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DarthBalls

Applying the handbrake/parking brake

How do you do this?

I've always had cars with manual handbrakes and always depress the button when pulling the brake on.

I do know a lot of people who just yank the brake on without depressing the button but the sound that makes always makes me think 'that can't be healthy for the car'.

Oh yes - and are electric parking brakes the ultimate in FG?
TreVoR

I was always tought to press the button and still do so.

I don't really trust electric parking brakes that much.  They also make for jerky hill starts - at the least the one in the Scenics that I have had several times as a hire car do as there is a delay when you release the clutch.
Boxer6

Always depress the button. My dad always told me horror stories of the ratchet wearing out and costing megabucks to fix! Not especially true, I know, but it got the message across. (I was 5 or something!)
marcg

I put it on whilst pressing the button. Then I yank it up another notch to stop the car moving!
Blarno

The noise is only the ratchet. You'd need to do some serious yanking to wear the ratchet out. I don't pay any attention to how I put the handbrake on, I just put it on...
DarthBalls

marcg wrote:
I put it on whilst pressing the button. Then I yank it up another notch to stop the car moving!


I had to do that when I had my Fiat.
marcg

Apparently it's because the handbrake operates a small drum brake whereas the foot brakes operates the discs (disks?) and since I don't do many handbrake turns the handbrake pads never wear enough to be replaced, hence harden and are less effective.
DarthBalls

The Seicento had drums at the rear would the handbrake just engage them?
Humphrey The Pug

Tina's car I push the button in, my car the handbrake is electronic!
him

marcg wrote:
Apparently it's because the handbrake operates a small drum brake whereas the foot brakes operates the discs (disks?)

Not always...  The Saxo's handbrake operates the discs  and is hopeless as a result!  

Always press the button in (haven't we had this question before?)

The Scenic (like 'Humphreys' is electronic)
Blarno

"him" wrote:
marcg wrote:
Apparently it's because the handbrake operates a small drum brake whereas the foot brakes operates the discs (disks?)

Not always...  The Saxo's handbrake operates the discs  and is hopeless as a result!  

Always press the button in (haven't we had this question before?)

The Scenic (like 'Humphreys' is electronic)


My Mi16 operated directly on the discs. That was crap too. Come to think of it, it was the same on my 309 GTi and I ended up chasing that down a hill to prevent it crashing through someone's wall....
BeN

I always thought the button has to be pressed in order to activate the handbrake, until I was taught otherwise by my driving instructor.

I guess habit has since set in and I've become lazy, but I just yank it without pressing the button.

I have never driven a car without a normal handbrake. Can't imagine that being an enjoyable experience.

Funnily enough, when I was a wee kid, I always worried about not having enough strength to pull the handbrake when I could drive, because I was just a skinny young lad...
Nice Guy Eddie

I've only ever driven cars with a standard handbrake, These electronic systems seem to be pointless and less effective then a normal handbrake yet I fear its a route that all manufacturers will eventually go down.
The worst system I've used was on the Mercedes with their foot operated brake and dash release handle. I've also driven an old Porsche 356 that you yank out from under the dash and then have to twist and release which was a pain to use.
Changed My Name

DarthBalls wrote:
The Seicento had drums at the rear would the handbrake just engage them?


Yes, but it's probably on a separate mechanism. MY old Fiesta had drums too, and I pulled the handbrake when leaving an underground car park and the cable snapped. I had to hold it on the clutch, but the foot brake was still fine.

In relation to the original question, I press the button.
kraftwerk

I agree with Blarno. It's a ratchet; it's not made of custard. Stop being so gay about the button thing.
Scouse

Jeeves - just pull the leaver.
THGT - push the pedal down. I hate that dash release for mercs and the horrible clunking sound it makes when you release it.
Bigger Regie - Just turn the engine off and it applies automatically. If applying in traffic it's so easier to pull the little flap. Don't think I've ever manually released the handbrake as it disengages as so as there is sufficent load on the clutch to start moving the car.
..

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who detests the Merc system. It just seems so crude and I can not imagine why they use it and it must make manual gearbox ones pretty much undividable. I did sit in a manual once and once I looked at the parking brake system I refused to drive it.

I always press the button, doing so is not gay it is simply doing things properly.
Blarno

The button is merely a release for the ratchet......
Resident Spanner

But it also prevents wear on the ratchet teeth....


Drums at the back of mine, and as a result, it will hold to the limit of the tyres with the handbrake on 2-clicks.

Makes for great fun around the gravel track up at the workshop....
Blarno

You'd only wear it out if you were giving it a constant hard yanking, though. (Snigger, snigger...)
Resident Spanner

It'll wear not matter how softly you yank it as the pressure is exerted by the spring....
kraftwerk

Resident Spanner wrote:
It'll wear not matter how softly you yank it as the pressure is exerted by the spring....

By such an infinitesimally small amount as to be inconsequential. When did you ever hear of a handbrake ratchet failing due to wear from not pushing the fucking button?!
Resident Spanner

You'd think that but I've had to re-cut the ratchet on the Brava 'cause it kept slipping off.
Also had to recut the ratchet tooth on the 306's glovebox, and that won't have been used anywhere near as much as a handbrake!


If it's a town car, over 100,000 miles the handbrake will have been applied a similar amount of times - that's a fair bit of wear either way!
DarthBalls

Rodge wrote:
Yes, but it's probably on a separate mechanism. MY old Fiesta had drums too, and I pulled the handbrake when leaving an underground car park and the cable snapped. I had to hold it on the clutch, but the foot brake was still fine.


That makes sense - the exact same thing happened to me leaving a car park in my Seicento.
DarthBalls

kraftwerk wrote:
Stop being so gay about the button thing.


Says the man who drinks perry and dresses from head to toe in leather....
Boxer6

I always remember looking out of our kitchen window one day, and seeing my dad's Fiat 132 sitting in the middle of the road! The handbrake worked on the rear discs on that, too. Mind you, it didn't have any drum brakes!!!

Funnily enough, his 132 was a '76, whereas my Mirafiori was a '75 with drums..............

.......progress is not always a good thing.
Big TC

During my training to become a driving instructor, I was told that to put a handbrake on without pressing the button in would result in a fail on a test.... the reason was cited as unneccessary mechanical stress being put on the ratchet (FFS!). So ever since, I use the button.

I once tried to do a handbrake turn in my Citroen C5 on a nice patch of gravel.... I didn't realise that the handbrake on them operates on the front wheels. D'oh...

And yes, we've had this question before, I believe.
him

Big TC wrote:
I once tried to do a handbrake turn in my Citroen C5 on a nice patch of gravel.... I didn't realise that the handbrake on them operates on the front wheels. D'oh...



We had a guy in the office that didn't know that about his either...  did you try again in reverse?  
Big TC

No, I never thought about that. Would have made a J-turn a bit easier.
Stuntman

Push button, pull handbrake lever, release button.
Most of the time, anyway.
Tim

alan wrote:
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who detests the Merc system.


They've got it on their bloody vans as well
Gooner

I was told to apply the handbrake in the Civic by just pulling it until they could carry out the recall work on it. Apparently they could suffer failure if applied using the button. Of course as I grew up with a dad who always had old car I am well practiced in leaving the car in gear when parked so handbrake failure isn't so much of a problem.

Does anyone else leave their car in gear as a habit or am I the only one? Sorry if I've just highjacked the thread!
Stuntman

Yes, I do - and I suspect many others would say so too.
..

Often, yes.
Resident Spanner

Yes, habit from rallying.
him

Yes, I always leave the car in gear... in fact on a steep hill I will 'rest the car on the gearbox' and then apply the handbrake (with the button held in!)
Resident Spanner

That probably works better than your handbrake anyway
him

Very true...
Resident Spanner

You want to upgrade to some of these drum thingies
DaveGibson

I don't have a handbrake on the Lexus. It's a foot-operated parking brake. Press once to set and again to release but I only use it when stopped in traffic. When I park the car, I just put the gear selector in 'Park'.

On the TR, I press the button in and then pull it one more notch.
Resident Spanner

I've got 3 handbrakes now
DaveGibson

I bet you can't stop fiddling with them.
BeN

My dad leaves the car in gear if he drives our manual van, but I don't (seeing that I often drive an auto anyway).
DarthBalls

I normally leave my car in gear too.

I don't think you've hijacked the thread - it's a natural progression
DarthBalls

Fly-off handbrakes are another system that I like - the Morgan I drove had one of those - I don't think there was any ratchet but I could be wrong.
Boxer6

I always leave my car in gear - see post above for reasons!!
Resident Spanner

DarthBalls wrote:
Fly-off handbrakes are another system that I like - the Morgan I drove had one of those - I don't think there was any ratchet but I could be wrong.


Got one of those on the GT6, far more fun!

And no, I can't stop fiddling with my 2 knobs....
'G'

The Lexus applies it's own handbrake, then releases automatically.

No buttons no ratchette and no lever.

Though my Ignis does.....I press the button on that to operate it, though it really doesn't matter. The ratchette is make to be used like this and the button a mere release.

Having said that, it sounds horrible and terribly unprofessional.
Roadsterstu

ALWAYS press the button so as not to wear the ratchet mechanism.
NEVER pull the handbrake up higher then it needs to be to hold the car on the slope you are currently on, so as not to excessively stretch the cable.

If I park on our drive at home, I don't usually use the handbrake.  The drive is flat so I just leave the car in gear.  I don't do it anywhere else though.

The GP has a hill holder function - I still mostly use the handbrake but every now and again I use the hill holder, just for the novelty if nothing else.
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