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franki68

Another amg

A mercedes gt-s to be precise.

Firstly I must stress traffic conditions allowed very limited opportunity to play,but it was enough to make up my mind as to how it rates.

Well it looks brilliant,the one I drove was a very dark red colour and it was a lovely looking thing.
Climbing inside and the first thing you notice is how hard it is to get in and out of,I remember the SLS was a nightmare ,and whilst this is easier,the sill is still too thick and access is awkward.
The next thing that hits you is that the windscreen is tiny,its like looking out of a letterbox,at first I worried that it would be off putting whilst driving ,but to be honest once I spent some time in it ,I barely noticed it.
The interior,well it looks lovely in photos but the reality is aside froma slightly different layout,it is identical in parts and finish to a c class interior.This is very nice on a £40-50k car,not so nice on a £140k car.
Its the same issue with the audi r8,and all porsches ,identical interiors from much cheaper cars.
I found the seats very supportive but very firm ,not as nice as the seats from the sl62 I tried a few months back.

On to the drive.Well firstly the ride is firm ,even in its softest setting it is firm ride,not uncomfortable but quite harsh for a merc.The steering at first feels lovely ,nice weight etc,but as I picked up speed it went very light,too light for my taste but its quick and direct,devoid of much feel though.Poor by AMG standards .
I cannot really comment on the handling ,it felt good,cornered flat ,plenty of grip and traction ,and the car attacks corners,it turns in really quick.

Now I get controversial 0-60 in 3.7s,0-100 in 7.9 or thereabouts in autocars roadtest ,this is seriously quick car.But it isnt ,honestly in auto mode if you floor the throttle there is a 2 second (I made the sales guy count as I did it) delay before anything happens ,and then when it did ,there was none of that sensation that you get from say a 911 turbo,or even the dbs ,I was not pushed back into the seat ,it was significantly slower than for example the sl63 .
Now I'm sure we've all read about how great the 4.0 engine is,trust me..it isnt.It is not aq patch on the 5.5 turbo amg unit which in turn is not a patch on the n/a 6.2 l engine.
Its very noisy ,but I was genuinely gutted as amg engines usually get me tingling.This is not a special engine.

Overall I was disappointed ,it is not worth 135k ,you can buy so many cars that are far better than that ,never mind at that amount you are into second hand 458s and mclarens.

In summary ,not great,if you must have the 4.0 amg engine,save yourself 50k and buy a c lass with it in.
Stuntman

Wow - I am surprised.  It's a car I really want to like, especially given the praise that most journos have heaped upon it.

How do you think it compares to an F-Type R in terms of power delivery, traction, interior and looks?
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
Wow - I am surprised. †It's a car I really want to like, especially given the praise that most journos have heaped upon it.

How do you think it compares to an F-Type R in terms of power delivery, traction, interior and looks?


As you know I'm a big Amg fan , so I was really surprised.as for the journos ,it has done well , but only Evo have given it the verdict in comparison tests ,usually the 991gts wins.
Not driven the jag so can't say.

I think the car was not a good example , I cannot believe the lack of pace ,maybe the engine was too new?
Nice Guy Eddie

I really like these, the nice lady at merc was keen to take my details when I told her I had a 911 so am hoping a drive offer might come through. I failed to mention I drive a rather old 911
franki68

Just coming back to this as I have an explanation for the lag I found.

Apparently in comfort mode it is prone to horrendous lag.Now the lesson here is if you have an amg drivers day make sure the salesman knows the car because clearly the guy should have known this as we were both bemused by the epic lag.
Stuntman

So are you going to have another go in it, to reappraise?
Don't tell me you're thinking of flipping the GT4 and getting one of these...
JohnC

franki68 wrote:
Just coming back to this as I have an explanation for the lag I found.

Apparently in comfort mode it is prone to horrendous lag.Now the lesson here is if you have an amg drivers day make sure the salesman knows the car because clearly the guy should have known this as we were both bemused by the epic lag.


Why do manufacturers do such stupid things - it's one of my biggest complaints in my car. In comfort (and EcoPro as you might expect) throttle response is softened although not anything like 2 seconds Franki found. In Sport, throttle response is great and just how I would like it all the time. The problem it also puts the gearbox into hyper mode and it's impossible to make smooth economical progress: it's either tuned for granny to go shopping or for a blast round the nearest track.

If everything was fully adjustable, you could get all the modes you want at the same time.
Martin

I agree, my preference would be for sport steering and throttle, but comfort gearbox (using paddles when necessary) when pressing on and sport steering only the rest of the time. † It's a bit hyperactive for a big estate in full on sport mode.

The throttle response in eco pro mode is awful.
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
So are you going to have another go in it, to reappraise?
Don't tell me you're thinking of flipping the GT4 and getting one of these...


No,nice looking car though,but its 70k more than the coupe with the same engine ,same interior .

The gt4 should be a keeper ,unless I dont like how it drivers  which is highly unlikely.The only other reason I will sell it is I have had an ongoing issue with my left hip/groin which  has improved significantly since I havent driven  a manual car for 3 months.If it comes back then I may have to say goodbye to driving manuals.
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
So are you going to have another go in it, to reappraise?
Don't tell me you're thinking of flipping the GT4 and getting one of these...


No,nice looking car though,but its 70k more than the coupe with the same engine ,same interior .

The gt4 should be a keeper ,unless I dont like how it drivers  which is highly unlikely.The only other reason I will sell it is I have had an ongoing issue with my left hip/groin which  has improved significantly since I havent driven  a manual car for 3 months.If it comes back then I may have to say goodbye to driving manuals.
franki68

JohnC wrote:
franki68 wrote:
Just coming back to this as I have an explanation for the lag I found.

Apparently in comfort mode it is prone to horrendous lag.Now the lesson here is if you have an amg drivers day make sure the salesman knows the car because clearly the guy should have known this as we were both bemused by the epic lag.


Why do manufacturers do such stupid things - it's one of my biggest complaints in my car. In comfort (and EcoPro as you might expect) throttle response is softened although not anything like 2 seconds Franki found. In Sport, throttle response is great and just how I would like it all the time. The problem it also puts the gearbox into hyper mode and it's impossible to make smooth economical progress: it's either tuned for granny to go shopping or for a blast round the nearest track.

If everything was fully adjustable, you could get all the modes you want at the same time.


I do not like adjustable stuff,suspension yes,but everything else no..adjustable steering ffs ...a well sorted car does not need such things.
Stuntman

I think that if the different throttle maps are well calibrated, then they're fine.  I'm perfectly happy with the different mappings in my two cars.  Leaving them in Normal (Cayman) or Comfort (M3) is fine for town and steady driving, whereas switching to Sport (Cayman) or Sport Plus (M3) sharpens things up a treat without being a problem to drive smoothly.

Agree on the steering, although in principle it should be great if done well, or allowing the driver to adjust it along a spectrum rather than offering setting A or setting B.  I've only experienced this on the M3 - and as I've said before, Comfort is a bit too light but Sport is artificially heavy and glutinous.  Therefore mine stays in Comfort all the time, but I'd prefer it if I could set it to about 40% of the way between the two.

Glad the GT4 intends to stay!
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
I think that if the different throttle maps are well calibrated, then they're fine. †I'm perfectly happy with the different mappings in my two cars. †Leaving them in Normal (Cayman) or Comfort (M3) is fine for town and steady driving, whereas switching to Sport (Cayman) or Sport Plus (M3) sharpens things up a treat without being a problem to drive smoothly.

Agree on the steering, although in principle it should be great if done well, or allowing the driver to adjust it along a spectrum rather than offering setting A or setting B. †I've only experienced this on the M3 - and as I've said before, Comfort is a bit too light but Sport is artificially heavy and glutinous. †Therefore mine stays in Comfort all the time, but I'd prefer it if I could set it to about 40% of the way between the two.

Glad the GT4 intends to stay!


If it ever arrives,appears to have been shipped via Sydney.
franki68

So as per the original post my test of the gt was limited ,and the salesguy said when I get our own demonstrator I will give you a call and you can have it for the day.
Now since I drove it it has won motor trend best drivers cart,and appeared on most car mags shortlist for best driver car,so I thought I am missing something here.
Anyway a call a few weeks back from the dealer who had a demonstration vehicle in and said I can have it for the day.Well today is the day and having used it for a good few hours I am convinced my intiital thoughts were correct,its lovely looking but I really do not like driving it .The engine is impressive but the ride ,steering and just way it feels its terrible..to the point I actually dislike it.

I will put some photos up later .
Alf McQueef

Interesting. The lag sounds weird - one of the things I like about the XFR's combination of big supercharged engine and well-tuned ZF gearbox is that the response is instant even in the normal gearbox/engine modes. The response is like lightning - both on the move and away from a standstill, lately I keep lighting up the rears when pulling away and when overtaking sometimes, as I still have the winters on.

A fast car has to feel fast, all the time, you don't want to feel like you are having to press loads of buttons before every time you want some "go". There is very little difference on the XFR between the normal and "dynamic" modes, and the gearbox is quite feisty in "drive" without making it hard to drive smoothly. Only "winter" mode eviscerates it, which is fair enough (as an aside, in winter mode it feels like the 330i did in "drive").  Often you are just pootling along then suddenly an overtake opens up, and you want the thing to feel like it has 500bhp. In my case, it does, with bells on. I was already a fan of ZF gearboxes, I am also now a fan of supercharging!

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