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Racing Teatray

Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio driven

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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-revi...o-giulia-quadrifoglio-first-drive
PhilD

Not seen one in the flesh yet but some of the details look a bit cheap/OTT in teh pics and it lacks the distinctive beauty of a 156 or 159 but this would be my choice in this segment, if only for the name! (and that it drives well is a bonus!)
Big Blue

Sounds like a hoot. I'd prefer a 250-300BHP 4-pot petrol with a rasping exhaust myself but nevertheless... sounds like a hoot.
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
Sounds like a hoot. I'd prefer a 250-300BHP 4-pot petrol with a rasping exhaust myself but nevertheless... sounds like a hoot.


I only skim read and assumed it had a 4-pot not a V6, what a shame.
PG

I am sure it is hugely good, and makes a nice change to ze Germans, but at £55k or more, I can't see it exactly rushing out of the showrooms. OK, it may be the halo car, but a lesser engines version at the same spec for about £40k would surely stand far more chance of being a success?
PhilD

PG wrote:
I am sure it is hugely good, and makes a nice change to ze Germans, but at £55k or more, I can't see it exactly rushing out of the showrooms. OK, it may be the halo car, but a lesser engines version at the same spec for about £40k would surely stand far more chance of being a success?


They's be daft not to have a Q or C line. The 159s in non Ti spec were half the car.
Racing Teatray

More here:

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-...-giulia-quadrifoglio-2016-review/

http://www.evo.co.uk/alfa-romeo/g...o-review-alfas-best-car-for-years
Racing Teatray

Sounds seriously tempting, not least because la Signora will assuredly like it, which is not the case for most of the German alternatives short of a Porsche.
Big Blue

Racing Teatray wrote:
More here:

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-...-giulia-quadrifoglio-2016-review/

http://www.evo.co.uk/alfa-romeo/g...o-review-alfas-best-car-for-years


Your research indicates more than a passing interest
Twelfth Monkey

Not lovely.
Racing Teatray

No, it's not as pretty as a 156, but it's not fugly and my M135i is not exactly the prettiest thing on 4 wheels!

We could also argue the toss as to whether the facelift schnozz inflicted on the B7 RS4 is attractive...
Twelfth Monkey

That's about as personal as it gets after the best part of a decade together! †I might have to make unpleasant comments about your missus if you persist...

Roadsterstu

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Not lovely.


Disagree. Very lovely. Very lovely indeed. Seen in the flesh at Geneva, although only from the outside. Probably because Alfa only had 2 non development cars available. And you couldn't get inside. Probably because Alfa hadn't yet developed the interior. Have they come up with a final launch date yet?

Much like from me, though.
Racing Teatray

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
That's about as personal as it gets after the best part of a decade together! †I might have to make unpleasant comments about your missus if you persist...



No need to get blue about it!
Nice Guy Eddie

As Stu says, a very attractive car in the flesh. I sat in the lesser tdi fleet fodder at Geneva and the interior although nice wasn't on a par with the competition.
Frank Bullitt

Lush
Chip Butty

Very good value for money of the £58k approx price tag is to be believed - M5 levels of poke for M3 money.

Impressive co2/emissions figures and it's not a bad looking car - but this variant will sell in tiny numbers, so I hope they have their entry level diesel ducks lined up otherwise it's a curio at best.

Update : Looks like a new diesel engine that is competitive - so they have tidy ducks.
Bob Sacamano

This is just a 3 series with slightly different front and rear treatment right?
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
This is just a 3 series with slightly different front and rear treatment right?


and soul. You forgot soul.
BeN

I do like that actually, although some of the details are indeed a bit OTT.
Bob Sacamano

PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
This is just a 3 series with slightly different front and rear treatment right?


and soul. You forgot soul.


Yes, cling onto that when you're driving the courtesy MiTo during the times it's in for warranty work/repair.
Thomas Magman

No rhd manual variant
Stuntman

I'm pleased it exists, even though it has the wrong gearbox and an offset front numberplate. †A welcome alternative to the strong German competition (and Japanese, if you count that Lexus Coupe thingy).

I'd take the Merc if I wanted a flappy paddle. †The M3/M4 remains the only choice if you want a manual unless you broaden your brand horizons to a Mustang.
PhilD

Stuntman wrote:
I'm pleased it exists, even though it has an offset front numberplate.


That's a soulful number plate.
Stuntman

BR10 CAR?
PhilD

Stuntman wrote:

BR10
CAR?
Alf McQueef

Hopefully someone will buy some, because its the sort of desirable big-depreciator I could well purchase when 2+ years old...
Big Blue

Alf McQueef wrote:
Hopefully someone will buy some, because its the sort of desirable big-depreciator I could well purchase when 2+ years old...


+1

Especially full auto: W2.0 can have one

Incidentally, what is this desire for manual gearboxes in cars in this day and age? I have a string of Polo ponies I change between chukkas - pretty much the same thing.
Grampa

If I was forced to buy a compact 4 door saloon, this is one of only two cars that would get me into the showroom to take a closer look - the other being the XE
PG

Big Blue wrote:
Incidentally, what is this desire for manual gearboxes in cars in this day and age?


+1.
Andy C

Depends on the car ^

Can you imagine a Fiesta ST with an auto?

It's like if my next car was
To be a Golf R , it would be manual without a doubt

Auto boxes have come on so much that it's probably about the first time I'd consider an auto for my next car, especially the 8spd I've experienced In a couple of bmws
Big Blue

Depends how you use the car. In reality my R1 should be an auto as I commute on it, but Yamaha don't do a slusher sportsbike. Most ST where I live are sitting in traffic like all the others tin boxes, so yes: I can imagine one with an auto box.

A friend commented on the Gorilla: "hard to imagine that much power delivered with so little drama" and that just about sums up my thoughts on a manual gearbox: making a drama out of a traffic jam.

I'd try that Golf R with the DSG and see just how often you felt the need to use the paddles once the auto had learned your driving and saved your left foot in traffic (mine saves both feet in traffic as it has stop-go function so I just have to sit there and point it in the right direction).
Stuntman

Manual gearboxes have passion, soul and brio
Big Blue

Stuntman wrote:
Manual gearboxes have passion, soul and brio


On York Road, Battersea they have painfully heavy clutches, shitty spacing and balls-aching shift patterns
Martin

I'm a total auto convert, I wouldn't entertain a manual in my main car, but I really enjoy using a (good) manual gearbox and I still think sports cars should be a manual. †If we had something like a Golf R as a second car (to use Andys example), then it would be a manual.

Would be different if I was mainly city bound, but I couldn't do that anyway.
Racing Teatray

Big Blue wrote:
Stuntman wrote:
Manual gearboxes have passion, soul and brio


On York Road, Battersea they have painfully heavy clutches, shitty spacing and balls-aching shift patterns


Either neither of our cars do, or we are so used to a manual change that neither of us notices.

Whether my next car is an automatic or a manual will depend on how many doors it has. If it has four or more, then that indicates it's not really a sportscar and I'll go automatic. If less than that, it means I've gone down the proper sportscar route, and in my world those don't have automatic gearboxes.

Interestingly, the PCP on my wife's 500 ends in six months' time so we were vaguely discussing what she'd like next, and I asked if she'd want an automatic given she commutes through London by car, and the surprising answer was no. And it's not like she doesn't know the difference - she had a smart fortwo before the 500.
Martin

The smart isn't a good example of an automatic though is it?

Back to the OP, I like it. Don't know whether I'd buy one or not, but it looks good and sounds fun to drive.
Grampa

To me the transmission has to match the car - it suits something like a 5 series, XF etc - but not a Mini.

The compact execs are a bit of a grey area for me - I would have to try one of each - as I did the only time I've had a car this type - my Xedos 6 - I test drove a manual followed by an auto - I don't think I'd done a mile in the auto before I took it back to sign the order for the manual.
Alf McQueef

Evo just gave it a great write-up:

http://www.evo.co.uk/alfa-romeo/g...m=email&utm_source=newsletter

I think I need to go and lie down!

PS - I did not realise, when Autocar said the gearbox was not as good as the M3's (presumably dual clutch) one, that the Alfa has the ZF 8 speeder. That's plenty good enough for me, likely to work well in real world driving, and likely to actually work longer than some OEM's self-designed dual clutcher, all of which tend to offer bank breaking repair costs.
Big Blue

Alf McQueef wrote:


PS - I did not realise, when Autocar said the gearbox was not as good as the M3's (presumably dual clutch) one, that the Alfa has the ZF 8 speeder. That's plenty good enough for me, likely to work well in real world driving, and likely to actually work longer than some OEM's self-designed dual clutcher, all of which tend to offer bank breaking repair costs.


Yep, give me a ZF anytime. When Maserati put the ZF in the old Quattroporte it became ten times the prospect o the used market!
Thomas Magman

Big Blue wrote:
Stuntman wrote:
Manual gearboxes have passion, soul and brio


On York Road, Battersea they have painfully heavy clutches, shitty spacing and balls-aching shift patterns


On the roads I drive on they are an essential part of the driving experience for me

Then again, I don't drive in heavy traffic other than once in a blue moon and I like the sensation of using the clutch and gear stick.

I'd always pick a manual for a sports saloon

Can appreciate some people prefer something they can just put in Drive mode and use a throttle/brakes
PG

Big Blue wrote:
Yep, give me a ZF anytime. When Maserati put the ZF in the old Quattroporte it became ten times the prospect o the used market!


Absolutely.

I've been a total auto convert for years.

Auto gearbox technology has moved on so much in the 50 years I've known automatic transmisisons. I remember the Borg Warner 3 speed boxes that were about in the 60's. Then 4, then 5, then 6 and now 8 or 9 speeds.

The current ZF gearboxes are excellent. And as they nearly always come with paddles, they are the best of both worlds (to me).
Bob Sacamano

I'm an auto fan but I must say that I've had a few hire Focus recently and they have a very nicely positioned clutch and positive gearbox so driving them is quite pleasurable.

Contrast that with the 1-series I currently have that appears to have a pedal layout and gearbox designed by Satan. The pedals are so offset to the right that the clutch is in the middle and requires an uncomfortable angle to be assumed to depress it and the gearbox is the worst I've come across in a long time. Reverse is in there somewhere, first requires you to almost press the clutch pedal through the bulkhead and the rest of the gears are selected by a long throw that discourages you from nipping up and down the box so you always seem to be in the wrong ratio at any one time. Pants. I did wonder if its me but I've been lending it out to colleagues who have all come in and complained about it.

Thankfully, it's getting changed for an auto tomorrow or I'd be pushing it in the Tees.
Nice Guy Eddie

reminds me of when I borrowed the Mrs Ed's 3 Series. I had cruise on happily tearing up the M1 when I came behind the car infront. I'm one of these pushy buggers that likes to race up behind people to move them out of the way. I nearly sha myself when I went for the brake pedal and hit the clutch by mistake, twice, due to the offset position. Probably didn't help that I'd been driving the 993 who's pedals are offset to the left.

The gearbox is a rather notchy affair as well but I test drove an auto and hated it. anything less then 3ltr in a diesel Auto combo sees a complete disaster of terms of throttle response.
Chip Butty

Had a look on the configurator....I really like it, the standard car is rather pretty and the interior looks special.

http://www.alfaromeo.co.uk/models/alfa-romeo-giulia#style

Rear 3 qtr view of the blue car - very nice.

I hope they have some more engines lined up to bridge the gap between the 180 and 200ps 4 pots and the Quadrafoglioioioio.
Sav

Indeed, I would like to see a mid-range six pot Giulia that rivals the 340i, S4, XE S and C43.

If the next Giulietta being RWD turns out to be true, perhaps they could launch a Quadrifoglio model with a detuned version of the Giulia's V6. Another six cylinder hatch wouldn't be a bad thing at all.
PhilD

PhilD wrote:
PG wrote:
I am sure it is hugely good, and makes a nice change to ze Germans, but at £55k or more, I can't see it exactly rushing out of the showrooms. OK, it may be the halo car, but a lesser engines version at the same spec for about £40k would surely stand far more chance of being a success?


They's be daft not to have a Q or C line. The 159s in non Ti spec were half the car.


Boggo ones look nice

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-revi...a-romeo-giulia-20-multiair-review
Martin

The price has been announced, £59,000, the same as the list price of the DCT equipped M3.
Michael

Good luck to them. They'll need it.
Nice Guy Eddie

I thought it was going to be sub £50k?
Martin

Evo said it would be close to £60k when they did their first drive report.  It is a bit ambitious, one to buy when it's a year old perhaps.
PG

Martin wrote:
The price has been announced, £59,000, the same as the list price of the DCT equipped M3.


Bonkers price. Alfa continue wit their death wish then?
Alf McQueef

I predict some discounts from dealers ordered to shift a few.

The 156GTA had a fairly steep list price at the time, I picked one up new for the list price of a 318i M Sport. We won't see that again, but something tells me we won't need £60k to buy one...
the other ct

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere but Chris Harris is now posting videos on topgear.com rather than his youtube page.

First one is the Alfa Quadfandango http://www.topgear.com/videos/playlist/145671/chris-harris-drives
Tim

PG wrote:
Martin wrote:
The price has been announced, £59,000, the same as the list price of the DCT equipped M3.


Bonkers price. Alfa continue wit their death wish then?


I don't see the problem really, why should the Alfa be cheaper than the equivalent, less powerful, BMW?
Also they'll make a mountain out of the Ferrari link whereas BM are IMO steadily eroding the greatness and halo effect of the M badge.

Remember the M3/4 also suffers from epic depreciation as well.
PhilD

Tim wrote:
PG wrote:
Martin wrote:
The price has been announced, £59,000, the same as the list price of the DCT equipped M3.


Bonkers price. Alfa continue wit their death wish then?


I don't see the problem really, why should the Alfa be cheaper than the equivalent, less powerful, BMW?
Also they'll make a mountain out of the Ferrari link whereas BM are IMO steadily eroding the greatness and halo effect of the M badge.

Remember the M3/4 also suffers from epic depreciation as well.


I'm with you Tim. Making it cheaper will make people think it's inferior.
Gurney

Looks good, but....

Barely any dealers left and those that remain are dubious in quality and that may well be the understatement of the century. Of course any true Alfisti would take their pride and joy plus whichever bit had fallen off to one of the myriad of specialists who have always made a much better job of things.

However your average M3/C63/RS4 driver isn't going to think too much of this and you could argue that the specialists are hardly going to have much experience of this new Alfa anyway.

Slough needs to sort out the dealer network and fast.
Martin

Just watched the video and I really like it, more interesting than an M3, but I do t think I'd be confident enough to put my money into a new one.

That Harris thinks it's so close to the current M3 is high praise, as he's recently run one form3 months and was raving about. †Unlike a lot of people, he thinks it's a much better can than the previous model.
Gurney

For me the fact that Harris likes it so much and taking into account his daily drive speaks volumes. Mind you, he had to make the U turn of all U turns on the 4c, even he gets it wrong sometimes.

Love the video, lots of criticism of the quality/editing on the T/G site but it was fine by me.
Tim

I'm finding the reviews of this mildly amusing.

I can almost sense the journos confusion - they're all in their 30s or 40s and have grown up with Alfas being mediocre (156 possibly excepted) at best and they know that when they have to test one what they'll be able to say.
You can see they're praising it but trying not to be too effusive but the real conflict comes because the car has been engineered by ex-Ferrari folk (they mention it in the articles often enough!) and the engine appears to be Ferrari based/sourced and, of course, they all LOVE Ferrari  

At some point in 6 months one of them is going to say that, actually, it's completely wonderful OR that its completely shite.

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