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Michael

Alfa Romeo Stelvio



http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...telvio-suv-revealed-la-motor-show
Tim

I don't mind that as much as I thought I would (before having seen it!).
It's certainly a lot better looking in photos than the various BMW Xs and the equivalent Merc although it does have a Mercesque rear end.
Twelfth Monkey

Hmm.  Great name.  Because of course when one thinks of sinuous switchbacks one immediately thinks SUV...
Michael

Without a sense of scale it could be a 147 replacement (can't remember what they call that now). Does look better than most.
Bob Sacamano

First glance I thought it was a 1 series.
Tim

Bob Sacamano wrote:
First glance I thought it was a 1 series.




The 147 replacement was the Giulietta wasn't it?
PhilD

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Hmm.  Great name.  Because of course when one thinks of sinuous switchbacks one immediately thinks SUV...


Yeah shouldn't it be climbing up the side of that mountain?
Frank Bullitt

Michael wrote:
Without a sense of scale it could be a 147 replacement (can't remember what they call that now). Does look better than most.


The article cites it as being Macan-size.

I quite like that but suspect it will be hideously expensive - at least it will have soul and passion.
Twelfth Monkey

PhilD wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Hmm.  Great name.  Because of course when one thinks of sinuous switchbacks one immediately thinks SUV...


Yeah shouldn't it be climbing up the side of that mountain?


Or trying to barge its way past?
Michael

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Michael wrote:
Without a sense of scale it could be a 147 replacement (can't remember what they call that now). Does look better than most.


The article cites it as being Macan-size.



Yes I get that. What I'm saying is looking at that picture if I was told it was the new 147 I could believe it as it looks more hatchback like than SUV from the front three quarters and without a context of scale.
The article reckons they'll start around £40k so not that bad, really.
Nice Guy Eddie

You wait all these years for one new Alfa and 2 come along at once. Maybe the great Alfa revival plan might actually happen after all!

I like the look of that, better certainly than  the Gulia, problem lies I guess in the price. The one you'll want will be as much as a Macan without the residuals so it'll be a brave buy and that's before you encounter the shit Alfa dealers.
Tim

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
You wait all these years for one new Alfa and 2 come along at once. Maybe the great Alfa revival plan might actually happen after all!


Re this, I was speaking to an Aberdeen based Alfisti (that sounds wrong, doesn't it) friend last night and he was bemoaning the fact that Alfa only have 2 dealers in Scotland - Inverness & Glasgow - which makes it a pain in the ass if you need any warranty work done (he uses an independent in Dundee for servicing).
The only light on the horizon is that Alfa UK have promised more dealers in the spring but even that silver lining has a cloud - they're likely to be Arnold Clark  
Grampa

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
You wait all these years for one new Alfa and 2 come along at once. Maybe the great Alfa revival plan might actually happen after all!

I like the look of that, better certainly than  the Gulia, problem lies I guess in the price. The one you'll want will be as much as a Macan without the residuals so it'll be a brave buy and that's before you encounter the shit Alfa dealers.



I've only ever had experience of three Alfa dealers and two were excellent with outstanding service (despite one being in London) and the third was still better than most.  And Alfa UK HQ could really show VW UK HQ the way to go with customer service.
Nice Guy Eddie

Its cost vs experience.

Alfa dealers want to charge £500 for a basic service and then have no items in stock and based from a group that's used to dealing with the Sale of Fiat Pandas rather than the demands of stealing sales from the likes of Porsche.
Blarno

Nope.
Nice Guy Eddie

I see that none of the cars shown today have floated your boat Blarno.

I understand where your coming from if its that all manufacturers are chasing the same middle ground. I don't want a luxury, sporty, hatch, SUV, hybrid, expensive, small engine weeny machine.

Anything recent that you do like?
Michael

I'm guessing the Mono?
PhilD

Is Trump launching a new car?
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

A bit "meh" to be honest. Maybe because there have been so many barely disguised photos, or maybe because it's so generic and unadventurous, which is unfortunate the day after Jaguar unveiled such a slice of gorgeousness.

I saw a non-QV Giulia last night - I liked that a lot.
Nice Guy Eddie

PhilD wrote:
Is Trump launching a new car?


If Trump were a car, would he not be a 5.0 V8 Mustang.
BeN

If this lets Alfa produce more gems like the 4C then yes please. But in general, nope.
PhilD

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Is Trump launching a new car?


If Trump were a car, would he not be a 5.0 V8 Mustang.


He'd make noises like a V8 but he's be packing an Ecoboost.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Is Trump launching a new car?

If Trump were a car, would he not be a 5.0 V8 Mustang.

Stretch Hummer H2 with Mansory/Kahn "styling"
Nice Guy Eddie

I was thinking more the 1980's version, the one Vanilla Ice drove in the classic music video Ice, Ice baby.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
I was thinking more the 1980's version, the one Vanilla Ice drove in the classic music video Ice, Ice baby.

Aha, lots of show, but a puny engine
gooner

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
I was thinking more the 1980's version, the one Vanilla Ice drove in the classic music video Ice, Ice baby.

Aha, lots of show, but a puny engine


And a claw below the passenger seat to grab female occupants by the pussy?
Twelfth Monkey

PhilD wrote:
Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Is Trump launching a new car?


If Trump were a car, would he not be a 5.0 V8 Mustang.


He'd make noises like a V8 but he's be packing an Ecoboost.


He'd want to be a Hummer, surely?
Tim

Grampa wrote:


I've only ever had experience of three Alfa dealers and two were excellent with outstanding service (despite one being in London) and the third was still better than most.  And Alfa UK HQ could really show VW UK HQ the way to go with customer service.


Wasn't that back in the old days though , before Alfa UK binned all the independents and appointed large dealer groups to really tarnish the brand?
Bob Sacamano

Tim wrote:
Grampa wrote:


I've only ever had experience of three Alfa dealers and two were excellent with outstanding service (despite one being in London) and the third was still better than most.  And Alfa UK HQ could really show VW UK HQ the way to go with customer service.


Wasn't that back in the old days though , before Alfa UK binned all the independents and appointed large dealer groups to really tarnish the brand?


When Mrs Sacamano was the Service Manager for large FIAT/Alfa dealership in Newcastle she had a steady flow of customers from London bringing their Alfas in for service and repair as the dealerships down there were so poor. They used to ask for a particular tech, Norman, by name. Generally, customers could drive up to Newcastle, stay over in a hotel, have their car serviced, and drive back and it was still cheaper than London servicing.
Michael

If that's the Alfa Romeo dealership near the arena then my own experience would suggest they were as shit as any other.
Bob Sacamano

I assume Norman has retired by now..
Blarno

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
I see that none of the cars shown today have floated your boat Blarno.

I understand where your coming from if its that all manufacturers are chasing the same middle ground. I don't want a luxury, sporty, hatch, SUV, hybrid, expensive, small engine weeny machine.

Anything recent that you do like?


I don't really pay attention to new cars, I've not bought a car mag regularly for 5 years.
Grampa

Tim wrote:
Grampa wrote:


I've only ever had experience of three Alfa dealers and two were excellent with outstanding service (despite one being in London) and the third was still better than most.  And Alfa UK HQ could really show VW UK HQ the way to go with customer service.


Wasn't that back in the old days though , before Alfa UK binned all the independents and appointed large dealer groups to really tarnish the brand?


Late 90's, but I don't know about them ditching the independents, so can't comment on that bit - the one I bought it from was a new dealer at the time - mine was the very first car they sold - and the same dealer still sells them as far as I know (haven't been in the area for a couple of years, so things might not be the same) - people were saying the dealers were shit then, but my experience was completely against the general perception - as was the reliability of the car.
Giant

Weirdly, or perhaps not, this illicits no thoughts from me at all, I don't like it, I don't dislike it, I can't think of anything to say about it.

Just another SUV.
PhilD

Blarno wrote:
Nope.


Shouldn't that be "pass"?
PG

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
I saw a non-QV Giulia last night - I liked that a lot.


This may well be the same as the Giulia. The lower specced models may actually be better looking for their simplicity.  

On the Stelvio shape, I'm really not sure about the headlights. Headlights seem to be a real Alfa weakspot recently - Mito, C4, Giulia and now this.

If that Stelvio shape had the triple headlights from the 159, it would be way, way better.
Giant

PhilD wrote:
Blarno wrote:
Nope.


Shouldn't that be "pass"?
there needs to be a 'doffing your cap' smiley for that, very clever!  
Racing Teatray

This is why there will be no Giulia Sportwagon apparently.

Blame yummy mummies...

The issue with all these new Alfas is that I for one am not prepared to take a financial punt on one.

I remember very clearly the residual performance of my 156 GTA (around 23% after 4.5yrs and 45k miles) and would not like to see it repeated on something with double the RRP.
Nelson

in that spec it will be a hard sell...one problem with the Quadrofig model is the Maserati Levante which albeit is diesel only but is estimated to be a cool £10k cheaper and easier on the pocket and the Macan Turbo which although can't quite beat the Alfa's claimed 3.9sec to 60 dash but both have (to me) more prestigious badges and badge snobbery at this price range is all important....as much as I am an Alfa fan and want it to succeed i think the lesser powered models will be able to compete better. Niche at its extreme but I'm glad it exists
Racing Teatray

My father apparently tried the Levante before opting for the SQ5. Apparently he didn't care for the engine in the Maser, and also decided the whole car was just a bit too flash.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Racing Teatray wrote:
This is why there will be no Giulia Sportwagon apparently.

Which is a crying shame, especially when this is the alternative.

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