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JohnC

A Bit Depressing

This article doing the rounds today doesn't make great reading for diesel owners:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38170794

When I travel around Glasgow the only diesel vehicles you smell and see black smoke from are black cabs, older smaller buses, lorries and some diesel cars which tend to be more than about 7 or 8 years old.

Banning all diesels is a bit like banning alcohol: the few give the majority a bad name.

Most modern diesels have had particulate filters for the past 8 or 9 years and current Euro 6 diesels are very clean - every bit as clean as all but the most recent petrol cars.

I note that the cities involved are promoting Electric, Hydrogen and Hybrid with no mention of petrol so perhaps the days of the internal combustion engine being the sole source of power are now very limited.

2025 is hardly a long way away. I now feel a real need to get down to Mercedes World for a V8 experience before anything without pedals is banned.
Giant

Re: A Bit Depressing

JohnC wrote:
This article doing the rounds today doesn't make great reading for diesel owners:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38170794

When I travel around Glasgow the only diesel vehicles you smell and see black smoke from are black cabs, older smaller buses, lorries and some diesel cars which tend to be more than about 7 or 8 years old.

Banning all diesels is a bit like banning alcohol: the few give the majority a bad name.

Most modern diesels have had particulate filters for the past 8 or 9 years and current Euro 6 diesels are very clean - every bit as clean as all but the most recent petrol cars.

I note that the cities involved are promoting Electric, Hydrogen and Hybrid with no mention of petrol so perhaps the days of the internal combustion engine being the sole source of power are now very limited.

2025 is hardly a long way away. I now feel a real need to get down to Mercedes World for a V8 experience before anything without pedals is banned.


Everything since Dieselgate suggests this is absolutely not the case.
JohnC

Re: A Bit Depressing

Giant wrote:
Everything since Dieselgate suggests this is absolutely not the case.


Perhaps for VW Group vehicles but I haven't heard of anyone else.
Racing Teatray

Given the prevailing sentiments, there was no way I was going to contemplate eg a 435d as a Londoner. The risk of being banned or excessively taxed as diesel-driver in the next 4-5 years seemed too high.
PhilD

I think, overall this is right.

I will try and offload my car in the new year!
Frank Bullitt

Being honest, I do feel increasingly guilty about the A2 and the pollution it pumps out on both PM10's and NOx - it's a Euro IV compliant car so doesn't have a DPF or, of course, Adblue. I'm aware, in many senses, that it's probably not appropriate to drive it for much longer especially as I crawl the last 3 miles to work through an urban area, and when I leave work the same (with a cold engine). It's even got to the stage that I've started to consider a replacement for it - used BMW i3 is an outside option which appeals most apart from the price, likewise a Zoe although it's not really 'me' or even the forthcoming smart e-fortwo.

Will my one car make such a difference? No, but we can all say that and bury our heads in the sand
PhilD

I'd love an i3 if it could go for more than 100 odd miles.
Big Blue

PhilD wrote:
I'd love an i3 if it could go for more than 100 odd miles.


Pointed one out to W2.0 and asked her if she wanted one for the school run.

"Why would I want a car I plug in at night like my mobile phone?" was the reply.
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
PhilD wrote:
I'd love an i3 if it could go for more than 100 odd miles.


Pointed one out to W2.0 and asked her if she wanted one for the school run.

"Why would I want a car I plug in at night like my mobile phone?" was the reply.


Why would you want a mobile phone you have to take to special charging centres?
gooner

Re: A Bit Depressing

JohnC wrote:
Giant wrote:
Everything since Dieselgate suggests this is absolutely not the case.


Perhaps for VW Group vehicles but I haven't heard of anyone else.


Although it must be said that the silence from all the other manufacturers who could have used VW's woes to their advantage was rather deafening.

I ditched diesel for my latest company car and I suspect most, if not all, of my colleagues will have followed suit by the time it goes back in 2019.
Tim

I saw the article this morning and while I understand a lot of what it says surely the councils that put in excessive road calming measures are also to blame?

For example, a couple of years ago the local town to me installed a traffic island 250 yards before the end of the 30 limit with the result that when the road is busy you can be faced with several minutes of queuing to leave the town, whereas before you just drove straight out.

Not only that but the road is on a slope and curve so when something comes the other way you often find yourself accelerating quite firmly.

Accelerating a truck or bus away from this stupid roadblock will just add a huge amount to the localised pollution.
PhilD

We need to choose which way we want to be killed by our traffic Tim, slow or quick!
Frank Bullitt

Re: A Bit Depressing

gooner wrote:
JohnC wrote:
Giant wrote:
Everything since Dieselgate suggests this is absolutely not the case.


Perhaps for VW Group vehicles but I haven't heard of anyone else.


Although it must be said that the silence from all the other manufacturers who could have used VW's woes to their advantage was rather deafening.


PSA were certainly keen to comment.
Racing Teatray

PhilD wrote:
I think, overall this is right.

I will try and offload my car in the new year!


There's a nice black M135i with your name on it surely...
gonnabuildabuggy

Frank Bullitt wrote:
I'm aware, in many senses, that it's probably not appropriate to drive it for much longer especially as I crawl the last 3 miles to work through an urban area, and when I leave work the same (with a cold engine).


"Hospital worker kills patients on drive to work" shock.

Big Blue wrote:
PhilD wrote:
I'd love an i3 if it could go for more than 100 odd miles.


Pointed one out to W2.0 and asked her if she wanted one for the school run.

"Why would I want a car I plug in at night like my mobile phone?" was the reply.


To save money would be the easy answer? My neighbour has one of the Mitsubishi ones and they just plug it in every night.

In fact I need to get one then I can plug mine in during the day when he's at work and juice it using his electricity bill.

I can't say that standing around in the cold for 5 minutes filling up a car, then queuing up to pay once every week is particularly enjoyable either.

As John's earlier thread pointed out - soon we'll all be driving Electric Cars.
PG

5 litre petrol V8. I feel like an eco warrior. Take that, Greenpeace.  
TreVoR

Yeah, if I need to go to the city I will take the TVR because that will be so much better than the Defender.
JohnC

The first thing I did this morning was look up used M6 Grand Coupes which is considerably less green than where I sit just now.

I see the "Racing" green one with brown leather is still available but still a bit pricey for me:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...de=de76hq&make=BMW&page=3
Roadsterstu

Re: A Bit Depressing

JohnC wrote:
Giant wrote:
Everything since Dieselgate suggests this is absolutely not the case.


Perhaps for VW Group vehicles but I haven't heard of anyone else.


Diesel is a dirtier fuel than petrol. We've been badly missold on the diesel thing. However, the focus does rather seem to be on cars rather than buses, trucks, taxis and trains.
PG

Re: A Bit Depressing

Roadsterstu wrote:
Diesel is a dirtier fuel than petrol. We've been badly missold on the diesel thing. However, the focus does rather seem to be on cars rather than buses, trucks, taxis and trains.


Indeed. Another survey shows that air quality around shipping ports is very poor, due to the enormous amount of crap that ship diesel engines put out.

Of course cars are seen as an easy target. Anybody saying that buses should be all banned unless they are non-diesel would be accused of terrible thoughts.
Giant

Re: A Bit Depressing

PG wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Diesel is a dirtier fuel than petrol. We've been badly missold on the diesel thing. However, the focus does rather seem to be on cars rather than buses, trucks, taxis and trains.


Indeed. Another survey shows that air quality around shipping ports is very poor, due to the enormous amount of crap that ship diesel engines put out.

Of course cars are seen as an easy target. Anybody saying that buses should be all banned unless they are non-diesel would be accused of terrible thoughts.


Indeed, and figures would be cited like NOx per passenger would be spouted, based on a full bus driving at constant speed or some such irrelevant argument.
PhilD

Racing Teatray wrote:
PhilD wrote:
I think, overall this is right.

I will try and offload my car in the new year!


There's a nice black M135i with your name on it surely...


It's my perfect spec and I'd love it but sadly a bit too for me.
Giant

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Being honest, I do feel increasingly guilty about the A2 and the pollution it pumps out.....It's even got to the stage that I've started to consider a replacement for it - used BMW i3 is an outside option which appeals most apart from the price,


A2 to i3 seems an entirely logical step, they have a passing resemblance and are both early attempts of ultra efficient premium compact cars. I'd love one. I wonder if hindsight will see the i3 considered a few years ahead of its time too.
Big Blue

Re: A Bit Depressing

PG wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:


Of course cars are seen as an easy target. Anybody saying that buses should be all banned unless they are non-diesel would be accused of terrible thoughts.


Indeed, and figures would be cited like NOx per passenger would be spouted, based on a full bus driving at constant speed or some such irrelevant argument.


Trouble is most London buses are jam packed for four hours a day, 2 in the morning and two in the afternoon, then spend the rest of the day spouting dirty shit all over town with just the driver and the occasional drunk/nanny/OAP on board whilst all the cars are parked up.
Giant

Re: A Bit Depressing

Big Blue wrote:
PG wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:


Of course cars are seen as an easy target. Anybody saying that buses should be all banned unless they are non-diesel would be accused of terrible thoughts.


Indeed, and figures would be cited like NOx per passenger would be spouted, based on a full bus driving at constant speed or some such irrelevant argument.


Trouble is most London buses are jam packed for four hours a day, 2 in the morning and two in the afternoon, then spend the rest of the day spouting dirty shit all over town with just the driver and the occasional drunk/nanny/OAP on board whilst all the cars are parked up.


That was my point, badly made!

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