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Twelfth Monkey

Big screen mobiles.

Not an area of speciality for me, so I'll ask.

I'd ideally like to replace my mobile with something with a larger screen.  Current one is 5", and 5.5" doesn't seem hugely bigger, unsurprisingly.  I see 5.7" and the odd 6" one on the market, but there's a lot of Chinese stuff I haven't heard of (including the improbably-named Padgene at Amazon), and a few big names at big prices.

I won't stretch the processing capabilities of anything - I don't stream video or require massive processing power I don't think.  The main thing is that the apps I use would benefit from a bigger screen, ditto the odd bit of browsing I do with it.

At the moment I am concluding that there's not a lot worth me spunking a good few hundred quid on - anyone have any views on devices of this size?
Bob Sacamano

Samsung Galaxy Note would be right up your street. The Note7 may be more than you want to pay but you might be able to pick an earlier model cheaper.
I've got the Galaxy S7 Edge and it's the best phone I've ever had.
Michael

Chris M Wanted a V-10

Why not go the whole hog and get a 7 or 8 inch tablet with 3G SIM capability ???
A lot cheaper than a mobile phone too
Nice Guy Eddie

Got an iPhone 6 Plus. It might be expensive but it's arguably the best phone on the market and in 2 to 3 years time you'll get half your money back against a new one.
Humphrey The Pug

I would look at a Galaxy S7 Edge, wife has an S6 (normal), she is very pleased with it and I've had a play and am very impressed.

My LG G3; 5.5" screen, is due to be upgraded in a couple of weeks and due to fantastic reviews and based on the wife's experience of her S6 my mind is 95% made up on the S7 Edge which has a 5.5" screen.

If you look at iPhone you'll need to go up to the 64gb which pushes the price up, plus it is a physically larger phone than the Edge 7, even though the screen is the same size; 5mm wider and 7mm longer.

If you want even larger then a Nexus 6P; 6" screen, is another to consider.
Martin

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Got an iPhone 6 Plus. It might be expensive but it's arguably the best phone on the market and in 2 to 3 years time you'll get half your money back against a new one.


+1 I've got a personal 6S and a Work Samsung and thing the iPhone is much better.  Admittedly I'm used to the Apple interface, but it just work better.
simonp

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
If you want even larger then a Nexus 6P; 6" screen, is another to consider.


6P isn't a 6", only 5.7.

The Chinese like a big one, so quite a few of their manufacturers make super-sized phones, but most aren't available officially over here. Xiaomi Mi Max, Huawei MediaPad M2 and Honor Note 8, plus the Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra are all over 6" .
Humphrey The Pug

simonp wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
If you want even larger then a Nexus 6P; 6" screen, is another to consider.


6P isn't a 6", only 5.7.

The Chinese like a big one, so quite a few of their manufacturers make super-sized phones, but most aren't available officially over here. Xiaomi Mi Max, Huawei MediaPad M2 and Honor Note 8, plus the Asus Zenfone 3 Ultra are all over 6" .


You are correct, not sure how I got that wrong especially as I've been considering one; the Nexus 6N from a couple of years back was 6", that's probably why.

The only thing with the Chinese offerings is I've heard a few horror stories about customer service issues if things go a bit tits up and the build and quality can be a bit hit and miss.
Racing Teatray

I have a personal iPhone 5 which is getting on a bit these days (2013 I think) and a work iPhone 6. The screen on the latter is much better and big enough. I have checked out the Plus version and it's too big.

That said I have noticed that the latest Samsung phones take considerably better photos. Especially in low light.
franki68

I've got an iPhone 6+ and not sure I could go back to a normal sized phone.
Everything is better with it,browsing ,typing ,video, sex etc.
Big Blue

I'm looking at buying a Punkt phone to wean myself off if all the phone gazing.....

https://www.punkt.ch/en/products/mp01-mobile-phone/#null
Bob Sacamano

Big Blue wrote:
I'm looking at buying a Punkt phone to wean myself off if all the phone gazing.....

https://www.punkt.ch/en/products/mp01-mobile-phone/#null


They're having a laugh with that price, £49 would be more realistic.
Humphrey The Pug

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I'm looking at buying a Punkt phone to wean myself off if all the phone gazing.....

https://www.punkt.ch/en/products/mp01-mobile-phone/#null


They're having a laugh with that price, £49 would be more realistic.


Love that the blurb calls it "stylish"!!
Giant

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I'm looking at buying a Punkt phone to wean myself off if all the phone gazing.....

https://www.punkt.ch/en/products/mp01-mobile-phone/#null


They're having a laugh with that price, £49 would be more realistic.


Love that the blurb calls it "stylish"!!


I bet the hipsters are already lapping them up, even at that price.
Martin

That would go well with Blarnos hipster watch.
PG

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I'm looking at buying a Punkt phone to wean myself off if all the phone gazing.....

https://www.punkt.ch/en/products/mp01-mobile-phone/#null


They're having a laugh with that price, £49 would be more realistic.


They probably looked at what old Nokias go for on eBay and thought, "we're going to have some of that...".
Big Blue

I've got a watch that currently retails for several thousand pounds. It doesn't make phone calls and keeps time less reliably than a Chinese quartz watch issued free with petrol tokens so clearly price is immaterial in most things in the 1st world!
simonp

Exactly. My toothbrush costs more than that phone. (if you're daft enough to pay the RRP, that is)
Twelfth Monkey

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I'm looking at buying a Punkt phone to wean myself off if all the phone gazing.....

https://www.punkt.ch/en/products/mp01-mobile-phone/#null


They're having a laugh with that price, £49 would be more realistic.


Looks like an old calculator.
Twelfth Monkey

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Samsung Galaxy Note would be right up your street. The Note7 may be more than you want to pay but you might be able to pick an earlier model cheaper.
I've got the Galaxy S7 Edge and it's the best phone I've ever had.


Does look good, but I can't make myself shell out £4-500 for an extra 1/2" of screen.  And I have tried!
Twelfth Monkey

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Why not go the whole hog and get a 7 or 8 inch tablet with 3G SIM capability ???
A lot cheaper than a mobile phone too


I did ask the chimp at Carphone Shitehouse about that, but he didn't even mention this as an option.  Do you know of anyone who's gone down this road, Chris?
Frank Bullitt

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Why not go the whole hog and get a 7 or 8 inch tablet with 3G SIM capability ???
A lot cheaper than a mobile phone too


I did ask the chimp at Carphone Shitehouse about that, but he didn't even mention this as an option.  Do you know of anyone who's gone down this road, Chris?


We got a number of these at work and I was asked to give it a go, it was the Samsung one (not sure on the exact name); as something to use for surfing and aps it was brilliant, but it has two major flaws; firstly, it's so big carrying it was a challenge without walking around with it in your hand - secondly, using it as a phone gave you two options - awkwardly holding it against your ear (and probably looking like a prick) or secondly making every call on the speaker phone and looking like an apprentice reject. I gave up after a couple of weeks and went back to my Samsung Galaxy Note which is a much better solution
Michael

Frank Bullitt wrote:
- secondly, using it as a phone gave you two options - awkwardly holding it against your ear (and probably looking like a prick) or secondly making every call on the speaker phone and looking like an apprentice reject. I gave up after a couple of weeks and went back to my Samsung Galaxy Note which is a much better solution


You have two other options. Use the earphones to take the call like plenty of people do anyway or walk around with a Bluetooth headset on - people will think you're from the future.
Humphrey The Pug

Michael wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
- secondly, using it as a phone gave you two options - awkwardly holding it against your ear (and probably looking like a prick) or secondly making every call on the speaker phone and looking like an apprentice reject. I gave up after a couple of weeks and went back to my Samsung Galaxy Note which is a much better solution


You have two other options. Use the earphones to take the call like plenty of people do anyway or walk around with a Bluetooth headset on - people will think you're a knob


Fixed that for you!
Bob Sacamano

Martin wrote:
Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Got an iPhone 6 Plus. It might be expensive but it's arguably the best phone on the market and in 2 to 3 years time you'll get half your money back against a new one.


+1 I've got a personal 6S and a Work Samsung and thing the iPhone is much better.  Admittedly I'm used to the Apple interface, but it just work better.


I think it comes down to what you're used to. I've always had Samsungs and Mrs. Sacamano iPhones. I set them all up and use both and prefer the Samsung - add in the fragility of the iPhone and the fact Apple only give you a one year warranty compared to Samsung's two, and the fact the iPhones always seem to go wrong around the 14 month mark means we won't be getting another.
PG

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I think it comes down to what you're used to. I've always had Samsungs and Mrs. Sacamano iPhones.


I'd agree with that. I converted to an iPhone 6 from my Blackberry and have got used to it. I recently tried a new Blackberry Priv (on Android) and there are some things that seem to work better on an android and some on an ios device.

Biggest thing for me was that I could  not find an email app for android that I liked.
Frank Bullitt

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Michael wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
- secondly, using it as a phone gave you two options - awkwardly holding it against your ear (and probably looking like a prick) or secondly making every call on the speaker phone and looking like an apprentice reject. I gave up after a couple of weeks and went back to my Samsung Galaxy Note which is a much better solution


You have two other options. Use the earphones to take the call like plenty of people do anyway or walk around with a Bluetooth headset on - people will think you're a knob


Fixed that for you!


You read my mind!
Michael

I'm glad irony isn't dead...
Humphrey The Pug

Michael wrote:
I'm glad irony isn't dead...


I reckon you are one of them Michael......a Bluetooth ear piece wearer I think?!
Frank Bullitt

Michael wrote:
I'm glad irony isn't dead...


It was spotted!
Michael

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Michael wrote:
I'm glad irony isn't dead...


I reckon you are one of them Michael......a Bluetooth ear piece wearer I think?!


No, it's a hearing aid on account of being deaf.
Bob Sacamano

Michael wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Michael wrote:
I'm glad irony isn't dead...


I reckon you are one of them Michael......a Bluetooth ear piece wearer I think?!


No, it's a hearing aid on account of being deaf.


Pardon?
Michael

Never heard that one before. Another benefit of deafness.
Big Blue

In the late 90s I was on a project at Ericsson and one Project Manager used to sit at his desk, feet up on it, with a headset on for his phone calls. No one else did that then so he became known as "Headset Ha___" (his surname). Which was all the funnier as he was a bit of a pole climbing knob.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Why not go the whole hog and get a 7 or 8 inch tablet with 3G SIM capability ???
A lot cheaper than a mobile phone too

Do you know of anyone who's gone down this road, Chris?

Nope !  TBH I don't think it's practical to do so as a bloke, because where would you put it unless you had a reasonably sized man-bag? For a lady with a handbag, it may be a different matter
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
I've got a watch that currently retails for several thousand pounds. It doesn't make phone calls and keeps time less reliably than a Chinese quartz watch issued free with petrol tokens so clearly price is immaterial in most things in the 1st world!


Maybe, but you must see that that phone is a joke!
PhilD

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Why not go the whole hog and get a 7 or 8 inch tablet with 3G SIM capability ???
A lot cheaper than a mobile phone too

Do you know of anyone who's gone down this road, Chris?

Nope !  TBH I don't think it's practical to do so as a bloke, because where would you put it unless you had a reasonably sized man-bag? For a lady with a handbag, it may be a different matter


Something I wasn't expecting but which is pretty cool is that my ipad rings if the phone is on the same wifi. I also use it to make facetime calls to mini D at bedtime, well she uses it as it's kind of her ipad...
Big Blue

PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I've got a watch that currently retails for several thousand pounds. It doesn't make phone calls and keeps time less reliably than a Chinese quartz watch issued free with petrol tokens so clearly price is immaterial in most things in the 1st world!


Maybe, but you must see that that phone is a joke!


I'm gonna buy one just cause I can.....

I agree its price point is £100 too much but that reflects the expected sales numbers as opposed to any cost-of-posiness which is £100 of the remaining cost.
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I've got a watch that currently retails for several thousand pounds. It doesn't make phone calls and keeps time less reliably than a Chinese quartz watch issued free with petrol tokens so clearly price is immaterial in most things in the 1st world!


Maybe, but you must see that that phone is a joke!


I'm gonna buy one just cause I can.....

I agree its price point is £100 too much but that reflects the expected sales numbers as opposed to any cost-of-posiness which is £100 of the remaining cost.


I've read the stuff a couple of times and still don't get it. There USP seems to be that smart phones do loads of amazing things and are cheap so here's one which doesn't and isn't. It's so blatantly a con, so what am I missing?
Michael

Big Blue wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I've got a watch that currently retails for several thousand pounds. It doesn't make phone calls and keeps time less reliably than a Chinese quartz watch issued free with petrol tokens so clearly price is immaterial in most things in the 1st world!


Maybe, but you must see that that phone is a joke!


I'm gonna buy one just cause I can.....


Good for you, life is too short to piss money away in a bank.
Humphrey The Pug

I can see that phone advertised at the back of a Sunday supplement in a year's time for sale for £29.99, along with draw string beige trousers; £14.99, grey slip on shoes; £24.99 and those heated things that keep your feet warm whilst you are sat in your favourite upright chair.

Exactly the sort of crap that my dad would have bought!!
Bob Sacamano

PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I've got a watch that currently retails for several thousand pounds. It doesn't make phone calls and keeps time less reliably than a Chinese quartz watch issued free with petrol tokens so clearly price is immaterial in most things in the 1st world!


Maybe, but you must see that that phone is a joke!


I'm gonna buy one just cause I can.....

I agree its price point is £100 too much but that reflects the expected sales numbers as opposed to any cost-of-posiness which is £100 of the remaining cost.


I've read the stuff a couple of times and still don't get it. There USP seems to be that smart phones do loads of amazing things and are cheap so here's one which doesn't and isn't. It's so blatantly a con, so what am I missing?


It's a novelty item to amuse friends and colleagues for 5 minutes, before being consigned to the back of a drawer with the old Nokias.
Big Blue

Bob Sacamano wrote:


It's a novelty item to amuse friends and colleagues for 5 minutes, before being consigned to the back of a drawer with the old Nokias.


Agreed. So is that Logitech One remote I've got that does all the remotes in one place. Instantly redundant when my LG came with a magic Wand remote and the Panasonics and AppleTV all run off the iPhone via Apps. It's trying to remind us of the tactile niceties of yesteryear in an age when everything is just a glass sheet. Why else are all the high end cars now coming with analogue clocks if not trying to throw back to the red flag era?
Twelfth Monkey

Logitech's stuff never did what it was supposed to, I tried one and took it back.  A good learning remote is a thing of wonder, and has a large touch screen and hard buttons for things like volume, channel, muting etc.  I have been using a Philips Pronto for a few years and wonder what I'll do after it eventually expires - the market was very small for such things so they were considerably dearer than the market would generally bear - but they were worth it, at least if you have a complex system.  I know there'll be app-based things and I'm sure they'll work, but it'll be a step back.

For example, going from all off to selecting something to watch from the hard drive is a twelve-stage process, switching everything on and selecting correct inputs for amp etc.  And things wake up at slightly different rates, so the required pauses are all built in so one touch of a button does it all and sets the remote to a pre-configured screen customised to the hard drive.  Similar buttons do all the switchings on and off, changing of inputs etc to move between TV, hard drive, blu ray etc.  But hey, that's just me...


Regarding the phone, I think I'll leave it for now - I have the feeling that 6" will become the norm for the bigger phones as time passes, and I'm too mean to pay top dollar now.
simonp

The Motorola Nexus 6 has been the only mainstream 6" phone and it sold like cold cakes. Most thought it was too big and I think the 5.2-5.7" range will prevail.
Big Blue

Note 7s will be going cheap......or going bang....

Samsung recalls Note 7 flagship over explosive batteries
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37253742
simonp

Weird. I'd have thought the battery would've been the same one as in the S7 Edge. Must be the charging circuit that is faulty. Wonder why it wasn't noticed in testing?
simonp

Prolly a bit late, but I spotted one of these in a store the other day. Nasty name and the screen wasn't massively high res, but it was whizzy enough when I had a play with it. Cheap, too!

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5782000.htm
gooner

Big Blue wrote:
Note 7s will be going cheap......or going bang....

Samsung recalls Note 7 flagship over explosive batteries
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37253742


They've now recalled the replacements too and have pulled the phone from sale completely with the likelihood that it won't go back on sale. Their share price lost 8% as a result. That's an expensive oversight!
Humphrey The Pug

I find it odd that a company of Samsung's size and knowledge could get something so wrong, shame as by all accounts it is a bloody good phone.
Bob Sacamano

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
I find it odd that a company of Samsung's size and knowledge could get something so wrong, shame as by all accounts it is a bloody good phone.


Yes, something weird going on there. I know Apple have had similar problems but managed to keep it quiet.
Humphrey The Pug

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
I find it odd that a company of Samsung's size and knowledge could get something so wrong, shame as by all accounts it is a bloody good phone.


Yes, something weird going on there. I know Apple have had similar problems but managed to keep it quiet.


I have read that it may be linked to the new USB-C connector, this enables much faster charging, it has been said that maybe the battery cannot take the rate of charge, there are other phones with this connector, however the rate of charge is far lower.

I wasn't aware that Apple had this issue, I guess it was discovered in-house, before the general public got hold.

Upgrade in a couple of weeks, I'm seriously leaning towards the iPhone 7+ now, the double lens camera intrigues me and I do like the simplicity of iOS, also my Galaxy Tab S is being a bitch at the mo; freezing, running slow so it may be an opportunity to replace that with an iPad Air 2 at the same time and do a full move back to Apple.
Bob Sacamano

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
I find it odd that a company of Samsung's size and knowledge could get something so wrong, shame as by all accounts it is a bloody good phone.


Yes, something weird going on there. I know Apple have had similar problems but managed to keep it quiet.


I have read that it may be linked to the new USB-C connector, this enables much faster charging, it has been said that maybe the battery cannot take the rate of charge, there are other phones with this connector, however the rate of charge is far lower.

I wasn't aware that Apple had this issue, I guess it was discovered in-house, before the general public got hold.


Perhaps, I am amazed at how fast my Galaxy 7 Edge charges when in fast charge mode.
Big Blue

So fast charging may be causing these fires?

Still looking forward to electric cars?
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Originally it was claimed that several battery manufacturers made batteries for Samsung, and only the batteries from one manufacturer were proving to be problematic.  However it ow appears that the rate of charge may be to blame.

Samsung is apparently still a family-owned and run business and its turnover is alleged to represent about 20% of South Korea's GDP, so the consequences will be significant for the country as well as the company.... they make ships and a whole load of other stuff too.
simonp

Quite a few of the smoking phones weren't on charge at the time of going pop...
Tim

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Samsung is apparently still a family-owned and run business and its turnover is alleged to represent about 20% of South Korea's GDP, so the consequences will be significant for the country as well as the company.... they make ships and a whole load of other stuff too.


I think that's the reason their share price didn't drop so far - phones is a relatively small part of their business and I doubt there's a link between phone exploding and, say, ships sinking!
PG

simonp wrote:
Quite a few of the smoking phones weren't on charge at the time of going pop...


True. But Lithium batteries are pretty unstable things, so if it has been damaged by fast charging, it could overheat later on.

Electric vehicle batteries have cooling systems to mitigate against overheating.

I've read a few articles that suggest that phone manufacturers are probably reaching the limits of the battery capability to make ever more power hungry phones without size increases or cooling systems / heatsinks.
Bob Sacamano

Samsung is a huge corporation, they're even involved in building the new Biomass plant on Teesside. They also supply a lot of other phone makers with components too - Apple for one, so a hit in the sales of their own phones would be offset to a degree by this. That said it will probably go down in history as one of the great cock ups. I expect the Note 8 to be on accelerated development now.
Humphrey The Pug

I was told that the launch of the Galaxy S8 may be brought forward.

Analysts are saying that this Note issue may drive some to Apple, I can't really see it myself as they are quite different phones.
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
So fast charging may be causing these fires?

Still looking forward to electric cars?


Him has one on order.
Big Blue

PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
So fast charging may be causing these fires?

Still looking forward to electric cars?


Him has one on order.


I hope he has a burning desire to own one.

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