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Racing Teatray

£20k...

Toying with the idea of replacing the M135i with something broadly non-depreciating for circa £20k.

Should ideally be fast, fun, luxurious and have four seats, and look good, and be pretty much at the bottom of its depreciation curve. Less worried about the running costs, as my usage is pretty low.

Candidates I've been eying include:

BMW M3 E46 (coupe or convertible). A CS would be nice but £20k seems a lot for an E46 already, and not sure the wife would be thrilled.

Jaguar XK convertible. Ideally an R or a 5.0. However, I'm really not sure about the image and the rear seats are actually unusable (having had a look).

Maserati 4200 Coupe (Spyder only has two seats). My wife loves them and I am tempted but I suspect it's hard to find a really nice one.

Mercedes R230 SL. I'd want a 2007-8 SL500 with the considerably more powerful 5.5 litre engine but with the original styling (ie before they uglyfied it with the squared off headlamps), preferably in AMG spec. But wife thinks they are naff.

Mercedes CLK63 convertible – hard to find a good one and relatively expensive.  

Porsche 911. In theory, my approx. £20k budget could stretch to a very early and leggy 997 C2 coupe. But I think I'd rather get a tidy low mileage manual 996 Targa like the one I posted about over Easter, which looked pretty much ideal. A C4S would be nice but they are £25k for good ones.

Others I have considered and for now dismissed:

Audi S5 – I test-drove one a few years ok and it was a bit underwhelming.

Audi RS4 convertible – sounds great, but a little odd-looking and I understand they are disappointing to drive.

BMW 335i convertible – not interesting enough and will depreciate.

BMW M6 – been there, done that with the M5, and the M6 is surprisingly pricey still.

Jaguar XK-8 convertible. Just not really feeling the love for these.

Mercedes R129 SL320/500. I love these and I think now would be a good time to buy in, but my wife is not a fan.

Anything I have completely forgotten about in the world of usable fast and interesting four-seat coupe/convertibles for around £20k?
Michael

Aston Martin DB7?
Stuntman

Is the E92 M3 dismissed?  Better value than an E46, certainly.  
VXR8, or does it fail the twin tests of image and size?

Otherwise, nope.  Can't think of anything worthy from say Sweden or Japan.
DetmoldDick

E Klasse convertable:
May not be at the bottom of its depreciation, but sure to increase one day. 5k under your price limit too.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...&price-to=22500&logcode=p

ps Love the bit about upgrading to a Jeep  

Edited to add: It may be a bit weak for you.
Nice Guy Eddie

Candidates I've been eying include:

BMW M3 E46 (coupe or convertible).
Love these, they've gone through the knuckle dragger phase and come out the otherside into proper classic territory, though I'm with you that they do look big money. Coupe only


Jaguar XK convertible. XKR's are great but I'd want a facelifted version which I think are post 08 and will set you back 25k but compared to a Maser look much better value

Maserati 4200 Coupe (Spyder only has two seats). I've put my thought on the other thread

Mercedes R230 SL. You're missus is correct, they are a little naff but a lot of car for the money

Mercedes CLK63 convertible – I'd probably go for this over an SL55

Porsche 911. I'd be looking at Caymans/Boxsters at this price point



Audi S5 – Not for me but again a lot better looking in Cabrio form

Audi RS4 convertible – Looks really old hat, an Avant is still a cool car though

BMW 335i convertible – A bit boring given everything else your looking at

BMW M6 – More than a little tempting


Mercedes R129 SL320/500. Good ones will go up in value

Anything I have completely forgotten about in the world of usable fast and interesting four-seat coupe/convertibles for around £20k? [/i]

Would you look at anything older - like an Alfetta GTV6
How cheap are DB7s?
Subaru P1 (Can't really see you in one of those)
Racing Teatray

Decent DB7s no longer that cheap.

Anything older than late 90s is going to be an awfully hard sell to my wife.

Not many E92s M3s in budget because I would want the LCI one with DSG and plenty of FG.

Not at all keen on the styling of that generation of E-class coupe and convertible. I do like the old W124s but they are about as sporting as a sofa and the wife would have conniptions at the very thought.
JohnC

Something like this might bring some enjoyment and not fall off a cliff depreciation wise:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...=cv346gj&page=1&logcode=p

Or just get this and any itch will have been well and truly scratched:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...to=25000&page=1&logcode=p
Racing Teatray

My wife has gone off Porsches slightly on the mildly spurious grounds that a couple of her friends have just bought one.
Bob Sacamano

Convertible Abarth 595 Competitzione. You know that's what your wife really wants.
JohnC

You can get an E92 M3 convertible for low £20Ks

Something like this perhaps. I know it is not a post LCI but it has lots of things the other cars don't.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...mp;postcode=cv346gj&logcode=p
Michael

JohnC wrote:
Something like this might bring some enjoyment and not fall off a cliff depreciation wise:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...=cv346gj&page=1&logcode=p



I personally think that's got quite a bit of cliff to fall off. I don't see why, in a few years, that won't be a £5k car.
JohnC

Michael wrote:
JohnC wrote:
Something like this might bring some enjoyment and not fall off a cliff depreciation wise:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...=cv346gj&page=1&logcode=p



I personally think that's got quite a bit of cliff to fall off. I don't see why, in a few years, that won't be a £5k car.


It will certainly fall in value but I reckon it would still be worth £10K in 3 or 4 years. It won't hold its value like a 4200 but it is also nowhere near as likely to throw you a few £2K to £5K curved balls for repairs.

What you lose in depreciation, you save in other ways. But let's not kid ourselves: no big engined 10+ year old car is going to be cheap to own/run/repair
Nelson

not sure if this is quite at the plateau of it's depreciation but this appeals to me if I could afford the hideous fuel costs. Not a coupe but it's fast, loaded with kit, not to expensive to maintain (apart from fuel), seats 4 and did I mention it's fast...I've driven a few and they are a right laugh

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/clas...rch-target=usedcars&logcode=p
Michael

Nelson wrote:
not sure if this is quite at the plateau of it's depreciation but this appeals to me if I could afford the hideous fuel costs. Not a coupe but it's fast, loaded with kit, not to expensive to maintain (apart from fuel), seats 4 and did I mention it's fast...I've driven a few and they are a right laugh

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/clas...rch-target=usedcars&logcode=p


You've never met Racing, have you?
Martin

Clearly not and more importantly, I can see Mrs Racing being a fan.

I can think of anything you've missed with a four seat / no depreciation requirement.
JohnC

How about one of these?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...mp;quicksearch=true&logcode=p
Racing Teatray

£4k service....and they say the Italian car has heavy servicing costs!
Nelson

Michael wrote:
Nelson wrote:
not sure if this is quite at the plateau of it's depreciation but this appeals to me if I could afford the hideous fuel costs. Not a coupe but it's fast, loaded with kit, not to expensive to maintain (apart from fuel), seats 4 and did I mention it's fast...I've driven a few and they are a right laugh

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/clas...rch-target=usedcars&logcode=p


You've never met Racing, have you?


Nope, but let me guess. It's a Vauxhall...end of
JohnC

Racing Teatray wrote:
£4k service....and they say the Italian car has heavy servicing costs!


Yes but it's an RS4! Some things in life are worth it!
gonnabuildabuggy

My thoughts added to Eddie's, I think the market is due a bit of a correction and certainly locally the housing market has gone from scalding to tepid at best and (stupid) prices are now dropping.

Candidates I've been eying include:

BMW M3 E46 (coupe or convertible).
Love these, they've gone through the knuckle dragger phase and come out the otherside into proper classic territory, though I'm with you that they do look big money. Coupe only.

Same, but only one of the lot other than R230 that I would say is depreciation proof, and relatively sane running costs. Most likely to appreciate too. Look long and hard and you'll find one for sensible cash.


Jaguar XK convertible. XKR's are great but I'd want a facelifted version which I think are post 08 and will set you back 25k but compared to a Maser look much better value

Sensible car and running costs, but I think has scope to depreciate a lot more yet. Old man image will be a barrier to appreciation.


Maserati 4200 Coupe (Spyder only has two seats). I've put my thought on the other thread

Running costs. Nuff said.


Mercedes R230 SL. You're missus is correct, they are a little naff but a lot of car for the money

Also likely to appreciate and well built so relatively safe on bills. Only issue for you is whether you might need 4 seats occassionally? Naff image will cease over time and appreciation should kick in nicely then, though lots about.

Mercedes CLK63 convertible – I'd probably go for this over an SL55.

Interesting one. Still a lot of depreciating to do I'd say, very practical option though, but I'm not sure how special it will feel. Personally I'd go for an SL55 but that's more on looks than anything else.

Porsche 911. I'd be looking at Caymans/Boxsters at this price point.

Same, personally the ability of a Porsche to give you a big bill is still quite scary. Boxsters are too plentiful to appreciate like a 911 at them moment.


Audi S5 – Not for me but again a lot better looking in Cabrio form

I like them a lot, and the idea of an A4 sized car with a V8 appeals but I suspect not that great to drive compared to the powertrain. The 5 door would be a very practical car. Perhaps only worth looking at if well trimmed/specd'

Audi RS4 convertible – Looks really old hat, an Avant is still a cool car though

I like a lot. Is a fabric roof a security risk in London?

BMW 335i convertible – A bit boring given everything else your looking at

Only worth buying at £10K I'd say. But all the car you ever need in the real world. Been looking at these a lot recently. Again needs to be spec'd well though.

BMW M6 – More than a little tempting

Same


Mercedes R129 SL320/500. Good ones will go up in value

Definitely
Racing Teatray

Nelson wrote:
Michael wrote:
Nelson wrote:
not sure if this is quite at the plateau of it's depreciation but this appeals to me if I could afford the hideous fuel costs. Not a coupe but it's fast, loaded with kit, not to expensive to maintain (apart from fuel), seats 4 and did I mention it's fast...I've driven a few and they are a right laugh

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/clas...rch-target=usedcars&logcode=p


You've never met Racing, have you?


Nope, but let me guess. It's a Vauxhall...end of


Not so much that it's a Vauxhall but that it's a VXR8. A car I am happy exists but which I have no desire to own. I think you pretty much need to be Thomas Crown before you can pull off a VXR8 with any degree of panache.
Racing Teatray

Fabric roof not a major concern - unusually for central London, I have a private gated driveway.
Andy C

Can't you up the budget very slightly and get a nice c63 saloon in grey, on 18s, de badged


Racing Teatray

No budget-upping.
Giant

Quattroporte?
Merc CL?
Conti GT?
Giant

I think it's time the Forum got a Bentley:
Stuntman

You could rent it out.  AirBnB style!
JohnC

Just think how comfortable the cross Continent travelling would be.
Bryan M

Another Bentley, a bit more footballer
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...=default&page=2&logcode=p
PhilD

Bryan M wrote:
Another Bentley, a bit more footballer
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...=default&page=2&logcode=p


High mileage but wow that's cheap. And that't not really footballer spec, I like.
PG

Call me a party pooper if you like, but personally I don't get four seat convertibles. Many have amputee only rear seats. And assuming people can get in the rear seats, with the roof up the rear is like a coal hole; with the roof down the rear passengers get air blasted to death (or grit blasted in cities).

So if you want four seats, I'd go the coupe route. CLK; XKR; M6; Maser; 911. Take you pick.
TreVoR

I'd take the Maser over a Bentley. Go for it.
Martin

TreVoR wrote:
I'd take the Maser over a Bentley. Go for it.


That's it, you must not buy the Maserati!      
TreVoR

Martin wrote:
TreVoR wrote:
I'd take the Maser over a Bentley. Go for it.


That's it, you must not buy the Maserati!      


I think anyone on this forum can buy with impunity and live in the knowledge that I will have a catastrophic failure for no good reason instead.
gooner

Is an 8 series too old? They're around £15 for a decent one and I reckon values are only going one way.

This looks pretty good, though it is top money.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201407065589343
Chris M Wanted a V-10

gooner wrote:
Is an 8 series too old? They're around £15 for a decent one and I reckon values are only going one way.

I'd snap one up at £15; did you mean £15k ???
gooner

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
gooner wrote:
Is an 8 series too old? They're around £15 for a decent one and I reckon values are only going one way.

I'd snap one up at £15; did you mean £15k ???


I imagine that was a typo on my part rather than the optimistic offer that Mike Brewer would churn out.

This also looks good. Not in any way original but fun and definitely likely to appreciate in value:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201511279047746

Thinking more modern but with usable rear seats, what about a Merc CL500? Or even a CL63 AMG. 2007 models are just about in your price range.
gonnabuildabuggy

C63 is good shout, I'd have thought you might just get one for £20K?
Big Blue

??

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201604273384882
Andy C

Big Blue wrote:
??

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201604273384882


Great shout
Michael

Presumably got the same non LCI issues as an M3?
Sav

My top three would be an E46 M3, 996 or a Cayman. CS M3’s could be had for under 20K a while ago, but prices have risen. For the CS’s that do exist, manuals are almost non-existent. The last one I saw was 29K….which would get you a great later E92 M3.

For some reason I love the 996 C4S.
Chip Butty

I'd get something older and more interesting, but the

8 series is a really good shout (as has been suggested above)

This C126

http://www.theslshop.com/mercedes-benz-420-sec.html

R107s are lovely, but they are two seat only and they are getting really pricey - however, this one is delightful

http://www.theslshop.com/mercedes-benz-350-sl.html

C107s are 4 seat and this one is fab

http://www.couttsautomobiles.co.u...wroom/mercedes-benz-slc450-coupe/

The XJ-C is stunning in the right colour (not the one shown) - but I appreciate they are not for everyone

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C742374

Otherwise I am out of ideas - but I am sure you can do better than an E46 M3 or a early noughties Porsche.

I'd be in a supercharged Jag with little regard for anything else, but that's no surprise.
Racing Teatray

I love the 8-series dearly but good ones in a decent colour combination are awfully hard to find and they can proffer up monster bills just as easily as any contemporary Maserati.

The Mercs you mention are all too old, as is the XJ-C, much as I might like all of them.

I don't feel old enough for any of the supercharged Jags in budget. There are two XKRs in the development where I live and they are both driven by coffin-dodgers.

A late XJ-S 6.0 V12 would be lovely but it's not remotely wife-compatible.
JohnC

Looking at the list of potentially ruinous metal listed above, I think I would keep what you have!
Chip Butty

TVR Cerbera

http://www.pistonheads.com/classi.../tvr-cerbera-4-2-1997/4931646?v=c

http://www.pistonheads.com/classi...era-4-0-speed-six-2dr/4984150?v=c
Stuntman

Those Cerberas do look nice in the pictures, but I think JohnC's post might be the best advice in this thread!
PhilD

Stuntman wrote:
Those Cerberas do look nice in the pictures, but I think JohnC's post might be the best advice in this thread!


Keep a 1 series BMW when you could have a Maserati? Boooo....
Martin

JohnC wrote:
Looking at the list of potentially ruinous metal listed above, I think I would keep what you have!


+1

Or upgrade your wife's 500 to a 500X (think you like them iirc) and get a 997.2 Boxster to Cayman.  Get the spec right and you'll have something that feels rather special.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

A bit of haggling required here:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...r-id/2500087/usedcars?logcode=flp

or this one:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...series_gran_turismo&logcode=p

or:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...ler-id/13713/usedcars?logcode=flp
Stuntman

PhilD wrote:
Stuntman wrote:
Those Cerberas do look nice in the pictures, but I think JohnC's post might be the best advice in this thread!


Keep a 1 series BMW when you could have a Maserati? Boooo....


Fair comment.  It's Italian, good-looking, and it has a V8.
Michael

Racing doesn't need a reliable everyday car so he'd be mad not to exploit the opportunity. Why he isn't going the whole hog and getting a Ferrari 400 is the real issue.
gooner

Chip Butty wrote:
TVR Cerbera

http://www.pistonheads.com/classi.../tvr-cerbera-4-2-1997/4931646?v=c

http://www.pistonheads.com/classi...era-4-0-speed-six-2dr/4984150?v=c


What could possibly go wrong with a TVR....
Frank Bullitt

Cambiocorsa;

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201603172064277

or manual;

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201604223250613
Big Blue

In that CC ad wtf is that cd changer? Installed in the dark by a man with poor eyesight???
Chip Butty

Quote:
What could possibly go wrong with a TVR....


Lots, but they are simpler and less expensive to fix than a Maser-arsey.

Especially if you buy one of the 6 cylinder ones with the TVR power rebuild (5 year warranty).
Frank Bullitt

Big Blue wrote:
In that CC ad wtf is that cd changer? Installed in the dark by a man with poor eyesight???


Yes, it does look like it's been thrown in by a drunken monkey
PhilD

Love that the silver one comes with its own model


JohnC

On the basis that my previous suggestion will be ignored and that:
1. Racing doesn't need a car during the week
2. A family is potentially in the pipeline
3. Mrs R will get a 500X for family duties
4. Money will be tighter
5. This car is to put a smile on the face.

I give you something Japanese:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...isting/dealer-id/2500087/usedcars
JohnC

I know you think these are all driven by "undesirable" types Racing but it has 4 seats, a 5 litre engine, a seriously rare black steering wheel and a sun roof:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...mp;postcode=rg238bg&logcode=p
Chris M Wanted a V-10

JohnC wrote:
I know you think these are all driven by "undesirable" types Racing but it has 4 seats, a 5 litre engine, a seriously rare black steering wheel and a sun roof:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...mp;postcode=rg238bg&logcode=p

For the age and low mileage, if you can haggle it down to £20k, that looks very good value for money (albeit £505 VED per annum and the quoted 15mpg....)
gooner

Chip Butty wrote:
Quote:
What could possibly go wrong with a TVR....


Lots, but they are simpler and less expensive to fix than a Maser-arsey.

Especially if you buy one of the 6 cylinder ones with the TVR power rebuild (5 year warranty).


I wouldn't suggest to Mark that they are simple and less expensive to fix. Or that a TVR power rebuild provides some security!
Racing Teatray

CL is a whale of a car and just doesn't grab me.

And the Lexus I don't like at all.

Plus I've had umpteen cars which are hotted up versions of otherwise normal cars. I quite fancy one which isn't. Which is where Porsches, Maseratis and TVRs score.

I do like Griffiths but the potential reliability would concern me. Particularly for a car that isn't garaged.

But thanks for the suggestions!
Chip Butty

I wouldn't suggest to Mark that they are simple and less expensive to fix. Or that a TVR power rebuild provides some security!


Not sure what your point is ?, you are making an extrapolation based on a sample of one.

Go check a Maserati/Porsche/a n other forum and see how much it cost those poor bastards to have an engine or gearbox rebuilt.

Selecting an old Maserati, Porsche or Tvr purely on the basis that it is least likely to break expensively than the others is like selecting which type of bear trap you would like to snag your testicles on.
Racing Teatray

I have other friends who had TVRs and they were always complaining about reliability, rust etc.

It's not the cost that bothers me such as the risk of getting stranded. If I had a garage, then a TVR could be OK, but I don't see one living outside on the drive, even under a cover.

Also the only coupe TVRs are the Tamora thingy which I don't like, the Sagaris which is much too mental and a potential moneypit (I had a friend with one and he said it was more expensive to run than his Ferrari 456 - the Sagaris needed a ground-up rebuilt when it was barely 5 years old), and the Cerbera which has the most problematic engines.
Bryan M

If you are after day to day reliability and ability to leave outside then a 911 (or even 928) must be near the top of the list!
gooner

Chip Butty wrote:
I wouldn't suggest to Mark that they are simple and less expensive to fix. Or that a TVR power rebuild provides some security!


Not sure what your point is ?, you are making an extrapolation based on a sample of one.
.


Looks like it, apparently all the other TVRs ever built are so reliable it's a wonder Lexus aren't trying to emulate them.

Of course all older luxury cars, even Mercs and Porsches are able to throw up the sort of bill that will tempt you to just tear up your driving licence and be done with it. But you stated that TVRs are simpler and inferred that one with a TVR power engine rebuild will makes it a safer bet. It by no means does and some of the issues Marks described are ones I'd never even thought of.
TreVoR

To be fair to both TVR and Chip Butty, I have been particularly unlucky and I wouldn't use mine as a general idea of TVR reliability.
Racing Teatray

My point is that I wasn't!
TreVoR

I know you weren't, but Alex was generalising based on my experience. You are right though, they don't like living outside and if they do, they get scruffy and unreliable very quickly.
gooner

TreVoR wrote:
I know you weren't, but Alex was generalising based on my experience. You are right though, they don't like living outside and if they do, they get scruffy and unreliable very quickly.


It's not just your experience though, is it? Surely TVR Power wouldn't have built a business around rebuilding their engines if they were mostly able to cope with more than 20000miles from the factory. The chassis problems were also well known to the specialists you dealt with. So were you really unlucky with the mechanical issues or merely unlucky enough to pick one that hadn't had the manufacturing defects ironed out?
TreVoR

They didn't build a business around rebuilding engines. TVR Power built the engines from day one and split from TVR before they went bust. They are a major TVR service, parts and tuning centre. The engine side is only a small part of the business these days.  

Early Speed Six failures were due to crap components because TVR ordered the cheapest parts available, against the advice of their in house engine builder TVR Power. Once Power split from TVR, they were free to order what they wanted and the Speed Six and Eight engines are now as reliable as anything else on the market as long as they are not abused.

Chassis problems are par for the course. It's something every owner has to accept they will need to deal with at some point unless it has already been done.

I cooked my engine on a very hot track day which necessitated the first rebuild. That's hardly a manufacturing defect. Neither are the three failed rebuilds - those are down to cock ups by persons outside of my control, including Power in this instance as I think they should have used flanged liners and not assumed the new liners recently fitted would be fine.

I've had two big issues. Chassis and engine. I've not had any niggly, annoying problems or breakdowns other than due to the failed rebuilds.
gooner

I'll accept your superior knowledge based on your ownership experience as well as being part of the TVROC but I still would never consider a TVR to be a simpler and cheaper car to maintain than a Maserati. That's not to suggest the Maserati isn't any easier to live with long term, I suspect they are on a par. I'm inclined to feel that the TVR experience is the more rewarding one.
TreVoR

Cerberas and T-cars possibly as they are a bespoke product.  The Griffith, Chimaera and earlier cars won't be nearly as expensive as a Maserati to run as they are only a kit of Ford, Rover and Vauxhall bits!  I could service my Chimaera myself without issue but it is so low to the ground, working on it is hard without a lift.
Big Blue

This is over budget but manual:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...amp;postcode=kt47ae&logcode=p

This is in budget and an auto:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...he&sort=default&logcode=p

I know they're out of age-range but what the hell...
Nice Guy Eddie

You should stretch to that GTS, you really should!

That's got classic status all over it and if someones spent the money already on suspension and bodywork, that really shouldn't cost a lot to keep straight and should appreciate nicely.
Racing Teatray

It's got Paedo leather...
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
This is over budget but manual:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...amp;postcode=kt47ae&logcode=p



Funny looking manual.
Roadsterstu

PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
This is over budget but manual:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...amp;postcode=kt47ae&logcode=p



Funny looking manual.


You do have to manually put it into "D".  does that count?
Alf McQueef

A lot of the original list will not be remotely low depreciation. Go for something exotic while you still have no kids! Lower depreciation plays higher running costs....
Racing Teatray

Just spotted this. Car is my idea of heaven spec-wise, but the advert is not super-enticing - not much mention of service history, it's got an epic git-plate and I would likely run a mile from any evidence of owner-servicing on anything this complex:

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C749679

But I sent an enquiry all the same.
Michael

My feeling on this is its owned by an enthusiast and it will be properly serviced. They gave a nod to that by the comment about it being maintained at a specialist.
I hope they reply and you go to see it. These things are only becoming more rare so it would be great to get one if you have the opportunity.
Racing Teatray

I hope you are right but where does it say that? I see the words "enthusiast-maintained" and think "home mechanic"...
TreVoR

You don't know what the guy does for a day job. He could be a proper engineer type.  Worth a phone call at least.
Stuntman

Advert reads pretty well, I think.  Suitably de-gitted, it would be lovely.  Good luck!
gooner

That does look nice and much tidier than any of the 850ci available on AT. The dark green really suits it too. I'm assuming it's one of later 850CSi's if it's a 5.6L engine. That makes it rare and collectable which should help retain its value.
Michael

Racing Teatray wrote:
I hope you are right but where does it say that? I see the words "enthusiast-maintained" and think "home mechanic"...


You're right it does say enthusiast maintained. I read that as specialist with 40 years experience. I look at the advert writer being a touch naive as to selling the car as well as he could. Could be a diamond or a dog but your right to investigate beyond that advert.
Racing Teatray

gooner wrote:
That does look nice and much tidier than any of the 850ci available on AT. The dark green really suits it too. I'm assuming it's one of later 850CSi's if it's a 5.6L engine. That makes it rare and collectable which should help retain its value.


All 850CSis have the S70 5.6 engine. It's the standard 850i where earlier cars were 5.0 and later cars were 5.4.
Big Blue

Looks fabulous and I'd expect a big file of paperwork with the invoices for that money. A million times better than a Maser coupe IMHO.
gonnabuildabuggy

Michael wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
I hope you are right but where does it say that? I see the words "enthusiast-maintained" and think "home mechanic"...


You're right it does say enthusiast maintained. I read that as specialist with 40 years experience. I look at the advert writer being a touch naive as to selling the car as well as he could. Could be a diamond or a dog but your right to investigate beyond that advert.


Indeed, many bargain lurk behind bad ad's.

Unfortunately many dogs hide behind good ad's too.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained and all that.
Giant

Big Blue wrote:
Looks fabulous. A million times better than a Maser coupe IMHO.


+1
The 8series is a perfectly styled car.

I know it's 22 years old, but surely the value of this is only going one way?
PG

That is gorgeous. Way better then the Masers. My engineer friend maintains his 8 series - he says it all the same period BMW 7 series stuff underneath. So home  expert maintained (if he has all the invoices to back that up) may not be a show stopper.

Paintwork and interior on that one looks immaculate and the git plate can be replaced with something more to you style.

Go see it!
cbeaks1

Love the 850 (I may be misunderstanding the ad but I do t think it has that awful plate).

I'm not at all convinced by the Maser. The interior in particular just doesn't look right for a car that was once so expensive. Maybe it holds up better close up.
Alf McQueef

It's all taste then clearly! Personally I can't stand the 8 series, BMW have zero cachet for me at that end of the market, it's just an 80s porn car. And not that quick or fun to drive either. Give me a Masserover that any day. I prefer just the Masser clock to the whole of the BMW...
Roadsterstu

Car lovely, plate cringe worthy.
Tim

I was at an Italian car show a couple of weeks ago and saw a Maser 4200GT with a manual gearbox.
Don't think it was for sale though.

Also, I think Racing is about 20 years too young to be considering ownership based on the profile of those there.
DetmoldDick

Something way below your 20k budget limit, so 14k for tip seals etc.
A limited edition that surely will appreciate in value soon.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...&price-to=22500&logcode=p

This is the lowest mileage example, but there are others available if white is not your bag.
DetmoldDick

I appreciate it may not meet your "luxury" criteria.
Racing Teatray

Roadsterstu wrote:
Car lovely, plate cringe worthy.


Seems moot as the owner seemed rather disinterested in selling it to me. I sent a query (one day after the ad went up) and got a reply back along the lines that he'd already had several enquiries and would deal with them in order, and would answer my query in detail only if the earlier enquiries came to nothing. Haven't heard anything further since.
Racing Teatray

I like the RX-8 but I don't want one.

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