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Michael

A Swede in winter

This is the time of year a Volvo should excel, except it hasn't.
Late night run to the supermarket and having been thwarted by a gate that was frozen shut I got to the car, unlocked it and the wing mirrors didn't deploy - frozen shut at -2 deg C. So, ended up abandoning the jaunt and as soon weather permits I'll be adjusting the mirror settings so they don't fold on lock.
simonp

I was hoping for a picture, preferably with snow in it. Only had boring old rain dan 'ere.
Roadsterstu

I think it's a bit off to blame Volvo for the gate.

As for the mirrors, they probably don't fold them in colder climes. Could you not have folded them out manually?
Roadsterstu

I also get the impression it was a convenient excuse to avoid going to the supermarket...
Martin

I think it's more like Michael adding something else to the list of reasons to get a new car!  That is pretty poor though.

I was also expecting a picture, ideally of the car conquering a snow covered mountain.
Michael

Apologies for the lack of a picture, it was 10pm and quite dark. There also wasn't much by the way of snow but plenty of ice. I'd not seen much of the day having been in bed with food poisoning for the previous 24hrs.
I did try to unfold the mirrors manually but this involves pressing the mirror buttons to activate the motors whilst simultaneously pushing out the mirror. I could only do this with the driver mirror and that wasn't moving so abandoned plans.
Another weather related failing which has annoyed me for some time, there are no gutters above the doors so when you open a door and its rained the seats get a soaking as a few gallons of water are free to flow onto them.
The list of reasons is growing by the day.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Michael wrote:

Another weather related failing which has annoyed me for some time, there are no gutters above the doors so when you open a door and its rained the seats get a soaking as a few gallons of water are free to flow onto them.

IIRC a modern car design failing started by the original Fiat Uno
Martin

One of those really annoying things that you don't always discover until you buy the car.  I don't remember having a car that did that, so it must have been a while.
Roadsterstu

I still think this was more about avoiding a trip to the supermarket. WHich is entirely understandable.
Michael

BMW's have a gutter above the door. I had a Fiat Uno and I don't remember it doing this, either. I have experienced it before though but I can't think what in.
Nice Guy Eddie

Could you not pee on your mirrors? Defrost them in no time
Frank Bullitt

There will probably be something in the manual about keeping them open below a certain temp.

We have this feature on the DS4 (and it was on the last one) and it's never been an issue
Michael

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Could you not pee on your mirrors? Defrost them in no time


That's probably the Swedish thing to do but unzipping at -2deg C isn't my idea of fun.
Anyway, I've deactivated the mirrors so they don't fold. It's a shame as it was a useful visual control in order to check the car was locked.
PhilD

You should have bought a BMW, they'd be no need to use the mirrors.
JohnC

PhilD wrote:
You should have bought a BMW, they'd be no need to use the mirrors.


I keep mine folded in all the time - it makes for faster progress!  
TreVoR

My dad's S80 mirrors were always playing up.
Roadrunner

The Benz mirrors unfold without issue all year round.
Alf McQueef

Presumably its milder now?

My rear tyres are just below 3mm, I'm attempting to liquidate them before the winters go on and get new ones in the spring. It's enjoyably easy, I still can't get over how accessible little oversteer slides are in the XFR even with all the systems switched on and in normal mode. Quite hard not to right now, with greasy cold roads, even on tiny throttle openings.... Immaturity reigns.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Michael wrote:
Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Could you not pee on your mirrors? Defrost them in no time

That's probably the Swedish thing to do but unzipping at -2deg C isn't my idea of fun.

Nor is accidentally freezing your willy to the mirror. Imagine having to call the AA ...
PG

Michael wrote:
BMW's have a gutter above the door. I had a Fiat Uno and I don't remember it doing this, either. I have experienced it before though but I can't think what in.


My Calibra did that with the rear hatch. Open that and any standing water on it ran straight into the boot. Very handy.

Like you, I rely on the folded mirrors to know if my car is locked. Keyless entry and exit are great, except that you can't give the door handle a tug to check the car is locked.
Frank Bullitt

PG wrote:
Like you, I rely on the folded mirrors to know if my car is locked. Keyless entry and exit are great, except that you can't give the door handle a tug to check the car is locked.


The DS4's keyless entry does - locknut by holding a finger against the handle, pull the door handle once within 5 seconds and it won't unlock - pull it a second time and it will.  If you have OCD your fucked though
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

On mine, you have to press the little button on the handle to unlock it.
Racing Teatray

I've encountered this freezing problem with the mirrors on the M135i when in the Alps - needs to have been wet before it froze though (eg sleet/snow followed by frost) - a normal frost doesn't usually trigger it. BMW though has a trick that means no fiddling with the settings. To get the mirrors to fold in the first place, you need to press and hold the lock button. So when ice is forecast, you can just lock normally and leave the mirrors unfolded.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

On a day of heavy frost like today, I feel that the "is your car a good winter car" question can be summed up thus: does it have a heated windscreen? Not only would I always spec this option, but I would rule out any car that doesn't offer it.

Just waiting for some manufacturer to do the logical thing and heat the side windows as well.
Boxer6

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
On a day of heavy frost like today, I feel that the "is your car a good winter car" question can be summed up thus: does it have a heated windscreen? Not only would I always spec this option, but I would rule out any car that doesn't offer it.

Just waiting for some manufacturer to do the logical thing and heat the side windows as well.


Don't Ford still hold the patent on heated front screens? i seem to remember seeing that in a thread here some time ago.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

They do, but thankfully, other manufacturers have realised they can charge a lot more for the option than they have to pay Ford for the patent.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Just waiting for some manufacturer to do the logical thing and heat the side windows as well.

Renault did that with the Mk 1 Laguna estate but it didn't catch on. Maybe dogs don't appreciate the clear side views?
Frank Bullitt

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
On a day of heavy frost like today, I feel that the "is your car a good winter car" question can be summed up thus: does it have a heated windscreen? Not only would I always spec this option, but I would rule out any car that doesn't offer it.

Just waiting for some manufacturer to do the logical thing and heat the side windows as well.


I put the A2 in the garage and a 10 screen from Lidl on the DS4 - both work very well!
JohnC

I'd certainly spec a heated windscreen if it was available. I also think that heated door mirrors should be compulsory since they are such a safety issue.
Bob Sacamano

JohnC wrote:
I'd certainly spec a heated windscreen if it was available. I also think that heated door mirrors should be compulsory since they are such a safety issue.


In my experience on every car I've had with electrically adjustable door mirrors they were also heated when you operated the rear screen.

Agreed about the heated front windscreen - the Ford ones are excellent.
Tim

Bob Sacamano wrote:

In my experience on every car I've had with electrically adjustable door mirrors they were also heated when you operated the rear screen.


I'm sure the E46 mirror heaters come on automatically without the rear screen needing to be on - I've seen steam coming from the mirrors recently when all I had to do was wipe the rear screen.
Frank Bullitt

The A2's heated mirrors were a retro-fit with all the heated wiring there - on cars with it from the factory (winter pack, along with heated washer jets) they come on automatically below 5C, on cars with it retro-fitted they work off the heated rear window circuit.
Michael

My BMWs had wing mirrors that came on when the temperature was low though this only heats the mirror not the unit. Not sure when they come on in the Volvo although it has got a Ford style heated windscreen.
PG

Whilst I like the heated front screen for getting rid of ice, it does have two drawbacks. The side windows are still icy (as above!). And in cloudy or foggy weather, and sometimes as dusk, you can see the wires in the screen and that becomes really fixating for your focal point as you try and concentrate on the road. Does anybody else have that issue?
TreVoR

My Volvo had them come on with the heated rear screen. The TVR ones come on for 15 minutes when you start the car. Only the driver side works though, but as it is garages all the time it makes no odds.
TreVoR

PG wrote:
Whilst I like the heated front screen for getting rid of ice, it does have two drawbacks. The side windows are still icy (as above!). And in cloudy or foggy weather, and sometimes as dusk, you can see the wires in the screen and that becomes really fixating for your focal point as you try and concentrate on the road. Does anybody else have that issue?


Yes, I really dislike them as I can see the wires, even in daylight. When it is dark and wet, it makes the view very fuzzy in my mind. They may have improved over the years since I last sat in a car with one.
Bob Sacamano

TreVoR wrote:
PG wrote:
Whilst I like the heated front screen for getting rid of ice, it does have two drawbacks. The side windows are still icy (as above!). And in cloudy or foggy weather, and sometimes as dusk, you can see the wires in the screen and that becomes really fixating for your focal point as you try and concentrate on the road. Does anybody else have that issue?


Yes, I really dislike them as I can see the wires, even in daylight. When it is dark and wet, it makes the view very fuzzy in my mind. They may have improved over the years since I last sat in a car with one.


After a couple of minutes you don't notice them again.
Frank Bullitt

Bob Sacamano wrote:
TreVoR wrote:
PG wrote:
Whilst I like the heated front screen for getting rid of ice, it does have two drawbacks. The side windows are still icy (as above!). And in cloudy or foggy weather, and sometimes as dusk, you can see the wires in the screen and that becomes really fixating for your focal point as you try and concentrate on the road. Does anybody else have that issue?


Yes, I really dislike them as I can see the wires, even in daylight. When it is dark and wet, it makes the view very fuzzy in my mind. They may have improved over the years since I last sat in a car with one.


After a couple of minutes you don't notice them again.


Perhaps some people can tune it out but I used my old bosses Focus for a week a while back and found it hugely distracting at night whenever in a lit area or with cars coming towards me on dark roads.

The 10 Lidl cover does a finer job.
Bob Sacamano

I can only speak for myself and my colleagues on the 65 plate Focus we had. No-one had any issues and the advantages of being able to open the car, hit front and back screen heaters, and be on the move in under a minute, even on the coldest mornings, was a real boon.
Frank Bullitt

The screen takes seconds to remove (and put on), perfect
PhilD

Frank Bullitt wrote:


The 10 Lidl cover does a finer job.


and you can get some cheap  but decent wine and chocolate while you are in there.
Roadsterstu

TreVoR wrote:
PG wrote:
Whilst I like the heated front screen for getting rid of ice, it does have two drawbacks. The side windows are still icy (as above!). And in cloudy or foggy weather, and sometimes as dusk, you can see the wires in the screen and that becomes really fixating for your focal point as you try and concentrate on the road. Does anybody else have that issue?


Yes, I really dislike them as I can see the wires, even in daylight. When it is dark and wet, it makes the view very fuzzy in my mind. They may have improved over the years since I last sat in a car with one.


Yes. It takes ages to learn to ignore it.
Blarno

I had no issue with the heated screen wires in the Postbox.


Mainly because the windscreen was always filthy anyway.

I'd kill to have a Quickclear screen on the SAAB.
Andy C

Has never bothered me either
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Nor me
JohnC

I suppose an alternative would be a fast acting heater element in the blower which only comes on when you apply the full screen clear option.
Tim

I noticed after about half a mile that the Nissan rear screen appeared to have activated itself this morning. There is a button to turn it on but perhaps it does it automatically under some circumstances too.
Michael

I don't think that remove frost at the rate the Ford system can. It really is a brilliant system and I must say the wires are barely noticeable.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

PG wrote:
Whilst I like the heated front screen for getting rid of ice, it does have two drawbacks. The side windows are still icy (as above!). And in cloudy or foggy weather, and sometimes as dusk, you can see the wires in the screen and that becomes really fixating for your focal point as you try and concentrate on the road. Does anybody else have that issue?

I'm another who has no issues with heated front screen wires.....and as to the side window ice, you start the car and put the heated screens on, then get out to scrape the ice off the side windows.  By the time you have done the scraping, the front and rear screens are clear. Simples ;-)
Clunes

Always loved the heated screen in my Fords/Jag and it will be missed when I move to the BMW (as will the heated steering wheel!) and the wires in the screen never proved problematic.

However, I believe I can set the car to 'warm up' on a schedule so if it's very cold I'm hoping I can ask the car to warm up and it will defrost by the time I leave.

I am just wondering if I will be able to use my Amazon Echo to control things as well e.g. 'Alexa, warm up my car'

O.
Bob Sacamano

Clunes wrote:


I am just wondering if I will be able to use my Amazon Echo to control things as well e.g. 'Alexa, warm up my car'

O.


Hold on the Amazon Echo, Google are just in the process of releasing their own which has a better interface and is two thirds of the price.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1...amazon-echo-what-s-the-difference
Martin

Clunes wrote:
Always loved the heated screen in my Fords/Jag and it will be missed when I move to the BMW (as will the heated steering wheel!) and the wires in the screen never proved problematic.

However, I believe I can set the car to 'warm up' on a schedule so if it's very cold I'm hoping I can ask the car to warm up and it will defrost by the time I leave.

I am just wondering if I will be able to use my Amazon Echo to control things as well e.g. 'Alexa, warm up my car'

O.


You can get the fan to come on at a certain time or through the app on your phone, but it won't defrost the screen.  

You'd need an auxiliary heater to do the job properly, by that's only available on the X5 (poss X6 as well)
Clunes

Martin wrote:
Clunes wrote:
Always loved the heated screen in my Fords/Jag and it will be missed when I move to the BMW (as will the heated steering wheel!) and the wires in the screen never proved problematic.

However, I believe I can set the car to 'warm up' on a schedule so if it's very cold I'm hoping I can ask the car to warm up and it will defrost by the time I leave.

I am just wondering if I will be able to use my Amazon Echo to control things as well e.g. 'Alexa, warm up my car'

O.


You can get the fan to come on at a certain time or through the app on your phone, but it won't defrost the screen.

You'd need an auxiliary heater to do the job properly, by that's only available on the X5 (poss X6 as well)


So it won't blow warm air up the screen to help the process?  Far from a deal breaker but it's only when I'm getting rid of the Jag that I realise how many good toys it has and those I will miss.

Regards Echo I've had one for a while and got it at 2/3rds the price of retail. I was in the US when Google announced theirs (and their phone) and I might end up with that as well should it turn out to be better - I like gadgets and work for a high tech Silicon Valley firm so can sometimes find an excuse to play around with Internet Of Things technologies (I am on the beta Nest trials in the UK for example so I've had Nest here for 2+ years whilst they developed it for UK launch - definitely need to get the rest of my house more 'connected' though
Martin

No, I'm afraid not as there won't be any heat in the system to blow onto the screen.

I'm with you in the gadgets, both in the car and home.

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