The Motor Forum talking cars since 2006    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Join! (free) >   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  No more V8's?          The Motor Forum Forum Index -> New Cars and Concepts View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4103 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:23 am    Post subject: No more V8's? Not if you are as daft as Alfa. http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2...in-the-works-for-alfa-romeo-16992 Make mine a Giulia GTA V8 please. Providing it's true of course.... _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:41 am    Post subject: Small V8? Yes please! Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4103 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:06 pm    Post subject: Always liked the idea of small V8's - never driven one so not based on anything. Just WANT one. Think Yamaha had a real tiddler concept once, 1.6 or 1.8 I think. Hang on, been in a Montreal which is only a 2.6, maybe that's where I got infected. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top Blarno Motorhead My Car: A homo's devil machine with Git Plate. Franc soon to be departed. Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 8450 Location: The corporate whore juggernaut Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Surely a small V8 won't be much, if any, more powerful than a similar sized engine with less cylinders? It'll just be smoother and make a better noise. Knowing the Italians, it'll be a high-revving screamer with a flat plane crank and won't sound like a V8 at all. Shame. _________________ Arms held out, in the Jesus Christ Pose. Back to top JohnC Petrolhead My Car: 335D Coupe Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 1527 Location: Scotland Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:44 pm    Post subject: Blarno wrote: Surely a small V8 won't be much, if any, more powerful than a similar sized engine with less cylinders? It'll just be smoother and make a better noise. Knowing the Italians, it'll be a high-revving screamer with a flat plane crank and won't sound like a V8 at all. Shame. That's exactly correct and due to the number of small cylinders it is unlikely to possess much in the way of low down torque - I suppose that's where the turbos come in. _________________ Every man is the architect of his own future. Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4103 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:47 pm    Post subject: No flat plane cranks please. I'll put up with the lack of Torque (sans turbo) for the noise alone. I did used to have a Type R, so know what it's like to have the pulling power of a spotty nerd below 6500rpm. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject: Gurney wrote: No flat plane cranks please. I'll put up with the lack of Torque (sans turbo) for the noise alone. +1. It'll be lovely. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:46 pm    Post subject: Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: Gurney wrote: No flat plane cranks please. I'll put up with the lack of Torque (sans turbo) for the noise alone. +1. It'll be lovely. +2. In fact I'll have 2, just make one of them a turbo. Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4103 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:15 pm    Post subject: TimR wrote: Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: Gurney wrote: No flat plane cranks please. I'll put up with the lack of Torque (sans turbo) for the noise alone. +1. It'll be lovely. +2. In fact I'll have 2, just make one of them a turbo. Now that's just being greedy. But I like your thinking... _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top the other ct Motoring On My Car: E34 525i sport Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 580 Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: Probably deserves a separate topic but looks like the industry is planning to use turbos more an more. No doubt at the expense of engines like that proposed by Alfa. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8266975.stm _________________ "I’m not gonna wear a ladies’ wetsuit I’m a man! ...Get me a small man’s wetsuit, please." Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: I'm not sure that's really news. There's been a rash of 1.4 turbos which seem to be replacing 2.0NAs. Back to top Blarno Motorhead My Car: A homo's devil machine with Git Plate. Franc soon to be departed. Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 8450 Location: The corporate whore juggernaut Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: I have no problem with turbocharged engines. In fact, I quite like them. I love the shove. _________________ Arms held out, in the Jesus Christ Pose. Back to top maz Running In My Car: Honda Accord Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Posts: 473 Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:29 pm    Post subject: I wonder if Fiat would let Ferrari use Multiair technology to one of their engines and what it would be like ? Back to top ALF Supercharged My Car: A4 Avant 2.0T S-Line Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 5582 Location: Winchester Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: A small-capacity V8 would be lovely! On another matter Gurney, have you seen any power/torque/mpg/CO2 figures for the new 1.8 turbo engine as used in the 159? It's not listed on alfa's website yet... PS - obviously I'm talking petrol. This is me, after all... Back to top Martin Supercharged My Car: BMW 520d M Sport & MINI Clubman Cooper S Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5351 Location: Swindon Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:12 pm    Post subject: ALF wrote: A small-capacity V8 would be lovely! On another matter Gurney, have you seen any power/torque/mpg/CO2 figures for the new 1.8 turbo engine as used in the 159? It's not listed on alfa's website yet... PS - obviously I'm talking petrol. This is me, after all... Never say never, ALF! You have a 4 pot turbo as your daily drive now, it could be the start of a slippery slope to derv land   _________________ Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4103 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Martin wrote: ALF wrote: A small-capacity V8 would be lovely! On another matter Gurney, have you seen any power/torque/mpg/CO2 figures for the new 1.8 turbo engine as used in the 159? It's not listed on alfa's website yet... PS - obviously I'm talking petrol. This is me, after all... Never say never, ALF! You have a 4 pot turbo as your daily drive now, it could be the start of a slippery slope to derv land   Yep, getting good reviews. Surprised they haven't MultiAire'd it from the off but suppose they can only do so much. New diesels too with a nice 170bhp jobbie   still can't quite stomach the thought of Derv power. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top Frank Bullitt Turbocharged My Car: Audi A2 View My Motor: . Joined: 29 Feb 2008 Posts: 2615 Location: The edge of civilisation Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:39 pm    Post subject: ALF wrote: A small-capacity V8 would be lovely! On another matter Gurney, have you seen any power/torque/mpg/CO2 figures for the new 1.8 turbo engine as used in the 159? It's not listed on alfa's website yet... PS - obviously I'm talking petrol. This is me, after all... 197bhp @ 5000rpm 236lb/ft @ 2000rpm (sounds like a diesel...) 189g/km 147mph 0-60 7.7s 34.9mpg combined _________________ Shame your mind don't shine like your possessions Back to top Guitar Zero Turbocharged My Car: Monkey spunk moped Joined: 30 Dec 2006 Posts: 3323 Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:15 pm    Post subject: Gets thumped up the jubs by the 2.4jtd _________________ Previous convictions : 2006 Focus ST 2.5 2001 BMW 520i 2002 Focus 2.0 zetec 1999 Fiat Punto Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:20 am    Post subject: A mate has just ordered a 159 1750TBi to replace his 147 1.6Ti. He was specifically waiting for this engine to try out before getting a 159. He reckons ts pretty fantastic. Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4103 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:50 am    Post subject: TimR wrote: A mate has just ordered a 159 1750TBi to replace his 147 1.6Ti. He was specifically waiting for this engine to try out before getting a 159. He reckons ts pretty fantastic. Don't blame him I would have done the same. Rumours abound of an absurdly clean and economical V6 diesel from Alfa (or rather FPT) but so far nothing official to replace the 2.4JTD, which as Peet points out still gives the new TBi a stuffing. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:42 pm    Post subject: Isn't the 2.4 JTD a bit thirstier than everyone expects and still prone to the odd bout of breaking down? Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4103 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject: TimR wrote: Isn't the 2.4 JTD a bit thirstier than everyone expects and still prone to the odd bout of breaking down? The latest version seems to be reliable by all accounts - but is still a tad thirsty for a diseasil. They sound ok though, I had a drive in an early Brera 2.4 (not the latest 2.4 motor) found it a bit of an all or nothing jobbie, not for me. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4103 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:03 am    Post subject: I see Alfa have denied they are developing a V8. 'We will not make anything bigger than a V6' Shame, but can't say as I am surprised. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top maz Running In My Car: Honda Accord Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Posts: 473 Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:22 am    Post subject: you see, Alfa are not that daft Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:35 am    Post subject: They said no FWD or 4WD Alfa will have a V8: didn't say anything about RWD ones ... Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4103 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: They said no FWD or 4WD Alfa will have a V8: didn't say anything about RWD ones ... Cunning. 166 RWD V8 still on the cards then. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:49 am    Post subject: Gurney wrote: 166 RWD V8 still on the cards then. Hope so! Back to top ALF Supercharged My Car: A4 Avant 2.0T S-Line Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 5582 Location: Winchester Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:16 am    Post subject: Guitar Zero wrote: Gets thumped up the jubs by the 2.4jtd I know they've mildly tweaked it since but the first 159 2.4jtd's were barely quicker on a long acceleration run than the 1.9jtd or 2.2 petrol. Having driven each of those quite a bit, neither is remotely quick enough to be genuinely fun in my book, though (odd ECU mapping in traffic aside) the 2.2 is an enjoyable engine. Good but not stellar figures for the new motor then. CO2 is about the same and mpg a couple down on my 4 year old Audi, which is the same size/class of car. I guess the 159's porkiness still let's it down even in facelifted trim... Back to top maz Running In My Car: Honda Accord Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Posts: 473 Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:10 pm    Post subject: Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: Gurney wrote: 166 RWD V8 still on the cards then. Hope so!   more likely a Chrysler V6 engine with Multiair Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:34 pm    Post subject: ALF wrote: Guitar Zero wrote: Gets thumped up the jubs by the 2.4jtd I know they've mildly tweaked it since but the first 159 2.4jtd's were barely quicker on a long acceleration run than the 1.9jtd or 2.2 petrol. Having driven each of those quite a bit, neither is remotely quick enough to be genuinely fun in my book, though (odd ECU mapping in traffic aside) the 2.2 is an enjoyable engine. Good but not stellar figures for the new motor then. CO2 is about the same and mpg a couple down on my 4 year old Audi, which is the same size/class of car. I guess the 159's porkiness still let's it down even in facelifted trim... Isn't the 2.2 getting canned now anyway? My mate said he wasn't impressed with it and the 1750TBi engine hammers it for performance and economy. Back to top Martin Supercharged My Car: BMW 520d M Sport & MINI Clubman Cooper S Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5351 Location: Swindon Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:38 pm    Post subject: TimR wrote: ALF wrote: Guitar Zero wrote: Gets thumped up the jubs by the 2.4jtd I know they've mildly tweaked it since but the first 159 2.4jtd's were barely quicker on a long acceleration run than the 1.9jtd or 2.2 petrol. Having driven each of those quite a bit, neither is remotely quick enough to be genuinely fun in my book, though (odd ECU mapping in traffic aside) the 2.2 is an enjoyable engine. Good but not stellar figures for the new motor then. CO2 is about the same and mpg a couple down on my 4 year old Audi, which is the same size/class of car. I guess the 159's porkiness still let's it down even in facelifted trim... Isn't the 2.2 getting canned now anyway? My mate said he wasn't impressed with it and the 1750TBi engine hammers it for performance and economy. Obviously I have no idea what it's like but the stats are hardly impressive unless you're comparing it to the 2.2 of course, but that was awful. 189 carbons in the saloon and 194 in the estate.  That compares to 175 in a 330i saloon and 177 in the estate.  The MPG is slightly better, but so it should be!  The latest A4 2.0T puts out 149 co2 and the 3.2 Auto is only at 194. I know co2 and mpg isn't the particularly important to most people, but surely you have to be able to compete and without a decent set of figures, sales aren't going to pick up to anywhere near 156 levels. _________________ Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         The Motor Forum Forum Index -> New Cars and Concepts All times are GMT + 1 Hour Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum The Motor----------------Welcome to the MotorGeneralOn the RoadNew Cars and ConceptsYour CarsTest DrivenClassic CarsForum DiaryClassic Cars: Potted History Guides Motor World----------------In the MagsClassified InformationRacing PostsShow TimeBikesTrack DaysWay Back When Pit Stop----------------GamesPhotographyThe LoungeMummy and Daddy CornerAuto-JournalsTop Five or PollThe Best of the Motor  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Card File  Gallery  Forum Archive Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group