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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:27 pm    Post subject: One for Big Blue and Racing  Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumbs up from me, too.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice colour. The current D3 engine is a monster but still a diesel.

I got back in mine after the Christmas break and am still besotted with it. At this time of year it wags its tail at all kinds of speeds if judicious use of the loud pedal is not employed. I had the triplets in the car at the weekend and it demonstrated this tract and T1 simply said "oooh, hello...".
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That does look nice, especially inside (ugly steering wheel aside) but 63k for a 3 series diesel is a quite a stretch.  I'd be interested in trying one sometime.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the exterior colour, the bodyshell and the fact it's an Alpina.

Otherwise it's a diseasel with the ugly steering wheel and beige seats.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather like that. But, dear God, 63k?!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roadsterstu wrote:
Rather like that. But, dear God, 63k?!


+1

Can't work out if it's lovely or a joke.

The steering wheel is offensive, irrationally so.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is 60k a lot for a car like this these days? It's fully loaded, massively powerful and exclusive. For the same money you can get a Range Rover Sport in middle of the road trim which seems about right.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I paid 39k for my 440i, then yes I think it is a lot.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I flagged it for the colour - no idea on the price etc.

I should add I paid 21k for a fully loaded St3 Focus, so I think 40k is a lot (I don't really, you can pay well over 40k for a Kia Sorrento)

I think in terms of car prices we have never had it so good. I think a Focus 1.6 Zetec was 13500 ish in 1999 with the transaction price not that much lower. Barely more than that today.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must say as a used proposition Alpinas are far better than new but then so are most other cars. The 34k I paid for a 5-year-old car would have got me into a brand new-lots-of-other-cars but I made the choice.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is it about that steering wheel exactly? I can see that there is something about it but I can't quite put my finger on it. Single colour? Too much black?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roadsterstu wrote:
What is it about that steering wheel exactly? I can see that there is something about it but I can't quite put my finger on it. Single colour? Too much black?


It's too 'chunky' compared to the newer BMW one
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What is it about that steering wheel exactly?


Looks OK to me, not enough to put me off buying if I were in the market for that car.

BTW, have Citroen totally abandoned the single-spoke stering wheel that they used to favour?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still can't get away with those pinstripes and not sure about the wheels either. Alpina must have missed the memo from BMW about their latest steering wheels as that one looks crap.

Other than that...........

Nope, 63k is ridiculous money.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A big problem for me would be the loss of the flappy paddles which are replaced by buttons.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the steering wheel airbag cover is huge/ugly, it was bad enough on a 2009 7 Series.   The gear change buttons feel cheap and flimsy as Well. At least they replace the horrible leather BMW put on that steering wheel.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnC wrote:
A big problem for me would be the loss of the flappy paddles which are replaced by buttons.


I've never understood the need for manual changes on a full auto. It's not a DCT so blipping gears just slushes between ratios.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too big, too fat, too plain.

Doesn't help that the new skinny 3 spoke BMW steering wheels are very nice. Some one realised how nice the old Z8 one was and have copied it.

Google i3 seeing wheel though, they have put it on upside down!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Blue wrote:
JohnC wrote:
A big problem for me would be the loss of the flappy paddles which are replaced by buttons.


I've never understood the need for manual changes on a full auto. It's not a DCT so blipping gears just slushes between ratios.


Engine braking.   There's very little in mine in comfort mode.  If Sport mode wasn't quite so aggressive I probably wouldn't need to as it uses the sat nav so is usually in exactly the right gear as it knows what's coming up.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
JohnC wrote:
A big problem for me would be the loss of the flappy paddles which are replaced by buttons.


I've never understood the need for manual changes on a full auto. It's not a DCT so blipping gears just slushes between ratios.


Engine braking. There's very little in mine in comfort mode. If Sport mode wasn't quite so aggressive I probably wouldn't need to as it uses the sat nav so is usually in exactly the right gear as it knows what's coming up.


This is an interesting one. I was wondering if you need the sat nav to actually be engaged (ie with a route programmed) for the gearbox to function in that way.

I query it because I tackled three Alpine passes in the 440i in the past week (the Foscagno, the Bernina and the Julier) and whilst I was impressed how the car kept to appropriately low gears in Sport whilst descending the Foscagno and the Bernina, with the Julier it didn't appear to do it, so I ended up sticking it in manual mode and doing my own changing via the paddles (not really a chore after all...).

And looking back, the only difference between them is that I had a route programmed for the Foscagno and the Bernina which I had never driven before, but hadn't bothered whilst going over the Julier as I know perfectly well how to get to Zurich via that pass.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:


BTW, have Citroen totally abandoned the single-spoke stering wheel that they used to favour?


Yes, I think the last car to have one fitted was the BX!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:


BTW, have Citroen totally abandoned the single-spoke stering wheel that they used to favour?


Yes, I think the last car to have one fitted was the BX!


I don't think Citroen will be happy until the steering wheel is gone.
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Big Blue wrote:
JohnC wrote:
A big problem for me would be the loss of the flappy paddles which are replaced by buttons.


I've never understood the need for manual changes on a full auto. It's not a DCT so blipping gears just slushes between ratios.


I use the paddles all the time but mostly for overtaking so that I can drop it down a few gears and be ready to blast past when the space appears. Like Martin, I find the gearbox holds on to low gears for too long in Sport and doesn't really allow smooth progress unless you are "on it" - I use the Sport button if I have a lot of overtaking to do and I have to pick off a few cars at a time or if I tackle a nice twisty section without traffic. When in Sport I would say I use the paddles for less than half the time. When in the Comfort setting I use the paddles much more to allow swift progress when required and then go back into cruise mode easily.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilD wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:


BTW, have Citroen totally abandoned the single-spoke stering wheel that they used to favour?


Yes, I think the last car to have one fitted was the BX!


I don't think Citroen will be happy until the steering wheel is gone.


Sometimes it can feel like they have removed it, our old Picasso was like that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never touched the buttons in the B10 or this one. I use the Sport setting on occasion but where I live that's fairly pointless.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's because the buttons are not nice in my experience.

It's also because the box shifts well in D. In the M5, I used the paddles all the time as the SMG was so hateful when left to its own devices.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love that, do they do a petrol?

Don't get the love for the Msport steering wheel, Mrs Ed has it in her 3 Series and it a bloody horrid thing. Looks nice but its far too thick and squidgy to get any feel for what the tyres are doing and theres also a great lump of cheap plastic going from the boss to the bottom of the wheel.
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Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Love that, do they do a petrol?

Don't get the love for the Msport steering wheel, Mrs Ed has it in her 3 Series and it a bloody horrid thing. Looks nice but its far too thick and squidgy to get any feel for what the tyres are doing and theres also a great lump of cheap plastic going from the boss to the bottom of the wheel.


That's the thing I love about it - the thickness means you can comfortably hold it for long periods.
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I have the navigation on all the time, to get the benefit of RTTI, so I'm not 100% sure, but I do think you need a route set to get the full benefit from the gearbox voodoo.

The steering wheel isn't too thick, not if you have proper man sized hands!
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Martin wrote:
I have the navigation on all the time, to get the benefit of RTTI, so I'm not 100% sure, but I do think you need a route set to get the full benefit from the gearbox voodoo.

The steering wheel isn't too thick, not if you have proper man sized hands!


Are you suggesting he has Trump-sized hands?
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PhilD wrote:
Google i3 seeing wheel though, they have put it on upside down!


+1. Looks awful and nearly ruins the whole interior. What were they thinking when they signed that steering wheel off!

Re the OP. I don't mind the wheel, but I had not realised that Alpina remove the paddles. Why? Although didn't Porsche used to have buttons until fairly recently as their then CEO hated paddles?
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Bob Sacamano wrote:
Martin wrote:
I have the navigation on all the time, to get the benefit of RTTI, so I'm not 100% sure, but I do think you need a route set to get the full benefit from the gearbox voodoo.

The steering wheel isn't too thick, not if you have proper man sized hands!


Are you suggesting he has Trump-sized hands?


Ha Ha, you haven't met me have you. More Jeremy Beadle if you don't mind.

Yes its way too thick but its the fact you can squeeze it that bothers me.
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Andy C wrote:
It's too 'chunky' compared to the newer BMW one


That's the same at the one in my 3 year old 3 Series, why are Alpina using something that looks at least 15 years old?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I infinitely prefer the steering wheel in my 440i (which looks like the one in the above post) to the one I had in the M135i (which looked like the Alpina effort).
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Tim wrote:
That's the same at the one in my 3 year old 3 Series, why are Alpina using something that looks at least 15 years old?


The Alpina is traditionally based on the SE not M-Sport trim and that's an SE trim steering wheel. When I followed the Alpina forum I did read about owners who has swapped their wheels over, it's a plug and play set up so moving from buttons to paddles is a simple switch.


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