4

Roadsterstu wrote:

Goes sideways at 80 if you put your foot down? I would respectfully suggest driver error is the cause here.



I had a C63 do that to me several times as I tried to feed the power in - It was as if there was a step up in torque or power at certain revs and on anything but a bone dry road, the tyres got overwhelmed. Not at all pleasant and something I would not enjoy or put up with, on a daily driver - it would only be a matter of time before disaster struck unless you never used full power, in which case, why have it?
Roadsterstu

Re: bmw m4

JohnC wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:

Goes sideways at 80 if you put your foot down? I would respectfully suggest driver error is the cause here.



I had a C63 do that to me several times as I tried to feed the power in - It was as if there was a step up in torque or power at certain revs and on anything but a bone dry road, the tyres got overwhelmed. Not at all pleasant and something I would not enjoy or put up with, on a daily driver - it would only be a matter of time before disaster struck unless you never used full power, in which case, why have it?


Strange though that a car should do that in day to day driving. My ZT260 did it to me once at about 50, in 3rd. But they were developed in a shed.
Roadsterstu

Re: bmw m4

JohnC wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:

Goes sideways at 80 if you put your foot down? I would respectfully suggest driver error is the cause here.



I had a C63 do that to me several times as I tried to feed the power in - It was as if there was a step up in torque or power at certain revs and on anything but a bone dry road, the tyres got overwhelmed. Not at all pleasant and something I would not enjoy or put up with, on a daily driver - it would only be a matter of time before disaster struck unless you never used full power, in which case, why have it?


Strange though that a car should do that in day to day driving. My ZT260 did it to me once at about 50, in 3rd. But they were developed in a shed.
TreVoR

The Chimaera can be a bit like that.
Martin

That puts me off the M3/4 even more.  A lack of traction is a not something you want on a road car and it would be frustrating not being able to use all the power whenever you want.
Twelfth Monkey

Seems to me that they've tried to compensate for the lack of a screamer of an engine by making it edgier than they should have.  To me it sounds like it's epically fast but fatally flawed.
PG

gooner wrote:
Martin wrote:
I'd happily have an M5 if I did less miles or an M6 GC if the kids would fit in more easily.  The M3/M4 look great, but I don't want one.


Agree with the M6 GC. I found myself strangely drawn to a bright green one on Autotrader the other day.


The M3 / M4 seem to have lost their way. In my mind they have gone from fast road cars that can perform on a track, from the theoretical pinnacle of their respective 3 / 4 series ranges, to Max Power specials. And that can't be a good thing.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Re: bmw m4

Roadsterstu wrote:
My ZT260 did it to me once at about 50, in 3rd. But they were developed in a shed.


Roadsterstu wrote:
My ZT260 did it to me once at about 50, in 3rd. But they were developed in a shed.


Are you sure it did it once, not twice ??  
franki68

Re: bmw m4

Roadsterstu wrote:
franki68 wrote:
Not a test drive,more of a discussion..my friends brother acquired one recently,I just saw him so had a chat about it.

Insanely fast ,but hes not impressed ,regrets changing from an s class .
Car goes siedways at 80mph on the motorway if you put your foot down ,and for him personally the ride is too firm.

it looks a bit odd as well,he has it in black ,but it is the least attractive m3 (m4) I can think of.


Goes sideways at 80 if you put your foot down? I would respectfully suggest driver error is the cause here.

And how can the M4 possibly be directly comparable to the S Class?


Sideways is a slight exaggeration ,what he means and I know because the Aston does it ,is the back end squirms and does a little sideways shunt ,then the traction systems kick in.

And he wasn't directly comparing the m4 ,he had an s class and is sorry he changed it for the m4.
Tim

The Evo test of the M3/4, Audi RS5 and Lexus IS thing had the BMW as the winner but my conclusion from reading the article was that you couldn't use full throttle on anything other than a smooth, straight and dry road. That would certainly mean never on the roads in this part of the world.
It seems a little pointless really, your average driver is going to get slaughtered by a normal hot hatch if he tries to put them in their place.

Maybe they're fantastically good on a track?
JohnC

I was passed by a youngish guy in a beanie in a 64 plate M4 in that rather fetching red/orange metallic. I was on a dual carriageway doing 30 in a 30 limit. He felt the need to try to double that. Sounds interesting in a good way.

Obviously being bought by the wrong kind of person though!
Roadsterstu

Re: bmw m4

franki68 wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
franki68 wrote:
Not a test drive,more of a discussion..my friends brother acquired one recently,I just saw him so had a chat about it.

Insanely fast ,but hes not impressed ,regrets changing from an s class .
Car goes siedways at 80mph on the motorway if you put your foot down ,and for him personally the ride is too firm.

it looks a bit odd as well,he has it in black ,but it is the least attractive m3 (m4) I can think of.


Goes sideways at 80 if you put your foot down? I would respectfully suggest driver error is the cause here.

And how can the M4 possibly be directly comparable to the S Class?


Sideways is a slight exaggeration ,what he means and I know because the Aston does it ,is the back end squirms and does a little sideways shunt ,then the traction systems kick in.

And he wasn't directly comparing the m4 ,he had an s class and is sorry he changed it for the m4.


Ah, gotcha. So it has loads of shove when you boot it and lets you know it!
franki68

Re: bmw m4

Roadsterstu wrote:
franki68 wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
franki68 wrote:
Not a test drive,more of a discussion..my friends brother acquired one recently,I just saw him so had a chat about it.

Insanely fast ,but hes not impressed ,regrets changing from an s class .
Car goes siedways at 80mph on the motorway if you put your foot down ,and for him personally the ride is too firm.

it looks a bit odd as well,he has it in black ,but it is the least attractive m3 (m4) I can think of.


Goes sideways at 80 if you put your foot down? I would respectfully suggest driver error is the cause here.

And how can the M4 possibly be directly comparable to the S Class?


Sideways is a slight exaggeration ,what he means and I know because the Aston does it ,is the back end squirms and does a little sideways shunt ,then the traction systems kick in.

And he wasn't directly comparing the m4 ,he had an s class and is sorry he changed it for the m4.


Ah, gotcha. So it has loads of shove when you boot it and lets you know it!


Pretty much,it's a useful cure for constipation.
In fairness the Aston does it when the tires aren't warmed ,if you build some heat into the tyres then they stick ,but putting your foot down in say the first half hour of a drive can be hair raising.
Twelfth Monkey

I've referred to a young nobhead in the village who clearly gets access to some tasty metal for a day or two, probably through work.  He always drives like a cunt through the village, trying to look like he da man, as far as I can see. Before parking up outside mum and dad's less than palatial abode.

Mrs 12th guessed it was him in an M4 today, and was right.  It sounds purposeful enough, but a substitute in character for either of the previous M3's engines?  Nope.  Not by a long chalk.  Good job it's a monster in a straight (dry, well-surfaced) line.
Roadsterstu

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I've referred to a young nobhead in the village who clearly gets access to some tasty metal for a day or two, probably through work.  He always drives like a cunt through the village, trying to look like he da man, as far as I can see. Before parking up outside mum and dad's less than palatial abode.

Mrs 12th guessed it was him in an M4 today, and was right.  It sounds purposeful enough, but a substitute in character for either of the previous M3's engines?  Nope.  Not by a long chalk.  Good job it's a monster in a straight (dry, well-surfaced) line.


He can be reigned in ya know...
PhilD

Saw a white M4 parked up in the road yesterday outside a mini supermarket amongst "normal" cars and it just looked a bit, erm, nobbish.  I think with the standard 3 couple looking suitably different/special in comparison to the saloon a big engined coupe would be my choice over an M4, probably an Alpina B4.

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