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Alf McQueef

BMW 1 series loaner on Monday...

I have for some time been vacillating between 1 and 3 series for my next car. I had a massive "want" when the M135i came out, but it seems everyone and their dog are waiting for them to drop below £20k, and I can't deny that on my frequent long drives the 3 series cabin is a nice place to be. Or that we are starting to use my car as a family car more, or that my main hobby - mountain biking - makes a bit more interior space useful, even with a garage half full of Thule kit. Annoyingly the 335 engine took time to make it into the new 3 Touring (which I like) but I have been wondering if an early current shape  335i saloon might be a better bet. I have even wondered about a 328i Touring if they are cheap SH, or even 330.........................d!

So I am most pleased that on Monday, when my car is in for an MOT, brake fluid change, and inspection of some sort, I will have a 1 series (they offered me that or a mini -given my feelings re: minis I did not take long to decide). I don't give a rats arse what model it is - what I want to know is, in terms of cabin space and refinement is the new 1 sufficiently close to the the old 3, or are all the (frequent) road test comments of "good, but not as good as a 3 series" still valid. I have booked a meeting a couple of hours from home, with 30 mins each way of very bumpy good driver's B roads too so I ought to get a feeling re: stability and hoonability too - the old 1 is a great car (130 - I still would) but it is just not as stable near the limit as a 3, and lacks traction compared to one also.

Looking forward to it!
Michael

I will be very interested in your comments and particularly your thoughts on being able to fit a bike in the back.
gonnabuildabuggy

I do like the shape of the new 1 series and having followed a 120d driven at some speed last week I did think that it's one of those cars that, excluding family duties, is probably all the car you ever need, in the same way the Golf GTi is.

Perhaps the answer lies more in your family car decision and your biking needs.
TreVoR

I like the 1 too. I had an Astra loan car the other day and sizes are comparable.
tali

1200 litres with seats down.
1295litres for Golf
PR

I was impressed with the 114i I had recently. The driving position, refinement, ride and handling balance all seemed like a step up. It will be interesting to read your thoughts.

On another point, I do find it strange that a couple of people I tend to think of as the forum's most sensitive drivers are so categorically anti-MINI, when it's one of the few cars that is clearly 'bespoke' engineered for the keen driver!
JohnC

If you put the back seats down to get the bike in then I reckon the 1 series would be big enough. The boot on the new 1 is a step up in size from the old 1 but is a bit narrower and shorter than the 3.

I have never pushed a 1 series hard but its shorter wheelbase is bound to make it a bit more lively and perhaps less fluid at the limits.

Enjoy.
franki68

I keep getting emails offering me 135i at £230ish/month  ,looks a cracking deal
BMW and merc really are doing some mad finance deals at the moment.
Twelfth Monkey

I think it looks like a pig with Down's Syndrome.
Michael

Spent some time in the dealership today. For us the boot is nowhere near big enough.
gonnabuildabuggy

franki68 wrote:
I keep getting emails offering me 135i at £230ish/month †,looks a cracking deal
BMW and merc really are doing some mad finance deals at the moment.


Market share and end of year I suspect. From what I read the UK gets some deals as we still actually buy cars if the price is right.
Parm

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I think it looks like a pig with Down's Syndrome.


That good? ;-)
Mark

I'll be very surprised if it passes the bike test. When I collected the Zesty from the bike shop, I struggled to get it into a SEAT Leon Mk2 with the front wheel off (seats folded down, obviously - and the Zesty is only a Medium frame).

Quality-wise - I had a 114i courtesy car and I wasn't that impressed with the interior quality. Cheap looking shiny/gloss black plastic and flimsy interior door pulls were the main culprits. Overall, it wasn't terrible but not as good as it could be...
Alf McQueef

OK, the short answer is, its a good car but it does not feel spacious enough inside for me, I'll get a 3'er again next, or something similar.

The longer version: The car was a 116d Urban (whatever that is) - it had the screen and idrive/bluetooth and basic air con but little FG. It had 205 tyres front and rear but I failed to note the wheel size - 16 or 17.

It was easy to get comfortable and the BMW "family" feel helps - I'm not someone that quickly feels at ease in a different car. The mostly cloth seats were excellent and I was quickly underway and across some speed bumps - which was surprise number 1 - the ride quality was excellent. Surprise number 2 was the ease of pairing and using my phone, I was an iDrive virgin but found it all very straightforward, though I did get a bit stuck later until I worked out the knob clicked left and right as well as twisting and having a press-button. I do think it is a distraction and it tempts you to play with it when driving, which given the number of serious accidents caused by driver distraction these days (smartphone texts/mails mainly) is maybe not too clever.

However, I have to say that after a few hundred yards I was feeling a little cramped and claustrophobic, and the excellent refinement on the motorway (where I spent the next 90 mins) did not fully alleviate the feeling I'd have been more comfortable in my car. When I got back into mine just now, it's not that there is miles more space around me, but the furniture is a bit lower down and further away from me - and the key difference is that you feel surrounded by glass and space in the 3 series, with superb visibility all round. In the 1 (which was a 3 door) over the shoulder visibility was shocking (reminded me of the Puma) and the rear view mirror is small and not confidence inspiring.

Still, the refinement was excellent, if anything quieter than mine (this was a key concern of the 1 for me), and the relaxed feel is totally different to the rattly noisy shitbox of a Mini I normally get. It's obviously a core BMW value and it is very valuable to anyone doing lots of miles. It was maybe slightly choppier than mine over big dips and crests, but has better body control so swings and roundabouts there. The stereo sound and phone kit were miles better too - clearly newer cars have some benefits in this sort of area. DAB retuning all the time - sometimes many times a minute - was a PITA in places, mind. I've not used one before.

The engine is not really hugely relevant as I would not get a 4 pot diesel anyway, but it was the smoothest and most tractable unit of it's type I have used, with less of a dead zone at low revs - only once was I caught floundering horrifically, in third on a tight uphill bend. I was doing just under 60mg until the last 20 miles of twisty lanes, impressive - even more so was that the day ended up at 56 mpg, including those lanes in both directions and popping into the local town centre from where I was. It was pretty gutless in 6th though - and changing down to 5th to try and dispatch one of the various people who pulled in then accelerated (something that I don't recall happening in my car - maybe people don't want to be overtaken by a baby 1) did not exactly result in a rush of acceleration. Sport mode did make the throttle more responsive (eco mode was an emasculating disaster) but I'm not sure I appreciated the slightly treacly steering feel in that mode - overall I preferred my 1st gen electric steering, even with mine on the winter tyres ( which normally shag the feel to an extent). Except on the lanes I stayed in "comfort" mode.

As usual with a diesel, driven calmly it made sense, the second I tried to use full throttle and more revs, it made jerky progress and I realised how much of the playing around I do out of junctions and slow corners in mine is reliant on instant and consistent throttle response. I take time to get used to cars and did not go mental (partly stuck behind slow traffic and partly as there was liquid mud everywhere) but the rear of the car never really came into play - RWD was a benefit for not messing up the steering and for stronger traction, but it was not a real dynamic experience like in mine. It cornered well (I would not want for more grip and definitely not stiffer suspension - it was plenty flat) but as johnc mentioned recently there was just a slight feeling of menace - I had the front pushing on a few times and had the feeling that things would get a bit spiky if I kept going (not like the mini, which easily - too easily - but safely scrubs off speed in understeer like a kart, quickly leaving you well below the limit). †Like the mini, though not to the same extent, it changed direction very easily - cornering is more of a process in my car as you can feel the weight moving around.

Again it's not especially relevant as I'd have an auto, †but for me the gear stick was far too far back - my arm was very bent shifting gear, and my elbow hitting the big cover for the storage bin. I'm also not a lover of the light springy feel of manual BMW's - I prefer a more mechanical and solid feel. The brakes were efficient enough but had nothing like the feeling of power and progression of the dinner-plate sized discs in mine.

So overall it was a smooth, economical, refined experience that made good sense up to about 3/4 pace. But I like the more "engineered" feel of a bigger car - the girly wipers and sunshades and all sorts of other touches grated as well as the slightly cramped feeling. And I felt I got nothing back for the small size - in town the long doors were a PITA parked next to other cars, and on lanes it did not feel usefully narrower - it just seemed a lot shorter.

A good car, but not for me. An M135i must feel hugely naughty, and I'd love one (an auto one) if doing less motorway miles and fewer long days in the car, but I think I'll stick to 3'ers!
Martin

Interesting.

You're not going to get much benefit or entertainment from rear wheel drive on a 116d, but it sounds like a decent car.

Some of your comments about the feeling of space (lack of) and claustrophobia are interesting because that's how I felt she I sat in the new 3 series! It depends on what you're used to, but the drop in quality and space are what put me off downgrading. It would have to be a big step up in engine to compensate.
Mark

Interesting that you feel your 3 Series estate is relatively light, airy and spacious. One of the things I love about some cars (including my 3 coupe) is a snug (and dark) cabin with high waistline making me feel nice and ensconced.
JohnC

Martin wrote:
Interesting.

You're not going to get much benefit or entertainment from rear wheel drive on a 116d, but it sounds like a decent car.

Some of your comments about the feeling of space (lack of) and claustrophobia are interesting because that's how I felt she I sat in the new 3 series! It depends on what you're used to, but the drop in quality and space are what put me off downgrading. It would have to be a big step up in engine to compensate.


I was driven to a meeting yesterday in a client's 640D (I didn't even know he had one because he always turns up in his Range Rover). The interior with the leather dash and part of the centre console felt several leagues above mine in quality/ambience although it probably only cost another £50 to manufacture. Unfortunately my client isn't a car man so handling, roadholding etc are all subjects he doesn't even understand. It was pretty quick though and very comfortable although there was still a bit of that runflat jar when we hit one smallish pothole - the 20" wheels probably didn't help.
JohnC

Alf's comments on the gear lever are exactly the way I felt when I had a 1 series coupe as a courtesy car last year. I don't know what height you are Alf but I am 5'9" and like my arms with a slight bend when at the 10 to 2 position.

It might be that if you like straight arms or are 6' tall, the gear stick falls more easily to hand.
Alf McQueef

I am 5' 9" also, with relatively long arms. I like to be quite upright and close to the wheel, especially when pressing on, which did not help. The gear stick sits to the rear of the the cup holders, too far back for my liking. I prefer the position and action of the shifter in the Plus

Late in the day I did adopt a more classic yoof boy racer position just to see how it felt, and it worked better on main roads, but I hate to be that far away from the wheel and pedals when pressing on.

The interior thing is all subjective, for sure - I like the cockpit feeling of some sports cars as well, but when there is minimal room around your arms and legs, and especially when you can see sod-all over your shoulder, it wears thin on long drives. I am old-fashioned and look over my shoulder when joining roads.

I had a poke around an X1 in the showroom and really, really liked it - and thought the materials (one patch aside) better than in the 1 series. The new 3 is for sure a step up again. Annoyingly they now make a 2.0 turbo petrol 1 series - they used to all be diesel and that is the part that puts me off getting one for Mrs ALF the most.
gonnabuildabuggy

Martin wrote:
Interesting.

You're not going to get much benefit or entertainment from rear wheel drive on a 116d, but it sounds like a decent car.

Some of your comments about the feeling of space (lack of) and claustrophobia are interesting because that's how I felt she I sat in the new 3 series! It depends on what you're used to, but the drop in quality and space are what put me off downgrading. It would have to be a big step up in engine to compensate.


Me too.

I know a smaller car makes sense but can't get myself to buy one!
Frank Bullitt

I've not driven a new '1' but at 6'4" I find the driving position spot-on but then I sit with the seat as low as it can go, as far back as I need then with the wheel low and as close to my chest as possible.

I'd have a 1er petrol but Mrs FB just wants a crossover!
scamper

Michael wrote:
Spent some time in the dealership today. For us the boot is nowhere near big enough.


I found it a squeeze in the previous 1 series for a mtb even with both wheels off.
PR

Mark wrote:
Interesting that you feel your 3 Series estate is relatively light, airy and spacious. One of the things I love about some cars (including my 3 coupe) is a snug (and dark) cabin with high waistline making me feel nice and ensconced.


Same here. The current 1-series even made mine feel a bit bar stool-like as it seemed the seats were lower set and the transmission tunnel taller, so I felt really perched high when I got back into mine.
Michael

Having clocked that broad speed will shave £5k off an M135i I had plans for one of those but they are sadly too small. They are a very lovely car, however. We looked at a 5 series which does have a quality advantage but is too massive. The 3 series is the right size for us and the boot is usefully bigger than our car. Working out which engine to have is the next hurdle.
TreVoR

Anything with more than four cylinders, surely?  Even if it has to be a diesel.
Martin

Michael wrote:
Having clocked that broad speed will shave £5k off an M135i I had plans for one of those but they are sadly too small. They are a very lovely car, however. We looked at a 5 series which does have a quality advantage but is too massive. The 3 series is the right size for us and the boot is usefully bigger than our car. Working out which engine to have is the next hurdle.


That easy. 335xd!
Michael

That would be the answer were it not for financial constraints!
Racing Teatray

The first time I sat in a current shape 1er I felt it was claustrophobic inside. The sunroof makes a big difference (I never close the blind) as does the coloured (ie not black) leather.
JohnC

The black headlining is something I don't like very much on the MSport cars because it makes the interior very dark and appear smaller. If they had a grey or beige option I would always tick that, or as Racing has done, spec a sunroof.

Mercedes do a similar thing with their Sport models and in the likes of the E Class Coupe it spoils it altogether unless you spec the light coloured leather.
Martin

Yes, the M Sports are very dark inside with black leather.  I did like that on the 130i, because it made it feel more compact coupe than family hatch, especially as the driving position is a lot lower than the Golf and Focus which felt more like a mini MPV in comparison.

I'm mainly glad I went for light coloured seats, it really brightens up the car, but they are a bugger to keep clean!
Tim

Both my 5 series are black roof, black leather, black carpet and the titanium trim but they don't feel claustrophoboc.

In contrast the 3 series has pensioner spec pale grey/blue cloth, matching dashboard and a black plastic insert and it feels like you're sitting in the open.
JohnC

Martin wrote:
Yes, the M Sports are very dark inside with black leather. †I did like that on the 130i, because it made it feel more compact coupe than family hatch, especially as the driving position is a lot lower than the Golf and Focus which felt more like a mini MPV in comparison.

I'm mainly glad I went for light coloured seats, it really brightens up the car, but they are a bugger to keep clean!


I am seriously tempted by this but the colour of the leather has put me off a bit - I love the way it looks but I'm not sure I would want to keep cleaning it every few months.

http://www.approved.bmw.co.uk/bmw...RXODUyODM=&btp=1x24-price_ASC|list
Michael

Lovely looking exterior but I dislike that interior a lot.
JohnC

Michael wrote:
Lovely looking exterior but I dislike that interior a lot.


I don't think the silver trim goes well with the light coloured leather and Black carpets would be a big improvement.
Michael

I'd imagine the silver trim can be replaced but the carpets are too much. A friend had on old shape 6 series with a cream interior. It didn't take long to look grubby meaning the car became very high maintenance to keep it looking good.
Martin

JohnC wrote:
Michael wrote:
Lovely looking exterior but I dislike that interior a lot.


I don't think the silver trim goes well with the light coloured leather and Black carpets would be a big improvement.


Definately.  Black carpets are a must with those colour seats.
Roadrunner

Michael wrote:
Lovely looking exterior but I dislike that interior a lot.


I assume you are off to Specsavers in the morning? The exterior is an ugly monstrosity. If it wore a far eastern badge everyone would take the piss.
Michael

Absolutely not. The 6 is one of those cars that has matured nicely, particularly in M Sport set up. Part of its success is the quality of the details, the sculpting of the bodywork. These details are expensive to produce and admirably restrained - not the hallmark of many 'Eastern' brands.
gonnabuildabuggy

Michael wrote:
Absolutely not. The 6 is one of those cars that has matured nicely, particularly in M Sport set up. Part of its success is the quality of the details, the sculpting of the bodywork. These details are expensive to produce and admirably restrained - not the hallmark of many 'Eastern' brands.


+1. Not a fan when launched, like them a lot now.
Martin

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Michael wrote:
Absolutely not. The 6 is one of those cars that has matured nicely, particularly in M Sport set up. Part of its success is the quality of the details, the sculpting of the bodywork. These details are expensive to produce and admirably restrained - not the hallmark of many 'Eastern' brands.


+1. Not a fan when launched, like them a lot now.


+1  I love them.
Bob Sacamano

Martin wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Michael wrote:
Absolutely not. The 6 is one of those cars that has matured nicely, particularly in M Sport set up. Part of its success is the quality of the details, the sculpting of the bodywork. These details are expensive to produce and admirably restrained - not the hallmark of many 'Eastern' brands.


+1. Not a fan when launched, like them a lot now.


+1 †I love them.


Another fan here. I wasn't sure when they launched but I really like them now. A friend bought a secondhand 645i convertible as a run around for his wife and it looks and sounds the part. The interior wasn't as high quality as I expected but it's still a nice place to be.
PhilD

Itís great design, which manages to retain some of the look of the previous Gen car (so you recognise it as a 6 series and as BMW) but without any of the jarring details (sad face, squared off bootlid of curved flanks) but hasnít been sanitised to the point of being bland and boring.


And a £70k car barely run in for half the money is nice!
Mark

The 6er is one of the best looking cars on the road IMO.
Alf McQueef

I like the new 6 series, I much prefer it to the last one.

I don't like black on black on black interiors with extra black too much either - but that one pictured is too far the other way. If just the seats and the doors above the handles were cream that would be lovely - the carpets, glove box, lower doors etc are a bit much.
gonnabuildabuggy

Mark wrote:
The 6er is one of the best looking cars on the road IMO.


I find myself liking the Gran Sport even more.

As has been said in other threads, I know a smaller car makes sense for me but I like the feeling of space, plus the quality of interior you get on bigger cars, combine that (when buying used) with little difference in purchase price and the benefits of something smaller diminish somewhat.

What's the best quality interior in a small car? Anything that compares to a 6er/XF?

I reckon the XF moved the game on for the standard size exec car which perhaps is why the F10 is so good perhaps?
Parm

I like the new 6 too, and the used prices make buying a new 4 series extremly questionable.
Martin

Parm wrote:
I like the new 6 too, and the used prices make buying a new 4 series extremly questionable.


With the deals you can get on a new 6 series, even new it makes sense over a 4 series!  There are significant discounts available on the 640d M Sport (coupe and Gran Coupe), along with 0% finance.
PG

Alf McQueef wrote:
I like the new 6 series, I much prefer it to the last one.


The previous gen with the horrible bootlid and weird details was terrible. The new one has a much sleeker look and I like it.

Re the light coloured interior - agree that the carpets and dash are too much. Al black but with those seats wiould be OK. If a pig to keep clean.

But my far and away the biggest crime for me is the rear window privacy glass. I mean why oh why fit privacy glass to the rear windows of a 2 door coupe? I see loads of Audi A5's with it too.


Dr. Hfuhruhurr

PG wrote:
... why fit privacy glass to the rear windows, because it looks totally shit

FYP
Frank Bullitt

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
PG wrote:
... why fit 'make my lovely car look like a shit van effect' to the rear windows, because it looks totally shit

FYP


DFYP
Racing Teatray

Agree on no privacy glass on coupes. I didn't have it on my 135i coupe for that precise reason. By contrast, I like it on the M135i hatchback, particularly with the black paintwork.
Martin

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
PG wrote:
... why fit 'make my lovely car look like a shit van effect' to the rear windows, because it looks totally shit

FYP


DFYP


I think it looks worse in photographs, but I agree that looks shit.

It must be sporty, as it's part of the new M Sport Plus pack that's been introduced!  Which is a pain, because I'd want everything else in the pack anyway  (Xenons, 19" wheels, M Sport Brakes, HK Speakers) and even ignoring the price of the glass it's cheaper than selecting the options individually.
PG

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
PG wrote:
... why fit privacy glass to the rear windows, because it looks totally shit

FYP


You're welcome to FYP for that as I totally agree. I am yet to to see a car on which dark rear privacy glass looks anything other than shit.
Alf McQueef

I'm not going to sit on the fence on this one, I think all privacy glass looks totally and utterly shit in all instances, I also can't stand heavily smoked light covers - I see some these days that are so dark you can barely see the lights on at night.

I assume the deal with privacy glass (privacy - WTF is that about - who is taking a shower in their cars?) is that people want it black as night all round because they want to feel like some sort of gangster, or to be able to drive wankily and not have other people be able to see them, but UK law stops them getting it all round so they get it for the bit of the car they don't actually sit in, and make it look like a van.
Martin

Privacy glass is shit, of that there is no doubt.

However.  Lighter shades of 'Sun Protection Glass' as fitted to our 130i and Passat didn't look too obvious and/or bad at all and it made a big difference for the kids as it stopped both heat and glare.

The biggest benefit was not having to fit horrendous sun shades, even the plain ones look crap and the thought of defacing my car with a Disney (or similar)...well, it doesn't bare thinking about!!
PG

I have heard various justifications for the dark rear privacy glass from - people can't stare at my children; people can't see things I've left on the rear seats; it is cooler as it keeps the sun out.

Re the first one, I wonder if like Michael Jackson they cover their children with a sack in the street? Somehow I doubt it.

Re the second, just put stuff in the boot you lazy fuckwit.

Re the third - normal tints reflect solar rays almost as well. And you probably have aircon?

And if it makes you feel like a film star, that's only if you are in the back. If you're in the front, then you're the chauffeur. Not so "cool" then?

We had a hire car in Germany with ultra-dark rear glass. The rear seat passengers complained it was as dark as a tomb in there and couldn't really see out very well.

And that's before you get to the fact it looks shit.
Martin

PG wrote:
Re the third - normal tints reflect solar rays almost as well. And you probably have aircon?


I've had cars with and without and no they don't, there's a significant difference.  

I agree with your other points!
Tim

Our original Stilo had graduated tinted glass so the front door windows were slightly green, the rear ones a bit darker and the rearmost side windows were darker again but it doesn't really show up in the photos.


PG wrote:
And if it makes you feel like a film star, that's only if you are in the back. If you're in the front, then you're the chauffeur. Not so "cool" then?


Going back to the Stilo again it had the 'Skyroof' sunroof and if you wound it all the way back it was far enough to enable you to stand up behind the front seats.
I'm not sure doing that made you feel like a film star though, more Mussolini or Hitler  
Racing Teatray

Alf McQueef wrote:
I'm not going to sit on the fence on this one, I think all privacy glass looks totally and utterly shit in all instances, I also can't stand heavily smoked light covers - I see some these days that are so dark you can barely see the lights on at night.

I assume the deal with privacy glass (privacy - WTF is that about - who is taking a shower in their cars?) is that people want it black as night all round because they want to feel like some sort of gangster, or to be able to drive wankily and not have other people be able to see them, but UK law stops them getting it all round so they get it for the bit of the car they don't actually sit in, and make it look like a van.


I preferred the look of the rear of my black M135i with the black rear glass. On any other colour, I'd not have bothered.

Also BMW wouldn't allow me to select the graduated tint windscreen without the rear tints.
PR

I have no problem with rear privacy glass - my car has it and I'd probably spec it on a new car (especially as it's often part of a package). Where it becomes a problem is the typical aftermarket 'drug dealer' heavy tint being applied to all the glass - including sometimes the windscreen!
Mark

PR wrote:
I have no problem with rear privacy glass - my car has it and I'd probably spec it on a new car (especially as it's often part of a package). Where it becomes a problem is the typical aftermarket 'drug dealer' heavy tint being applied to all the glass - including sometimes the windscreen!


Totally agree. As I would.

It really does make a big difference in keeping the car cool too.
Alf McQueef

PG wrote:



Is this stuff in the picture the acceptable (to some) heavy tint or the gangster aftermarket privacy glass? Because it looks pretty bloody dark (and horrible) to me!

The main issue for me is it looking different on different windows. I don't really follow the keeping the car cooler argument on a coupe either! Who is in the back? And what's wrong with the air con?

I think what the defenders are really saying is they wish they had bought an MPV styled to look like a van †
JohnC

I don't really mind the tint but I certainly wouldn't spec it from new. I agree with Racing that the M135i looks better with a tint and we find it very useful in my friend's Citroen when we have the back seats down for the golf clubs because they can't be seen.

There are very few 6 Series without the tint but it wouldn't sway me one way or the other from the right car.
Nice Guy Eddie

Mark wrote:
The 6er is one of the best looking cars on the road IMO.


I know I'm in the minority here but one of the best looking cars on the road? Seriously

For the money they look too boring and its hardly the last word in ultimate driving machine to make up for it.
Andy C

I don't like tints on any car, and made sure I found a focus that didn't have them!
Mark

Alf McQueef wrote:
PG wrote:



Is this stuff in the picture the acceptable (to some) heavy tint or the gangster aftermarket privacy glass? Because it looks pretty bloody dark (and horrible) to me!

The main issue for me is it looking different on different windows. I don't really follow the keeping the car cooler argument on a coupe either! Who is in the back? And what's wrong with the air con?

I think what the defenders are really saying is they wish they had bought an MPV styled to look like a van †


The keeping cool comment is referring to when the car is sitting in a car park for hours on a hot day - at Goodwood this year for example. The Sun Protection Glass makes up around half the glasshouse on my car and it is a lot cooler than the Jaguar was.

I would never, ever buy a car with any tinting added as an aftermarket modification. I also do think that the BMW glass looks much darker in photo's for some reason.
Mark

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Mark wrote:
The 6er is one of the best looking cars on the road IMO.


I know I'm in the minority here but one of the best looking cars on the road? Seriously

For the money they look too boring and its hardly the last word in ultimate driving machine to make up for it.


Yep - part of a very long list of good looking cars in my head admittedly, but in the right colour & spec, definitely in there.

Have you driven one?
JohnC

Mark wrote:


Have you driven one?


If that question is directed at me, no I haven't but I have had a passenger ride. Someone I know also drives cars between dealers and to clients for a living. Most of his work is Porsche, BMW, Audi etc and he really rates the 640D against all the other exotica he drives although he is pounding motorways instead of country lanes.
Nice Guy Eddie

I think it was directed at me.

surprisingly I haven't but when did giving an opinion on something I have no knowledge of ever stop me.

I'm sure its a decent steer but I see it as nothing more then a 5 series with a slippery body. I'd probably therefore prefer something like a 550i (do you still get these in BMW land?)

Can I be perverse and suggest a Panamera?
Mark

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
I think it was directed at me.

surprisingly I haven't but when did giving an opinion on something I have no knowledge of ever stop me.

I'm sure its a decent steer but I see it as nothing more then a 5 series with a slippery body. I'd probably therefore prefer something like a 550i (do you still get these in BMW land?)

Can I be perverse and suggest a Panamera?


I wasn't being facetious - it's just that I haven't read anything specifically bad about the 6 Series other than slightly numb steering (electric rack - very few great ones) and a fairly harsh ride (M Sports generally do). Just didn't know if you'd had another experience.
Nice Guy Eddie

Sorry it was my poor attempt at humour but reading it back it comes across as being something else.

I'm in no doubt that its nice to drive just not something to get me very excited and at this price level, I think they start at over 60K then its just doesn't look anything special and I guess drive like a 5 series. Not that there's anything wrong with a 5 series but they're not 60k.

Edited to add, if you need 4 useable seats and have a budged of 40K I don't know where my money would go.

Maseratis in both Quattroporte and GT flavours are a nice idea but not something I would trust as my only car. Jag XK's are probably too small as are 911's. A cheap Conti GT? or is that a bit Rymans premier league?
Tim

No to the Conti.
£40k+useable seats = M5.

Or several cars totalling £40k if it were me  
Alf McQueef

I had another, similar 116d on Friday - a Sport this time. I only drive home and back but it was much the same - the much bigger tyres were noticeably noisier and the ride stiffer but still very good. I preferred the 5 door layout. The steering was still horrible and worse than my first gen electric steering E90. Economy was superb, I was going to compare the journey in it to pick up mine with the journey home, but it was stop start the whole way (M3 southbound on a Friday night) and I still got 55MPG. It was on 40mpg from a cold start by the time I got to the M3 2 miles from here, mine would be on half that by then!

It still felt too small though. And the iDrive totally confused me this time. I could not stop the big screen either showing a list of radio stations or "no CD" whatever I did with the dash or steering wheel buttons. In the two 30-mins trips I did in the car I completely forgot about the big button thingy between the seats, showing how unintuitive this whole modern nonsense is. And having the big screen there permanently I find incredibly distracting - it must be dangerous just pissing about with the settings rather than watching the road. When navigating it makes sense, othewise, lose the screen - like in the old one where it dropped away.

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