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Nelson

A+ for (E)ffort in this class

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...s-interior-revealed-ahead-detroit

If there is a nicer interior of a car currently on sale I'd love to see it (and yes, I include prestige Bentley's et all in that). In my opinion, must better than the current S-class interior (i do like the addition of some buttons you can actually press)

I realise that this is FG specced with the high end ££££ audio specced but this looks magnificent and if I was asked to design my own luxury interior this wouldn't be too far from my idea of pure perfection

This and the interior of the new Audi A4 are the 2 very best interiors of cars on sale today imo in a price bracket realistic to many owners
Humphrey The Pug

It's ruined by that big slab of screen in front of and to the side of the driver; where the sat nav/infotainment screen is.
Michael

It looks the same as the S class interior. Mercedes seem to be stuck in a rut making all their cars look the same. Even the SL and sports cars seem to use only slightly different headlamps.
PhilD

Interior reminds me of a Tesla.
Giant

Looks good dripping in FG and leather but I still don't think the manufacturers have got properly to grips with integrating touchscreen a into dash design yet.
Not specific to this new E, but how many central air vents does one dash need? Has anyone every thought two was inadequate, let alone three?
Nice Guy Eddie

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
It's ruined by that big slab of screen in front of and to the side of the driver; where the sat nav/infotainment screen is.


+1

It's not exactly elegant is it
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

I think it's stunning - for me, Mercedes are really on a roll at the moment. New inline-sixes for this car too ...
Frank Bullitt

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
I think it's stunning - for me, Mercedes are really on a roll at the moment. New inline-sixes for this car too ...


+1

I think the screen looks just about perfect.
Roadrunner

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
I think it's stunning - for me, Mercedes are really on a roll at the moment. New inline-sixes for this car too ...


+1

I think the screen looks just about perfect.


Another +1 from me. Very much looking forward to this.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Is it just me who hates these mahoosive centre consoles that are like a brick wall between the front seats and that join up with the lower dash, stopping you from sliding across to exit the car on the "wrong" side when parking in a tight space, narrow garage etc?
Martin

It's a big step forward for the E Class and I like the screen more than the tablet style which most manufacturers are going for. †Hopefully it will be better to drive and have decent seats.
JohnC

I rather like it and the way it is a much more driver focused dash. The last time I was in a Mercedes showroom, I liked the dash on the C Class, revised CLS and the S Class coupe I sat in. It has a lot of nice design features when you get a chance to look at it up close and although I bought a BMW, I think the Mercedes dash looked a bit more special.

Superfluous vents perhaps but does it matter.

The outside is a bit more of a problem for me since I think it is bland and the nose is a bit too blunt. However I am sure that when they put some decent wheels and brightwork on it, it will look considerably more attractive. I think it will be a bit like the C Class though: in basic spec it is so anonymous it is invisible but put in a panoramic roof on a light colour, some decent wheels and a few AMG additions and it looks great.
Chip Butty

Very impressive, this and the S90 are setting the benchmark for mid sized execs.

However, the interior pictures shown to date are of very high spec and/or heavily optioned variants. There is no way the vast majority of the models sold will have these full leather interiors as standard (or even full dash and door card trimming in either leather or vinyl).

The money you will pay for those cars would put you into a new S Class or XJ.

Taking the XC90 as an example, the lovely full leather interior is part of the inscription trim level. The £45k to £55k models have leather faced seats and plastic everything else.
gonnabuildabuggy

Chip Butty wrote:
Very impressive, this and the S90 are setting the benchmark for mid sized execs.

However, the interior pictures shown to date are of very high spec and/or heavily optioned variants. There is no way the vast majority of the models sold will have these full leather interiors as standard (or even full dash and door card trimming in either leather or vinyl).

The money you will pay for those cars would put you into a new S Class or XJ.

Taking the XC90 as an example, the lovely full leather interior is part of the inscription trim level. The £45k to £55k models have leather faced seats and plastic everything else.


Two thoughts:

1. Dashboards and interiors (at last!) seem to be moving forwards at a great rate of knots. Given that's the bit of your car you see the most it's suprised me it's taken so long.

The downside is that it means cars are ageing ever more rapidly. I find myself browsing cars only 5 yrs old and thinking how out of date they already are. The thought of an E90 without a screen fitted seems weird, and even an E90 with original iDrive (my Dad's just bought an E93 with it) seems positively antiquated.

Will this drive depreciation even harder?

2. CB is right about XJ, etc. Personally I'd probably buy a second hand XJ to get this level of kit rather than a new E class, etc. A recent test sit confirmed to me the XJ is a level about other models in the Jag range.
Martin

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Personally I'd probably buy a second hand XJ to get this level of kit rather than a new E class, etc. A recent test sit confirmed to me the XJ is a level about other models in the Jag range.


So would I, but it would have to be the face lifted model and even then, the in car tech is behind recent Mercedes/Audi/BMW.   I agree that the XJ is a level above other Jaguars, as is the S Class and A8, which are both a huge step up over the E/A6/A7. † I was surprised at how different the A8 was to the A7, which was very disappointing in comparison.  I assume the new 7 will be a decent step up too, but I haven't been to look at one yet.
gonnabuildabuggy

I like the A7 a lot, but this "outdating" kit and lack of upgradable electronics is a worry (real 1st world problem that).

I've been looking at what I'd buy for £10K as an SUV and some of the in dash technology in a 5-10yr old SUV looks positively antiquated now.

In truth a bluetooth kit and portable sat nav is probably the best solution?

Fortunately not a real problem as the FRV is not up for replacement any time soon and the Mini has enough to be manageable, just needs Sat Nav, for which my phone is more than capable when I bother using it.

Perhaps I just need a car with an integrated phone holder  
Boxer6

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Is it just me who hates these mahoosive centre consoles that are like a brick wall between the front seats and that join up with the lower dash, stopping you from sliding across to exit the car on the "wrong" side when parking in a tight space, narrow garage etc?


Granted, it is annoying on the very rare occasions that happens, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a car these days that doesn't have the full console fitted.
Martin

I liked the A7 too and thought a BiTurbo would be ideal, but I really didn't like the interior when I spent some time with it and the ride quality was awful. †

It depends on what you go for. †If you bought a post 2009 BMW as an example, it wouldn't be too out of date at all, less so than buying a brand new A5. †The Sat Nav in the Boxster is a bit dated looking (and a touchscreen), but the current models aren't much better. †The 991.2 and Macan have the latest system which is a huge improvement.

I do understand the issue though, but if it bothers you, the answer is to buy a newer car....not stick something on the windscreen! †

Or buy a late 2009 X3/5.
PG

That interior is a huge step up from the current E class. But as CB says, that one is FG'd to the hilt. Will have to wait and see what the cooking versions look like.

It does seem to be a feature of interiors now that they mostly look shyte in base spec and much great in top spec. Like the exteriors.
Grampa

Very nice, but judging from photos I prefer the Volvo S90.
Frank Bullitt

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
I like the A7 a lot, but this "outdating" kit and lack of upgradable electronics is a worry (real 1st world problem that).


Isn't it just - the modernity of the functionality of in-car stuff is something that I just don't understand to be honest. I'd rather not have it and rely on a windscreen mounted sat nav.
gonnabuildabuggy

Frank Bullitt wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
I like the A7 a lot, but this "outdating" kit and lack of upgradable electronics is a worry (real 1st world problem that).


Isn't it just - the modernity of the functionality of in-car stuff is something that I just don't understand to be honest. I'd rather not have it and rely on a windscreen mounted sat nav.


I'm concluding the same.

A nice previous model Range Rover appeals but the Sat Nav system fitted upto about 2005 looks positively antique now (same system as fitted to BMW's from 1998).

I suspect that it's the luxury cars where this will be most obvious as they have a lot more kit.

So it seems you either buy brand new/newish to get the latest kit or just buy as old as you like and use other kit.
Frank Bullitt

I'd have the Range Rover, use the stereo function and leave it at that to be honest.
Alf McQueef

I'd have to see it in the flash to really know - but the S class coupe I had a look around at Brooklands was mightily impressive. I also really like what Audi are doing with the screen that sits between fairly conventional looking dials on its newer high end metal. Very impressive, and far more sensible than a screen angles off to one side.

It may be a bit Tesla - but I am very fond of some of their interiors, though there is a potential safety risk in too much FG on big screens. Watch the damn road!
Grampa

Alf McQueef wrote:
I'd have to see it in the flash to really know - but the S class coupe I had a look around at Brooklands was mightily impressive. I also really like what Audi are doing with the screen that sits between fairly conventional looking dials on its newer high end metal. Very impressive, and far more sensible than a screen angles off to one side.

It may be a bit Tesla - but I am very fond of some of their interiors, though there is a potential safety risk in too much FG on big screens. Watch the damn road!


And that's the thing. I've got the sat nav screen in the Scirocco, but not the sat nav so its only functionality is the stereo and the dash is also lacking in other FG stuff, but providing there's a steering wheel, a gear lever, indicators and switches for the lights and wipers, then to be honest that's all I need.
PG

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
A nice previous model Range Rover appeals but the Sat Nav system fitted upto about 2005 looks positively antique now (same system as fitted to BMW's from 1998)..


Agreed the 2002-2005 sat nav unit is positively archaic. You can upgrade the early Range Rover sat nav to a later BMW X5 hardware and software - here's a link:

http://www.brit-car.co.uk/blog/20...er-l322-2002-2005-sat-nav-system/
Martin

I suspect an outdated sat nav would be the least of your concerns if you bought an old Range Rover.
Frank Bullitt

gonnabuildabuggy

PG wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
A nice previous model Range Rover appeals but the Sat Nav system fitted upto about 2005 looks positively antique now (same system as fitted to BMW's from 1998)..


Agreed the 2002-2005 sat nav unit is positively archaic. You can upgrade the early Range Rover sat nav to a later BMW X5 hardware and software - here's a link:

http://www.brit-car.co.uk/blog/20...er-l322-2002-2005-sat-nav-system/


Ah, the wonders of the Internet again.

However I suspect Martin might be correct.
Michael

Revealed here

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...ass-revealed-official-images-leak

Looks so much like a C-class its ridiculous. Interior is spectacular but seen it before in an S-class.
Giant

Appears to be the best proportioned of this generation of merc saloon. But I really don't like this generation of merc saloon.
Nice Guy Eddie

I really like the AMG styling on the silver one.
Roadrunner

Feeling lots of want.
JohnC

That's going to be best in class, not least because of the sumptuous interior. Balance will no doubt be restored when the new 5 Series is tested in 2017 although the interior will have to be very special to outpoint the E Class.

One thing to remember though, is that the E Class shows full leather dash and door cards plus lots of other extras. It may not be as impressive in the lower to mid range models. A current 5 or 6 series with the leather dash is also a very impressive place to be.
Martin

That does look lovely inside, but I don't like the droopy rear. †As with the C Class, I expect the estate will be the better looking option.
Chip Butty

If you look at the latest pics, they've also included a base level interior - you can see the dials in place of the TFT screen and a slightly smaller main display to the right, the dash and upper door casings are also untrimmed.

It still looks really good - in fact I think I prefer the dials to the double TFT monitors.

I also think the E Class has the best proportions of the new saloon car family - the C and S look unbalanced from some angles, but this new E class is very handsome.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Latest photos







Michael

That is a nice looking car. I prefer the bumper treatment on the red one.
BeN

Come on now. Surely they're just taking the piss.

How is that distinguishable from a C or S-Class other than size?
PhilD

BeN wrote:
Come on now. Surely they're just taking the piss.

How is that distinguishable from a C or S-Class other than size?


Size is important Ben, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
BeN

Sure, but it's not everything.
Blarno

Looks like a Rover 75 with Merc grilles.
Roadrunner

Video of the interior. Wanting one even more now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PscfLc9AhQQ
Andy C

The grey/silver one ^

Yum
gonnabuildabuggy

Blarno wrote:
Looks like a Rover 75 with Merc grilles.


Droopy Bum comes of age
PG

Blarno wrote:
Looks like a Rover 75 with Merc grilles.


Do you think Merc are just working their way though the Rover back catalogue?

Rover P5B Coupe 4 door becomes CLS Coupe 4 door
Droopy bottom 75 now a C, E and S class
Facia design of P6 and SD1 now in E and S class
If you squint very hard a B class in white could almost be a bigger MG Metro (I think it's the drooping bonnet line)
BeN

Great picture from Autocar:

JohnC

I don't mind that they all look similar. I think they are all pretty well proportioned and in the flesh there is quite a difference in size.

I reckon the E and S are slightly better proportioned with less of the pinched bum look from the C Class but there is no avoiding the fact that they all came from the same pen. Still if it is a success, why mess with it?
Michael

The E is a good looking car but I do think it's a shame that they all look so similar. The C class is the least successful looking rather dumpy to these eyes.
Chip Butty

That picture clearly illustrates how and why the E class is the best proportioned of the 3 cars.

On the C and the S - the upper swage line runs under the door handles, dropping as it moves to the rear, where a 2nd, higher line flows out from above the door handles into the rear wing.

On the E - there is only one upper swage line and it runs through the door handles and into the rear wing. This is much neater and gives much better proportion and shape to the mid section and the rear haunches.

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