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Martin

2014 F1 Cars

For years there's been the occasional road car that is supposed to sound like an F1 car and some have got close, but now we have a situation where there are many that sound better! The turbo adds some interest to the sound, but I don't like all the whooshes,whistles and whines.  There's nothing to beat a big naturally aspirated engine. I never thought I'd have a car that sounds better than an F1 car......

It is going to take a lot of getting used to, I need to see them live.

On a positive note, good to see that they're quite a handful to drive, especially when it's wet and it was a good qualifying session.
Giant

3.5l V10s sounded the best.

I've not seen qualifying yet, do they all whoosh and whistle in the same way or does each engine have it's own sound? I remember when Ferrari (and Lamborghini?) stuck with V12s far longer than anyone else, the differing engine sounds added interest.
Martin

They all sound broadly the same, but I've not really concentrated on individual cars.
Big TC

I used to be able to tell the difference between the teams using the Cosworth DFV, simply because of the different exhaust solutions used. (I'm talking track-side).

I have read somewhere that the 3 different power units have distinct differences to their sound this year, but this didn't seem to come across on the tv for the qualifying.

Give 'em all big-block Chevies, I say....
PhilD

Re: 2014 F1 Cars

Martin wrote:
There's nothing to beat a big naturally aspirated engine.


well the 2.4s were hardly massive but still, tuned in this morning (on the radio) and they sounded bloody awful!
Humphrey The Pug

I actually quite like the sound of the new cars and I particularly like that you can now hear what's going on in the  pits, tyre squeals, in car radio, the crowd etc now the engine is a lot quieter.
him

^^^ Agree, the V8s were just loud...

The V10s and V12s sounded good, but the V8s just made a lot of volume IMO.
Bob Sacamano

I thought they sounded shite. Like synthesised computer games.
Eff One

The V8s were bloody loud, but there wasn't much in the way of music - just a tinny shriek. If you catch a new car on its own the sound is actually quite interesting and complex - V6 burble, turbo whistle, lots of different noises under braking. The onboard soundtrack reminds me of an LMP1 car.

The problem at the moment is that because they're so much quieter, not much of that sound is being relayed to TV viewers. They need to turn the trackside microphones up.
Twelfth Monkey

The cars sound shit.  I'm surprised how much that detracted from the experience for me.
Martin

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
The cars sound shit. I'm surprised how much that detracted from the experience for me.


We felt the same.  All that whooshing and tyre squeeling was a bit too McDonalds carpark for me.
Eff One

Martin wrote:
All that whooshing and tyre squeeling was a bit too McDonalds carpark for me.


The tyres haven't suddenly started squealing...

This is quite an interesting clip from testing in Bahrain - allows you to hear the individual engines which are clearly distinguishable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtHDxhWxqq0
Martin

Eff One wrote:
Martin wrote:
All that whooshing and tyre squeeling was a bit too McDonalds carpark for me.


The tyres haven't suddenly started squealing...

This is quite an interesting clip from testing in Bahrain - allows you to hear the individual engines which are clearly distinguishable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtHDxhWxqq0


Of course they haven't, but I can hear it now!
Frank Bullitt

Martin wrote:
Eff One wrote:
Martin wrote:
All that whooshing and tyre squeeling was a bit too McDonalds carpark for me.


The tyres haven't suddenly started squealing...

This is quite an interesting clip from testing in Bahrain - allows you to hear the individual engines which are clearly distinguishable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtHDxhWxqq0


Of course they haven't, but I can hear it now!


Yes, I think there was a decent engine note hiding it before - I can't remember the exact comment by Coulthard early in the race but it was along the lines of 'I've no idea whether Hamilton's (I think...) engine is sick or not as they all sound like Massey Fergusson's'.

Great racing, but I'm missing the V8's and V10's, not sure what RPM they are changing up at but it sounds like they are behind the Safety Car when on full-acceleration.
Tim

They're rev-limited to 15k but I think they might've all been being cautious about fuel consumption and not necessarily taking them that high.

They also seemed to be coming off the throttle pretty early before corners - it reminded me of those times in the past when they've been told to save fuel or protect a hot engine.
PG

Eff One wrote:
The V8s were bloody loud, but there wasn't much in the way of music - just a tinny shriek.......

The problem at the moment is that because they're so much quieter, not much of that sound is being relayed to TV viewers. They need to turn the trackside microphones up.


I'm an old git - I agree with you re the V8's. It was hardly a melodic V8 burble, just a siren on 100%.

I did like that you could now hear the crowd and the other goings-on. But a bit more trackside noise would be better. The TV producers are probably having to re-learn how to broadcast the sport, as much as the racers / teams relearning how to manage and drive the cars.
Tim

There was a mention in the commentary about the gear ratios being fixed.

Is that fixed as in "they have to choose the gear ratios for that particular circuit before 1st practice" or fixed as in "once they've picked the gear ratios they're stuck with them for the whole season"?
Sav

Tim wrote:


Is that fixed as in "they have to choose the gear ratios for that particular circuit before 1st practice" or fixed as in "once they've picked the gear ratios they're stuck with them for the whole season"?


The latter with only one change allowed after Melbourne.
Tim

Sav wrote:
Tim wrote:


Is that fixed as in "they have to choose the gear ratios for that particular circuit before 1st practice" or fixed as in "once they've picked the gear ratios they're stuck with them for the whole season"?


The latter with only one change allowed after Melbourne.


That would explain why some of them barely seemed to be using 8th gear then - they've got it set up for Monza.
Martin

Tim wrote:
Sav wrote:
Tim wrote:


Is that fixed as in "they have to choose the gear ratios for that particular circuit before 1st practice" or fixed as in "once they've picked the gear ratios they're stuck with them for the whole season"?


The latter with only one change allowed after Melbourne.


That would explain why some of them barely seemed to be using 8th gear then - they've got it set up for Monza.


Yes, apart from Williams.  Bottas was regularly up in 8th, so he

I missed the on board telemetry too.  Brundle mentioned it and if I understood him correctly, he was expecting something on fuel consumption to be made available?
Tim

Martin wrote:
I missed the on board telemetry too. Brundle mentioned it and if I understood him correctly, he was expecting something on fuel consumption to be made available?


That was mentioned in commentary on the BBC too.
I think they said they were hoping for something 'later in the race' but it obviously never materialised.
Mark

What I want to see is a true cost comparison (with signs) after all of these stupid changes have taken place - taking into account all the money that teams have plunged into simulated testing etc etc. does it actually save any money?

The cars now sound utterly shit. My 944 sounded better than what I was hearing yesterday...
Eff One

This hasn't been a cost-saving exercise and as far as I'm aware was never intended as such. It was done to bring F1 more in line with the way road cars are going, to make some sort of PR nod towards greenness, and to keep the manufacturers interested. If they'd stuck with the old V8s, Renault would have walked for sure and Honda wouldn't be coming in.

The noise is what it is. Doesn't bother me particularly, but the TV bods can do plenty to restore the aural drama by tweaking the way sound is picked up around the circuits. And I'm sure they will.
Mark

Eff One wrote:
This hasn't been a cost-saving exercise and as far as I'm aware was never intended as such. It was done to bring F1 more in line with the way road cars are going, to make some sort of PR nod towards greenness, and to keep the manufacturers interested. If they'd stuck with the old V8s, Renault would have walked for sure and Honda wouldn't be coming in.

The noise is what it is. Doesn't bother me particularly, but the TV bods can do plenty to restore the aural drama by tweaking the way sound is picked up around the circuits. And I'm sure they will.


I'm almost certain that a very large part of the banning/reduction of/tweaking of allowable testing time on track over recent years was/is to reduce (or cap) costs.

The only reference I was making to the actual engines was their pathetic sound.
Scouse

I have no real beef with the engine noise. Sure it could be louder, but I quite like the various chuffs and whistles.
By all accounts it's a massive technical achievement to get everything working in harmony and at the end of the day they are still revving to fifteen thousand rpm. I'd much rather the teams had to try and work that type of technical problem than spend 24/7 in the wind tunnel creating another angled bit of wing.

Personally I'd rather the teams were banned from running simulators and wind tunnels for more than say 4 hours a day and were allowed more track testing time. The idea that banning testing would reduce costs was just laughable.

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