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Racing Teatray

440 has landed...

So, collected the new mean machine yesterday. I had a valedictory run up to Oxford in the M135i to collect a set of OE winter wheels and then it was on to Guildford to collect the 440i.

First impressions?

Of course appearance is always subjective but it looks fantastic to me. Low, lithe and somewhat prowling, as a BMW should. The shape is long, wide and low and the frameless doors are a lovely touch. The M135i couldn’t help but look rather upright and dowdy by comparison. And even though it was a filthy dull and overcast day, the colour looked great – exceeding all expectations on that front. I was assuming that Carbon Black would look black in all but bright sunlight, but no, it is definitely blue, albeit a very dark blue. The Dream Black of the Z1 would pop blue and green highlights in bright sunlight like a raven’s wing, and parked next to the Sapphire Black M135i, could look very dark blue. Carbon Black on the other hand is actually a blue. I’ve not seen it in sunlight yet (sun doesn’t hit my driveway in the morning) but last night under streetlights, it showed off a deep electric blue gleam that was really attractive. The 19” bicolour alloys, which I hadn’t been sure about, also look great (for the five days they are going to be on the car until the 18” winters are fitted on Thursday morning!).

Things are also looking up inside. Despite being clearly from a similar pen as the design of the 1-series with various controls being identical, it does manage to feel smarter and more upmarket. Neither of us could remember the M135i smelling quite so leathery when it was new, which adds to the subjective sense of luxury. And it is much more spacious – not just things like a properly spacious back seat or bigger boot, but also for example I no longer find my left knee resting on the centre console. The steering wheel in particular is also a vast improvement. Trim-wise, the anthracite wood trim was the right pick. It is somewhat darker than the supposedly identical trim in the M135i, and with a closer grain, but looks spot on. Modern wood trim done well. The saddle leather is also very smart. If I am being picky, I’d have liked it just a shade darker and richer in tone. It looks better in daylight than by night, where it can look surprisingly pale. But it definitely works and no, it doesn’t come with a light lower dashboard fortunately (unlike the red option).  I also haven’t yet quite found a position with the electric seat that is exactly where I want it – more fiddling ahead.

Enough you cry. This is a car forum, not Design Weekly or World of Interiors. What is it like where it matters out on the road?

Well, hard to say definitively so far with barely 70 miles on the clock, consisting on a run back into London down the A3 to Richmond, and then a fiddle up to Notting Hill and back last night.  But it is very different to the M135i.  How much of that is the car and how much of it is the gearbox I have not yet determined. I would be completely intrigued to try an auto M135i now. But the gearbox is indeed a completely peachy device that is beautifully matched to the engine. You can ooze around town effortlessly in a manner that reminds me of my old 500E or you can poke it, at which point it takes off like a greyhound out of a trap with eagerness to match. And it sounds gorgeous. The last car I had that sounded this cultured (Z1 excepted) was the 156 GTA. It sounds just like a big BMW straight six should (and how neither the 135i nor M135i really did).  On start up, it certainly does the whole “is there a powerboat here somewhere” growl that riffs on the noise that the M135i made on start-up but with the volume turned down to 7. Loud enough to be noticed but not liable to irritate neighbours. Then, mooching around, just enough of that classic turbine purr filters into the cabin to ensure you know you’re not in a 428i. Open a window and you realise petrolhead passers-by are actually getting a minor treat. Open the taps, however, and it will growl, snarl and yowl, and generally make all manner of the sorts of big cat crescendo noises you’d want it to make. I’m going to go out on a limb here given this is day 1, but I don’t think I am going to want to add an MPerformance exhaust to this car. Doesn’t need it and wouldn’t suit it.

I can’t make much comment on the handling so far but the ride is good. I am glad I went for the Adaptive suspension because in the Comfort setting it rides in a much more supple manner than the non-adaptive 440i I test-drove. It is also more supple than the M135i, being more cushioned over eg speed bumps. Possibly that is aided by the longer wheelbase.

Anyway, suffice to say I love it and the wife seems so far quite impressed too. It is a much more cossetting and relaxing car than the M135i when you just aren’t in the mood, as it should be, yet it can still sharpen up its act and go like the proverbial off a shovel when you are. I suspect it will be a great companion.

One last note – the voice-activated navigation on iDrive 5 is superb. We set off last night and, although we knew perfectly well where we were going and how to get there, her ladyship wanted to try out the navigation to see how it worked and quickly found the voice activation. I was a bit cynical but it was misplaced. 10 seconds after had I uttered “Pizza Metro, Notting Hill Gate” (which I didn’t think was necessarily the easiest command), the car had worked out where we wanted to go and set the route. After dinner, we tried it again to see if it was fluke and it was equally up to the task. I am sure it can be caught out, but overall I’m impressed.





TreVoR

Lovely!
Giant

Looks like an Insignia...



Looks fabulous. Got to a candidate for best real world car on sale.
Boxer6

That does look rather special Racing; very, very nice indeed.

Look forward to hearing more about it as time goes on.
Andy C

Looks and sounds great Jonny
Big Blue

What a piece of crap. Why have you bought that????



Lovely. Frameless doors are cool. Definitely looking blue in the pictures.
Martin

Very nice.
Blarno

The GC looks better than the regular 4 series. Very tidy.
simonp

Ver' nice. Definitely my favourite current model, just wish we had some X-Drive variants in petrol flavour over here.
Sav

That looks terrific inside out, Carbon Black is one of my favourite colours.
gooner

That does look a great piece of kit. I can imagine being almost as quick in real-world driving as an M4 but with the added comfort that most day to day journeys require. Hope you enjoy it.
cbeaks1

Love it, but we need a boot shot please. I had a ride in a friends 3GT, and quite like it, but these are I. Another league looks wise.

Chip Butty has made me browse AT for 7 Series, but I'll have to have a look at these now too.
Bryan M

Looks lovely, enjoy it and a really good looking car
gonnabuildabuggy

Nice car and perfect colour combination inside and out
Michael

Congratulations, very nice indeed. I'm sure it'll make the European trip a lot more pleasant.
Chocy Rocky

Lovely. You certainly know how to choose a lovely spec.
Frank Bullitt

Does look good, the colour is fantastic - don't specifically remember seeing it before.

I did wonder if this was a thread about a 25 year old Volvo hatchback!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Frank Bullitt wrote:

I did wonder if this was a thread about a 25 year old Volvo hatchback!

My first thought when I saw the title too !

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Does look good, the colour is fantastic - don't specifically remember seeing it before.

If I'd known further in advance that you were collecting it from Guildford on a Saturday I'd have diverted there to see it before you collected it !
It probably needed a good wash by the time you got it home, judging by the state of the roads and cars around here last week.
Andy C

I honestly thought that was Tanzanite blue when I first saw this thread this morning!
JohnC

Lovely car and with all this anti-diesel crap going on, probably what I will buy next too.

Just wondering about the man maths of changing mine pre 31st March 2017 when anything with a list price over £40K is going to get another Road Tax shafting!
Bob Sacamano

It does look really good, I'm a big fan of the saddle brown leather.
Humphrey The Pug

Lovely, love the interior colour.
Racing Teatray

Many thanks for all the kind words!

I am very pleased with the way it has turned out. Quite apart from the colour combo, the wheels in particular were something I wasn't sure about. On the 3-series, I always preferred the other 403M multi-spoke 19" option, but I wasn't sure they suited the 4GC. And lo and behold I happened across a black 4GC wearing 403Ms on Bond St yesterday afternoon and knew instantly that I'd made the right call with the bicolour 442Ms I did choose.

And then there are other little things – eg the Extended Storage pack which was a spec error by the dealer but which I am happy to have it as it adds surprisingly useful little netted areas and what-have-yous in the cabin and boot - that just add to the general feel-good factor.

As regards the man maths, yes well the factors behind ordering the car now rather than next summer as previously planned (ie to replace M135i when it turned 5 years old) were:

(i) the offer was pretty good:
- 20% is a pretty good discount, which helps ease the pain of depreciation; and
- 2.9% APR isn't shabby either by car finance standards and actually beats bank finance;
(ii) I expect the purchase price to be higher next year due to one or more of the following:
- either the list price goes up to address currency depreciation or they will compensate by reducing the discounts on offer; or
- as the 4-series is due an LCI in Q2 next year, this will also present an opportunity/excuse for BMW to either raise the price or slash the discount; and
(iii) the tax issue identified by John: on my 440i (Co2 emssions of 159g/km – band G), the first year VED is just £185 and it will stay at £185 per annum under the new rules. For a 440i ordered after the new rules come in, the VED in year 1 is £810 and the VED for each of the next four years is £450. So five year's VED on my car will be £925 instead of £2,610. That's not an inconsequential saving.

I also had a look at the expected changes due to come in with the LCI next year and, given (i) that the 2017 model year F36 has already been treated to the new 3.0 engine, the new iDrive 5 and various other tweaks under BMW's rolling upgrade system, and (ii) that the LCI will only introduce the same bumper tweaks and tweaks to the front and rear lights of the 4-series as it did to the 3-series (which I am not entirely convinced by aesthetically), I decided I could happily live with the pre-LCI version.
gonnabuildabuggy

Point (iii) is a very valid one!
BeN

Blimey. It looks hella menacing in black.

Have fun with it mate.
gooner

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Point (iii) is a very valid one!


Indeed, I didn't realise they were hitting cars at that band so hard. Your other reasonings are pretty sound too. I think you may be right about the LCI offering little more than styling tweaks as they've already given it the 40i engine in place of the 35i. You're probably right about the discounts too as the attractiveness of the offer you got would have been to help keep sales up in the run up to the facelift and during the slow pre Christmas months. Looks like you jumped at the right moment.
Stuntman

Handsome car.  I like the colour, wheels and trim.  I'm still no fan of privacy glass but I'm glad you are pleased with it and I hope you have lots of pleasurable miles it it.
Racing Teatray

I thought about the privacy glass and looked at lots of pics online of 4GCs with and without PG, and decided that they looked better with it. A 4GC in the wrong spec can surprisingly look a little staid.
Racing Teatray

BeN wrote:
Blimey. It looks hella menacing in black.

Have fun with it mate.


Thanks. Have you been taking lessons in talking like Guy Ritchie?!
TreVoR

It is a stunning machine, but every time I see the topic title, this pops into my head!  




Sorry!
PhilD

TreVoR wrote:
It is a stunning machine, but every time I see the topic title, this pops into my head!  




Sorry!


Privacy glass!
Michael

An early iteration of the Gran Coupe.
Roadrunner

That (the BMW, not the Volvo) is a truly lovely thing.
gooner

TreVoR wrote:
It is a stunning machine, but every time I see the topic title, this pops into my head!  




Sorry!


There's two on sale on AT right now and both for less than the cost of Racings carbon black paint!
Martin

They're paying you to take them away?  Doesn't surprise me!

(Metallic paint is std on BMWs 440)
Racing Teatray

Quite so. That's why I didn't go for Tanzanite Blue at £845 given that Carbon Black was free...

You do have to pay for metallic paint on lesser 4s.
Twelfth Monkey

Glad you are enjoying it, may you have many happy miles together.
Roadsterstu

That looks great, Jonny. Enjoy!

What is happening to the 135?
Racing Teatray

It's gone for sale or return.
Alf McQueef

Looks great in that spec!

It sounds like the "40i" cars may have been given a better engine note than the "35i" which were always said to be a bit muted in that regard. Maybe BMW have started to make the coupes a bit lairier, like others do. But that all sounds very positive - it annoys me when you need the "full fat" petrol version to really be able to hear the engine.

Enjoy!
Giant

In true forum style,  a thread on a lovely new BMW has led to me finding these photos on the internet:



Frank Bullitt

I love the 480, just the shape and quality of them - no idea what they are like to drive although I have driven a friends 440i which compared favourably with the Skoda Estelle I was typically driving at the time!
Racing Teatray

I always liked the 480 too. I remember one of Dad's friends turning up at our holiday home in Italy in a then new black Turbo one with red bumper piping that I thought was the mutts nuts at the time.
Clunes

As a Carbon Black owner I agree with your comments entirely. To my eyes it looks a bit more classy than pure black and the way it changes in different light conditions is nice.

It's somewhat unpredictable though - the colour is very dependent on angle as well as light conditions. I've seen it looking pretty blue in overcast conditions and black from some angles in bright. Street lights bring out the colour more than most things though - as you've experienced.

Lovely motor - exactly the interior I would have specced and it sounds like a fantastic all rounder.

By chance I parked next to one the other day taking my kids swimming - crappy mobile upload not working to show pic!
Roadsterstu

Frank Bullitt wrote:
I love the 480, just the shape and quality of them - no idea what they are like to drive although I have driven a friends 440i which compared favourably with the Skoda Estelle I was typically driving at the time!


My only recollection of a brief trip in a 440 many years ago was how creaky the dashboard was.
Nice Guy Eddie

Very nice, the only thing I'd have done differently is possibly gone for the Melbourne red but on looking I don't think they offer the choice. Amazed on how poor the colour options are.

As an aside wouldn't an M4 GC be a lovely looking thing.
Racing Teatray

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Very nice, the only thing I'd have done differently is possibly gone for the Melbourne red but on looking I don't think they offer the choice. Amazed on how poor the colour options are.

As an aside wouldn't an M4 GC be a lovely looking thing.


Red not an option. Unless you go for proper Individual paint at about £2k. In which case, I'd have gone for a nice dark green. My father's new SQ5 Plus is a very dark metallic green, which is giving me mild colour envy.

M4 GC supposedly doesn't exist for the reason that the F36 GC is built in a different factory to the rest of the 3/4-series range and BMW decided it couldn't justify the cost of additionally tooling up the F36 production line for M models.
Racing Teatray

Bumped into one of the Litigation partners here over lunch who is a bit of a petrolhead and has hitherto run a rather nice 08-plate Maserati Quattroporte. Turns out he has just chopped it in for a 640d Gran Coupe in Carbon Black. He's very pleased with it and we were complimenting one another on our respectively excellent taste in paint colour…
Clunes

Racing Teatray wrote:
Bumped into one of the Litigation partners here over lunch who is a bit of a petrolhead and has hitherto run a rather nice 08-plate Maserati Quattroporte. Turns out he has just chopped it in for a 640d Gran Coupe in Carbon Black. He's very pleased with it and we were complimenting one another on our respectively excellent taste in paint colour…


A Litigation partner! I feel like I'm bringing the standard down.
Racing Teatray

cbeaks1 wrote:
Love it, but we need a boot shot please. I had a ride in a friends 3GT, and quite like it, but these are I. Another league looks wise.

Chip Butty has made me browse AT for 7 Series, but I'll have to have a look at these now too.


Boot shot complete with stylish tartan rug and wellies in a sack...



And a close-up of the colour using flash on phone:

Giant

That close-up of the paint is lovely, like a photo of deep space. Disappointing lack of attention to detail that the rug isn't colour coded to the leather.

Since this thread, I've seen over a dozen Volvo 440s, having not noticed them for years. They must be incredibly durable.
Martin

All that fuss about getting a proper carpet and then you cover it up with an old rug!
cbeaks1

Thank you!

It looks fairly commodious but without seeing a Phil & Teds stroller, 4 balls, 3 pairs of wellies, a pottette, an umbrella, a travel cot, a Belfast sink, food for a week and a dead prostitute I can't be totally sure it is fit for purpose.
Racing Teatray

cbeaks1 wrote:
Thank you!

It looks fairly commodious but without seeing a Phil & Teds stroller, 4 balls, 3 pairs of wellies, a pottette, an umbrella, a travel cot, a Belfast sink, food for a week and a dead prostitute I can't be totally sure it is fit for purpose.


There are two pairs of wellies and an umbrella in there. The rest you'll have to imagine...
Big Blue

Martin wrote:
All that fuss about getting a proper carpet and then you cover it up with an old rug!


I was thinking likewise.

The Gorilla is Sophistograu and also has a myriad of colours in certain light. In the showroom it looked very light whereas on our driveway it looks really dark.
Nice Guy Eddie

You appear to be one of those people that keeps the protective coating on the sills. I'm clawing my eyes out, it must be torn off!
Racing Teatray

No, it turned up with them on - I have since removed them for obvious reasons.
Nice Guy Eddie

Thank god, I can now sleep at night.

I'm weird in that if I see the protective film on anything, I just have to remove it. My colleague has It on his laptop for the last 6 months and still hasn't removed it. I hate him with a passion.
Martin

Surprised the dealer left it on. Did you take the nasty wing badges off at the same time?
Racing Teatray

Martin wrote:
Surprised the dealer left it on. Did you take the nasty wing badges off at the same time?


No. I suppose it has them - I hadn't actually noticed....

***goes and checks pic***

Yes it does have them. But since I hadn't noticed them, I think I can cope with them.
Tim

I presume the wellies are in the plastic bag in the boot?
I hope it's secured, I hate the rustle of plastic sliding around in the boot.
Andy C

I've just noticed a 340i touring in citrine black

Can anyone   tell me the difference between this and carbon black ?
Martin

Andy C wrote:
I've just noticed a 340i touring in citrine black

Can anyone   tell me the difference between this and carbon black ?


About £845!

Citrine black looks brown in bright sunlight iirc.
Racing Teatray

A brace of Carbon Black Gran Coupes in the car park at work today...

Happened to go down to get something from my car as the same time as my colleague with the 640d and so we were comparing cars. I have to say that the interior of the 6GC is decidedly a cut above the 4GC - all that leather and just feels much more sumptuous. But then it should, given the price differential. Plus his 6GC has the satin chrome trim around the side windows that I would liked on my car (I like the definition it adds) but which wasn't an option. But still very pleased with mine, I should add.

He was saying that he finds the 640d to be a sportier car to drive than his previous Quattroporte...

PhilD

Racing Teatray wrote:
. I have to say that the interior of the 6GC is decidedly a cut above the 4GC - all that leather and just feels much more sumptuous. But then it should, given the price differential. Plus his 6GC has the satin chrome trim around the side windows that I would liked on my car (I like the definition it adds) but which wasn't an option. But still very pleased with mine, I should add.


You could have opted for more leather, is that right?

I like the lack of chrome, particularly as you have the tints.
Martin

That's a pre LCI 6 GC, the newer ones are even nicer inside, especially with Napa or Merino leather
gooner

I still think the 4 looks better from the front than the 6. It's the headlights that make the difference, I'm just not keen on the shape of the 6's.
Racing Teatray

Martin wrote:
That's a pre LCI 6 GC, the newer ones are even nicer inside, especially with Napa or Merino leather


Yes, it's a 63-plate.
Martin

gooner wrote:
I still think the 4 looks better from the front than the 6. It's the headlights that make the difference, I'm just not keen on the shape of the 6's.


The LCI headlights look a lot better, they look slimmer and they don't have the block of indicator underneath which helps.
gooner

Martin wrote:
gooner wrote:
I still think the 4 looks better from the front than the 6. It's the headlights that make the difference, I'm just not keen on the shape of the 6's.


The LCI headlights look a lot better, they look slimmer and they don't have the block of indicator underneath which helps.


Doesn't change my opinion I'm afraid!
JohnC

Tim wrote:
I presume the wellies are in the plastic bag in the boot?
I hope it's secured, I hate the rustle of plastic sliding around in the boot.


Racing has the storage pack so he will have a nice bag of nets he can use in the boot to keep his wellies in place. However he will also have under floor storage which is probably big enough for a couple of size 9's


Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
You appear to be one of those people that keeps the protective coating on the sills. I'm clawing my eyes out, it must be torn off!


My wife is always saying she wants to peel the blue bits off an i8 we see regularly!
Clunes

I do rather like the front end of the 4 as well - it has a sharper look to it but I also really like the 6 (as you'd expect to be fair!)

Here is the pic of the 6GC next to a 4GC at swimming a few weeks back:



And a pic of mine that makes the car look a lot shorter than it really is but am posting as the blue in the carbon black shows a little where the sun hits it

JohnC

I actually prefer the front of the 6 to the front of the 4 and carbon black has always been and always will be a great colour. The first time I remember seeing it was on an E46 M3 but Mercedes had a Blue Black Metallic which was very close and I had it on my 1992 E300-24V.
Roadsterstu

Martin wrote:
That's a pre LCI 6 GC, the newer ones are even nicer inside, especially with Napa or Merino leather


Spotter alert  
Roadrunner

I went to the local cycle shop this morning to collect something ready for Santa'a sleigh and what should be parked outside, but a Carbon Black 4 GC. It looked very good indeed.

That was not the star of the show, however, becuase the cycle shop is practically next door to Rennsport's jaw dropping emporium, which always makes visits to that particular business park such a pleasure.
Martin

Roadsterstu wrote:
Martin wrote:
That's a pre LCI 6 GC, the newer ones are even nicer inside, especially with Napa or Merino leather


Spotter alert  


Martin

I had my first ride in a 4GC today, when a colleague gave me a lift to lunch.  It's a 420d Luxury, in Midnight Blue on standard 18s but with HUD, heated rear seats and adaptive suspension on top of standard sports seats and professional navigation.

Slightly surprisingly, it does feel different to a standard 3 series inside, it's much nicer than the 320d SE I had on holiday.  I like the changes to the navigation / idrive system and really liked the HUD, that's something I wish I'd opted for on mine.   It completely fails the rear seat test, as despite not having a sunroof, I couldn't sit upright (my 15yr olds head would be touching the roof) and it does generally feel a bit cramped both in the back and the front, but its not really fair to compare it to a 5 series.   The ride was OK, but too soft for me in comfort and the road noise was really annoying, mainly tyre noise, but also with more wind noise than I'm used to at 60mph.
Racing Teatray

JohnC wrote:
I actually prefer the front of the 6 to the front of the 4 and carbon black has always been and always will be a great colour. The first time I remember seeing it was on an E46 M3 but Mercedes had a Blue Black Metallic which was very close and I had it on my 1992 E300-24V.


My 500E was Blue Black metallic.
gonnabuildabuggy

Martin wrote:
It completely fails the rear seat test, as despite not having a sunroof, I couldn't sit upright (my 15yr olds head would be touching the roof) and it does generally feel a bit cramped both in the back and the front, but its not really fair to compare it to a 5 series.


Both the A5 and A7 failed the rear seat test on Saturday when I found a dealer with both in (fail for Audi Northampton, pass for Imperial Cars).

With two 6ft teenagers, this is a problem.
Chip Butty

It's life's way of telling you to get an A8, 7 Series or S Class.
Racing Teatray

I figured it wasn't likely to be an issue for us any time within the likely ownership period...
PhilD

Martin wrote:
I had my first ride in a 4GC today, when a colleague gave me a lift to lunch.  "It's a 420d Luxury, in Midnight Blue on standard 18s but with HUD, heated rear seats and adaptive suspension on top of standard sports seats and professional navigation" I thought to myself as we walked towards it across the carpark.



FYP.
Martin

Pretty much all apart from the heated rear seats!  I've not seen that colour before as far as I remember so had to last him
Racing Teatray

I would have had midnight blue, which is really a sort of blue-green. But you can't get it with MSport trim unless you fork out for full-on Individual paint.
gonnabuildabuggy

Chip Butty wrote:
It's life's way of telling you to get an A8, 7 Series or S Class.


Unfortunately an Estate type boot opening is required.
Martin

Then a 5 Series Estate is the answer... looks great, decent size boot / interior, refined / comfortable, not an SUV, nicer inside than all the above options except the A8 etc (all imho!).  
Big Blue

Yeah. F11 5-series with a shed-load of options ticked takes some beating.
Racing Teatray

Two things I noticed this morning loading up the car:

(i) it doesn't have any interior grab handles!; and

(ii) you can't slam shut a powered bootlid so packing becomes an art form!
cbeaks1

I have found you can give a powered boot a helpful shove to the bottom and it will close happily. BMW may be less cooperative
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Martin wrote:
Then a 5 Series Estate is the answer... looks great, decent size boot / interior, refined / comfortable, not an SUV, nicer inside than all the above options except the A8 etc (all imho!).  

It's a bit on the wide side, also the seating position is too low for me. If only there were a pseudo-SUV version with a more vertical tailgate too.... the X5 is a mobile barn but there is a gulf between the 5-series estate/touring and the X5 that nobody seems to be filling at the moment with the possible exception opf the Passat estate (which is plain dull).  Even Volvo are going the "lifestyle" way with sloping rear ends
Bob Sacamano

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Martin wrote:
Then a 5 Series Estate is the answer... looks great, decent size boot / interior, refined / comfortable, not an SUV, nicer inside than all the above options except the A8 etc (all imho!).  

It's a bit on the wide side, also the seating position is too low for me. If only there were a pseudo-SUV version with a more vertical tailgate too.... the X5 is a mobile barn but there is a gulf between the 5-series estate/touring and the X5 that nobody seems to be filling at the moment with the possible exception opf the Passat estate (which is plain dull).  Even Volvo are going the "lifestyle" way with sloping rear ends


A gulf?? A gulf between a 5 series estate and an X5? How so? Buy an X3.
Martin

What's the gulf?  The X5 boot capacity is only 15% greater and the boot doesn't slope that much on the 5 Series estate.  The Passat has the same size boot as an X5 and the X3 boot capacity is slightly less than the 5.
PG

440 looks good. Enjoy it.

Interesting point re being unable to overpack a powered boot lid. Never thought about that before.
Chip Butty

Firstly -  where are my manners.....Lovely car Racing - excellent choice of interior colour scheme.

Secondly - on the subject of accommodation for gangly yoofs in the back seat. I shall be quoting myself from when I took the bird car hunting last year :


Quote:
Went to look at new 3 and 5 series BMWs on Saturday and walked out confused.

If you set the driver's seat in a 3 series for me (pretty much all as low and as far back as it will go), there is still a reasonable amount of room for a small person to sit behind me.

If you do the same in a 5 series - the back of the driver's seat is not far off touching the rear bench seat (only amputees need apply). If I them move the seat up and forward to match the space the 3 series offered, it feels a touch cramped.

To make sure this wasn't some kind of fat seated, m sport anomaly - we repeated the exercise with SE spec tourings... with no differences noted.

This was most disappointing - particularly when the 3 series touring boot is quite narrow (rear shock towers intrude a fair bit) and the boot in the 5 series touring is ok. However - the Mondeo estate nails them harder than a sailor on shore leave when it comes to accommodation and boot space.
.

The F11 is a lovely car - but weirdly small when set for myself as the driver.

Whatever you have to carry - can't you just put it into smaller loads and buy a big saloon ?.

Or, you could say what my dad said when he bought an XJ6

" Sorry son, you haven't got much room in the back, but tough shite, I've always wanted an XJ6 so stop moaning "
Big Blue

I've got BMW OGIO luggage. If we're going away and it doesn't fit in there we don't need it.
Martin

Legroom wasn't the issue with the 4GC, it was headroom.  

I can easily sit in the rear seat of mine when the drivers seat is set for me and my eldest sits on the other side anyway, so there's plenty of room for future growth.   The rear legroom looks worse than it is due to the seat base being quite a bit longer than the one in the 3/4 series and partly due to that, it's a lot more comfortable.  It's still somewhere off the new 7 which has fantastic rear seats, the standard ones are nicer than the upgraded reclining ones (with footrest) in the S Class.  The 5 isn't lounging around big in the back, but neither is a 7/A8/S Class, if you have one of those it would have to be the LWB to give you the space you'd expect.
PhilD

Martin wrote:
Legroom wasn't the issue with the 4GC, it was headroom.  



Short legs, long body? Massive quiff?!
Martin

Low roof.
Tim

I parked our new 320 next to an E39 5 Series yesterday and the 3 is about an inch longer.

It's huge inside compared to an E46.
Racing Teatray

PhilD wrote:
Martin wrote:
Legroom wasn't the issue with the 4GC, it was headroom.  



Short legs, long body? Massive quiff?!


That'll be it! As I have long legs, short body and increasingly less hair...so the 4GC suits me just fine!

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