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Skyhook

BMW - cheap(?), low mileage

So, it's getting close to new car time so I've been flicking through Autotrader to see what's around 'locally'.

This 3 series caught my eye but I'm not a Bimmer expert. I'm guessing it's not poverty spec, but no phone prep so I'm oooot. However, 58 plate and only 25,000 miles? An MoT check shows it's done around 1,000 miles a year since 2011. So does this mean it's been cared for or that it's been mostly quietly sat, seizing up?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...tcustom&logcode=p&adPos=7


I also fancy something more reliable after a French car and I've wanted one of these for a while -

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...;page=1&logcode=p&adPos=8

Close to being due a cam belt and water pump change though, so that's £450 plus Vat straight away.
JohnC

Re: BMW - cheap(?), low mileage

Skyhook wrote:
but no phone prep so I'm oooot.


I think phone prep was standard at that age.
Skyhook

It certainly was on my Panda back in 2008 so I'd hope so, it's just not listed.

I'm more puzzled by the low mileage.

And the huge bloodstain in the boot, obviously.
PhilD

Skyhook wrote:
It certainly was on my Panda back in 2008 so I'd hope so, it's just not listed.

I'm more puzzled by the low mileage.

And the huge bloodstain in the boot, obviously.


A grey 318 is pretty much invisible these days so it would be my choice for serial killing duties.
Michael

Probably owned by an old git who used it for little more than running to the shops. The rear seats don't look sat in.
I wouldn't be worried about phone preparation when it can be so cheaply retrofitted.
PG

Of those two my heart says Alfa, my head say BMW.
Skyhook

You guys think the BMW is a fair price? I'm tempted to have a look, but BMWs haven't crossed my path before so I'm not up on spec and value.

It's a couple of grand more than a similar car, same age with 85,000 miles.

No-one going to say "25k miles? It'll cost £10,000 for a garage to free off the piss-take trumpets".
Sav

I would be looking at an E90 3-Series with the N52 straight six, you would save money compared to that 318i and have relative reliability. Ideally a 330i, but a 325i would be fine, and enjoy the six.
Skyhook

Show me one †

Unfortunately while the money is there, the budget isn't (I would have got away with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids) so insurance and mpg have to be taken into account.

I also have a fear of high mileage cars. Admittedly I currently drive a Renault with 113,000 miles on the clock so that may colour my view somewhat.
Skyhook

I confess, I was looking at a new CitroŽn C4 Cactus for a while.

Top Flair spec, £179 deposit and £179 over three years on PCP. It's a flawed thing, but had quirky appeal.
However, asking about the 110 engine and doubling the allowance to 12,000 miles a year changed the figures to £249 deposit and £249 a month, which is too much in my mind to live with the quirky flaws.

So I'm back to the second hand ads and struggling to see past fun stuff like Focus ST3s, Scoobies and even Octavia VRSs.

Mrs S is rolling her eyes like a one-armed bandit being played by someone in the middle of an epileptic fit.
Sav

Something like this: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201606094775700

Lovely noise, xenon's, relatively trusted N52 engine, practical, and something that isn't on offer today - a lower-level 3-Series that has a petrol six-pot.

I also like the fact that it lacks I Drive, I Drive will be woeful from that generation, and it will just be something else to potentially go wrong.

Even thought that is an M Sport, an SE wouldn't be a deal breaker as long as it had sports seats - all about that motor. I wouldn't be put off by the mileage either.
Andy C

I can't think of anything better

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...8/postcode/cv64al/usedcars?desc=1

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class.../adPos/4/postcode/cv64al/usedcars

Or what about a Saab similar to what Blarnos looking at ...  300lb/ft of torque
Roadsterstu

V50 D5?
Big Blue

That 2.0 four in the BMW is super-frugal and that looks like a decent enough one. I wouldn't get hung up on phone prep, either; it's easily rectified and your iPhone / Android would probably perform better with some up-date syncing solution.

How many miles per annum and for what are you using it? If it's 5k and not a daily commute I'd buy the Alfa just because it is a sense of occasion to drive in one.
Skyhook

With the new job around 13,000 miles a year, rather than 23,000

Point taken on fitted phone prep, it was a 'like to have' only really. More troublesome is that I've just found out the 3 series doesn't have a folding rear seat. I'd only need that very occasionally, but need it I would. A roof rack wouldn't really work.

Andy - they are diesel! I was looking at the petrol V6 but performance/economy doesn't seem right, and I also made the mistake of researching a one make forum for tales of woe.
Skyhook

I'm enjoying you can see a car's MoT history on-line now with just a reg plate, and see which advisories aren't fixed, year after year...
Racing Teatray

Skyhook wrote:
I'm enjoying you can see a car's MoT history on-line now with just a reg plate, and see which advisories aren't fixed, year after year...


This is indeed fun.

Looking through it, of my traceable cars (figures as of their last MoTs):

My student Golf 1.8GL last passed an MoT in 2006 (no records since) at 163k miles (I recall 115k-ish when I sold it in 2000)

The A3 quattro had 96k on the clock when it was last tested (and failed) in 2015 (I think it had approx. 58k miles when I sold it in 2005)

The S3 is going strong on a pretty mighty 140k (34k when I sold it in 2005).

The Alfa has just 53k on the clock (46k when I sold it in 2009).

The Saab last passed an MoT in 2011 (no records since) at 164k miles (157k when I sold it in 2010)

The Merc is still soldiering on with some 325k (kms) (308k when I sold in in 2009)

The green Z1 is on 121k (kms) (110km when I sold it in 2010).

The 330d is on 90k (26k when I sold it in 2011).

The M5 is on 49k (35k when I sold it in 2012).
Martin

It is a fun game, if only I could remember some of my old registration numbers....

The oldest I can find a record for is my 406 Estate (P ref), which had its last MOT in Jan 2012 at 193k miles.

The Passat was on 193k in Sep 2015, but has had advisories in all recent tests and a couple of fails.  It's done about 15k a year since it left me.

The 130i was on 87k last September, so had done 64k miles in the last 7 years, it had only done 13k when we sold it at 3 years old.

The Swift Sport was on 56k last July and seems to be doing Ok, it failed it's last MOT but only on a dipped beam failure.

The 520d is having a nice easy life, it's probably only on about 140k miles now (138k in Apr, 133k when it left me), so is doing 4K a year.  No issues in any of the MOTs either.
Tim

I just had a look through some of mine - it's amazing how often they've failed because the headlights are out of adjustment!

My old Alfa GT passed in May with only 43k miles on it.
Michael

Just looked up the Compact, I got rid of that at the right time.
Roadsterstu

I was searching for "my" ZT260 but the registration number wasn't recognised. However, a Google image search found an Ebay ad from back in April when it sold for 5k, a bit more than I sold it for. It's now on J8 VBJ. And looks fine. Wish I'd known at the time and wish I had a spare 5k. Although I suspect, as it hasn't done much mileage (still only 65k) the bearing on the gearbox input shafts will still be whining slightly and there has been some corrosion on the rear subframe highlighted as an advisory - this is going to be a fairly big weak spot as these cars age, due to it being unique to the RWD and as far as I know, no replacements yet in production. Lovely to see it is still out there, though.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-MG...;rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

The Fiat Grande Punto I had seems to have faired really badly up to its current 99k miles. Either that or its very poorly maintained. Last 3 MOTs have had repeated lighting problems.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Skyhook wrote:
I confess, I was looking at a new CitroŽn C4 Cactus for a while.

Top Flair spec, £179 deposit and £179 over three years on PCP. It's a flawed thing, but had quirky appeal.

Thought of looking at a new Captur or Kadjar on Renault's finance deals?
Skyhook

Uh. Autotrader is dangerous. I'm rather taken with this XJ - so can someone please explain how it will cost £2,000 a year in maintenance to keep going, to stop me doing something silly?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...%2Cused&logcode=p&adPos=2

Chris - I looked at the Captur but the deals weren't that great, unless you do low annual mileage and are happy with a weedy engine.
Frank Bullitt

13kpa at 20-something mpg is still enough to bankrupt most - add in the occasional big bill (like brakes, or a gearbox shitting itself) and I can't really see the appeal as a main car. You don't look like Phil Mitchell, there's no need to behave like him too.
PG

Skyhook wrote:
Uh. Autotrader is dangerous. I'm rather taken with this XJ - so can someone please explain how it will cost £2,000 a year in maintenance to keep going, to stop me doing something silly?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...%2Cused&logcode=p&adPos=2



Actually I'm rather taken with that as well. Peet is the man you need to advise, but the 4.2 V8 is rumoured to pretty unbustable, that has a piffling 44k miles on and the Sport spec with black interior is not old mannish.

13kpa in some eco box or a V8 Jaaag. So sorry, I can't tell you not to go ahead.    
PhilD

I love how old Jags in the classifieds will always get blokes a bit moist  
Chris M Wanted a V-10

How long would you plan on keeping it?
Maintenance will not be cheap, running costs such as tyres, oil change, new spark plugs also not cheap. †Insurance and road tax/VED...... ??

If it's only for a year or two, enjoy the dream but if it's for longer term, I suggest you seriously consider the overall financial outlay



(it will also be a bit of a handful in town and in supermarket car parks etc, but if you have alternative transport for that, then don't worry)

Left-field suggestion:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...%2Cused&logcode=p&adPos=7

also
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...%2Cused&logcode=p&adPos=6
Frank Bullitt

PG wrote:
Skyhook wrote:
Uh. Autotrader is dangerous. I'm rather taken with this XJ - so can someone please explain how it will cost £2,000 a year in maintenance to keep going, to stop me doing something silly?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...%2Cused&logcode=p&adPos=2



Actually I'm rather taken with that as well. Peet is the man you need to advise, but the 4.2 V8 is rumoured to pretty unbustable, that has a piffling 44k miles on and the Sport spec with black interior is not old mannish.

13kpa in some eco box or a V8 Jaaag. So sorry, I can't tell you not to go ahead. † †


I'm not sure a BMW 318 qualifies as an 'Eco box'!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Another (although admittedly it is only a 1.2):

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...%2Cused&logcode=p&adPos=1
Skyhook

Time for a quick update - I have a new car!

I'd set a budget of £9,000 and fewer than 50,000 miles. Had to be family practical, economical and hopefully fun to drive.

Sadly the Jag above and Focus ST3s didn't quite make the grade, and the perfect Alfa 159 didn't appear. To be honest I was looking at Qashqais, but despite the toy count my heart wasn't in it, especially as reviews and the 'net spoke of uncomfortable seats and bits breaking.

So, I'm now the owner of a 11MY Skoda Yeti 1.8 TSI Elegance 4x4!

I've always liked the Yeti, had to raise my limit to 58,000 miles to get the spec I wanted but it was worth it, I think. This was the fourth I viewed, one overpriced, the other two sheds.

It's quite nippy with 158bhp, if not a rocket,  with a good ride - less roll than you imagine - and ticks the fun to drive box (hey, Evo likes it!) and has a nice toy count with heated leather seats, dual zone climate, 6 CD and SD card slot, voice activated phone malarkey and other gubbins. The rear parking sensors with graphic on the touchscreen has been very handy. Plus the tilty slidey rear seats are good for the kids/luggage space.

The only downside is it doesn't have keyless go. So my first week after the Megane has gone like this - walk to the car holding my daughter's hand. Pull the door handle, say "fiddlesticks" then reach into my pocket for the remote. Remote back in pocket, daughter in her car seat and buckled in, then get in myself and put my seat belt on. Depress the clutch, press a button on the dash that isn't there. Say "Oh poo", take seat belt off, reach into pocket for key, put in ignition and put seat belt back on.

I'll bung some photos up (Pacific Blue, black leather) when I get chance to take some.
Skyhook

Oh, and no-one tell Mrs S I'm currently getting 31.1mpg.
Bryan M

Nice choice, my brother has the 170tdi version, it flies and he can't get it under 50mpg. I have a soft spot for the yeti
Frank Bullitt

Excellent choice, still like the Yeti - I don't see many around where as 5 years ago they seemed popular. Elegance is a great spec and the 1.8 petrol is a bit of a find too.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Frank Bullitt wrote:
..... and the 1.8 petrol is a bit of a find too.

Indeed; I'm half hoping that I can persuade mum to go for a 1.2TSI auto/DSG to replace the V70. She's really not keen on considering a wheelchair-accessible vehicle as she reckons dad won't ever be going outside much now, anyway (sadly, very sadly).
Skyhook

Chris - it had a (spacesaver) spare wheel too, which is an option over the standard foam thingy repair kit. Reduces the boot from 415 to 330 litres though.

There are thick polystyrene 'bins' each side of the spare wheel and the carpet hinges up at the sides for access.
Skyhook

Frank - this was the first I looked at. They wouldn't budge on price and have since raised it £300!

It also has 6,000 more miles on the clock than advertised, and the seat part of the heated seat didn't work - which is a very common fault.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...adPos/7/postcode/sw1a2aa/usedcars

This was dirty, had the button to operate the dash top cubby missing, scrapes on a rear wheel arch and deep gouges on a rear wheel arch where I presume the seat belt latch had been regularly slammed in the door.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...adPos/1/postcode/sw1a2aa/usedcars

Now this one, this was the exact colour I wanted, and was advertised as excellent conditionthroughout. I viewed it before the photos were up, and it appears 'excellent throughout' means seats attacked by crayons, six inches of stones and mud in the footwell and the wheel arches, springs etc caked in mud. It had the optional Rough Road protection package, and it had blatantly been used as the next buyer wouldn't want.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...adPos/3/postcode/sw1a2aa/usedcars
Frank Bullitt

They each Look great in the pictures, I'd have thought the Yeti would attract people who cared but clearly not!

Just reminded Mrs FB that I like the Yeti and she fancies a crossover ('what's a crossover?'...high seating position, lots of interior space, looks like a 4wd...'aaaaah'), and she reckons they are for old people where as the Qashqai is quite youthful - no accounting for taste as I'd suggest the exact opposite.

I suspect it's a DS5 Prestige 2.0HDi next time.
Skyhook

A test sit and drive in a Yeti and Qashqai may be worth it!

The Nissan strikes me too much as white goods, whereas the Yeti reminded me strangely of my old Panda 100HP, as the initial throttle response caught me out, it's very sharp and picks up instantly. Without getting all Queef it seems quite chuckable in the twisties, the controls all make you feel connected yet it's also nicely wafty when you are merely progressing.
Frank Bullitt

Don't go Queef on me, I'd cry - I've driven both and the Yeti is a much, much nicer steer...but all the mum's have a Qashqai where as Skoda's are driven by old people...aren't they!

It's easy to forget how sweet the Yeti is.
Skyhook

Image is a funny old thing!

But the important thing is I'm happy. I like how it drives and I like the styling, without all the over fiddly bits and raised-to-the-rear window line.

Yes, it's second hand but it makes me smile walking towards it.

Until I pull the door handle forgetting it's not hands free like the Megane and mutter "for fuck's sake".
Big Blue

Nice choice. I think Yetis are cool mainly due to their lack of pretension.
Clunes

Great choice - always liked the Yeti.
Roadrunner

Big Blue wrote:
Nice choice. I think Yetis are cool mainly due to their lack of pretension.


Agreed. An excellent choice.
Roadsterstu

Roadrunner wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Nice choice. I think Yetis are cool mainly due to their lack of pretension.


Agreed. An excellent choice.


+another. It's the kind of car, I suspect, that people would scoff at until they went in one. I saw one yesterday, loaded up with holiday clobber and a full bike rack. It looked great for family stuff.
Hope you enjoy yours  
JohnC

Enjoy. I have always had a soft spot for the Yeti.
PG

Nice choice.

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Don't go Queef on me, I'd cry - I've driven both and the Yeti is a much, much nicer steer...but all the mum's have a Qashqai where as Skoda's are driven by old people...aren't they!

It's easy to forget how sweet the Yeti is.


The above is strangely true isnt't it!
Tim

I like the look of the Yeti but had a test sit in one and found the gearlever too far back for my liking.
Maybe I'm not Yeti shaped  
Twelfth Monkey

The old boy bought a Yeti in the end, 2lt TDi with 4x4 and DSG. †Thoroughly pleasant and unpretentious transport.
Skyhook

Tim wrote:
Maybe I'm not Yeti shaped †


My son keeps asking if I can see over the steering wheel. To which the reply always is "can you walk home from here?"
Skyhook

Just out of interest, purely hypothetically of course - but would anyone with experience of VAG TSI engines consider 2.5 litres of oil used in just over 3,000 miles to be a tad excessive?

Asking for a friend. Certainly not worried myself.
Boxer6

Skyhook wrote:
Just out of interest, purely hypothetically of course - but would anyone with experience of VAG TSI engines consider 2.5 litres of oil used in just over 3,000 miles to be a tad excessive?

Asking for a friend. Certainly not worried myself.


I'd say using 2.5l of oil in in 3000 miles for any engine is worthy of some concern really.

My GTI engine used less than that in all the time I had it and the Legacy uses barely a litre between (10K) services at 8 years/100K miles.

Sorry to burden you with unpleasant news Jase!
TreVoR

My Legacy, on the other hand, used a litre in the first 500 miles and a litre every 1k up to about 3k when it settled down.

The Land Rover uses a litre every 1k up and down the hills but uses nothing on a run. Guessing the turbo seals are getting a little past it.

If it's a TSi then it may well be turbo seals. Look out for blue smoke on acceleration after being on the overrun.

Most manufacturers have the caveat of anything a litre/1000 miles is within tolerance.
Big Blue

Depends on the build spec and the oil. Alpinas use very light oil and burn it at the rate of around 1l per 1,000-1,500miles. It even says so in the manual.
Skyhook

I'm sure it's just a finely engineered engine that requires generous lubrication for its exquisitely toleranced internals and is definitely not about to drop at least one cylinder.

The odd thing is it's not kicking out smoke, and I haven't noticed pools of oil.
Skyhook

It has a FSH, but turbo seals are a good call. I'll look into that.

Skoda forums seem to vary between it being normal consumption and being on the verge of exploding in an explosive fiery fireball.
TreVoR

Sticky ring. Give it a good pasting. You may notice the smoke then but then it could seat the ring properly.
Bryan M

Get a warranty and then give it a good pasting!
TreVoR

Alternatively, take the oil cap off while it is running. If it is puffing then it isn't a good sign.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Skyhook wrote:

I'll bung some photos up (Pacific Blue, black leather) when I get chance to take some.

Still waiting for the photos to appear.
We had a sit in a Yeti with mum last week but the dealership messed up on getting a 1.2TSI DSG ready for test drive so I had a go in a diesel DSG which was wholly unrepresentative.  However as I treated the old V70 to a valet immediately prior to its service and MoT, when I took it back, mum decided that she wanted to keep it until at least next spring !

Oh well.....
Skyhook

TreVoR wrote:
Sticky ring. Give it a good pasting. You may notice the smoke then but then it could seat the ring properly.


Thank chuff  Alan doesn't still post...
Skyhook

TreVoR wrote:
Alternatively, take the oil cap off while it is running. If it is puffing then it isn't a good sign.


I shall give that a try.
Skyhook

@Chris M - I've only had it a few months, I've not washed it yet... but when I do I'll take photos.
gooner

Skyhook wrote:
Just out of interest, purely hypothetically of course - but would anyone with experience of VAG TSI engines consider 2.5 litres of oil used in just over 3,000 miles to be a tad excessive?

Asking for a friend. Certainly not worried myself.


I'll tell you when my Golf gets to 3000miles!
JohnC

What age is the car? My wife's A5 with the same engine has an appetite for oil but I was told that the engines with problems are those up to 2010 when they apparently fixed the problem - I am not sure about "fixed" because my wife's is a 2013 with full Audi service history and average mileage. According to Audi though, a litre per 1000 miles is within tolerance.

The engines between 2007 and 2010 do have a problem but Audi will only sort it if it has a full Audi history. I don't know the specifics of the problem but I believe it is more than the turbo seals.
Skyhook

First service for the Yeti today,  a major one so fixed price of £269 - fixed apart from £52 for a brake fluid change and £75(!) for an air conditioning refresh and inspection, if I wanted.

I liked that a chap picked my car up from the office and returned it later, for free. Getting a video of someone inspecting my car also made me giggle, all looks fine underneath it, no visible oil leaks.

Because, as the nice lady on the phone explained, it's using oil because of the gasket/manifold, and to fix it they would need to replace... at this point she read out a list. It was quite a long list,  and I sort of glazed over listening, while really rather hoping she'd stop listing things soon. "Back to the turbo" was mentioned. "Replacing the piss-take valves" wasn't, but may have well been when £2,800 was casually mentioned.

However! Good news! Because I'd just spent a lot of money with them, she had spoken with Skoda, and they were prepared to make a good will contribution.

The cost to me then will be £1,400. And 35p.

I did enquire, after Google, you chaps and the fact Skoda are being all Santa over a 2011 plate car if this was maybe, possibly a known fault?

Apparently not. It's a total mystery.

In better news, they washed the Yeti (I've been meaning to, but you know, only had the thing for a few months) and vacuumed it. They also left half a bottle of screen wash in the passenger footwell. (Still in the bottle, pedantry fans.)

The 35p I have. The rest might be down the back of the sofa, fingers crossed.

Gotta say though, despite this I really like the Yeti, it's unexpectedly engaging to drive, but also does the practical family thing and has a decent toy count. The styling works for me too.

Abominable maintenance costs though.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Skyhook wrote:
In better news, they washed the Yeti (I've been meaning to, but you know, only had the thing for a few months).....


Quick, take those photos before it gets dirty again !
Skyhook

I would, but they neglected to vacuum stripes into the car mats. What would PR say?
Boxer6

Skyhook wrote:
I would, but they neglected to vacuum stripes into the car mats. What would PR say?


Nothing much - he's just as bad these days from what I remember!

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