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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: New speakers  Reply with quote

My preferred (but now old) hifi speakers are a pair of wharfedales that are just too large for the lounge since I got the new TV, so I have been using a 20 year old pair of Mission bookshelf jobbies on proper stands - I think they were 760i's from memory (I just do 2 speakers, not surround, music sound is more important to me than surround).

Anyway, I had not been overly impressed with the Missions in this installation but left them be - I don't often just listen to music these days. However I noticed when dusting them that one of the cones was a bit indented, so used this as an excuse for a new pair of similar size.

Some Tannoys at twice the price seriously appealed but there was no room for anything even a tad bigger, so I went for Dali Zensor 1's, they arrived today. Of course they are not yet run in but when Mrs ALF popped out earlier I had a good listen and even brand new from the box I love the sound, really rich and detailed and a lot bassier (without straying into artificial subwoofer territory) than before. I think I'll be listening to music a bit more than of late...

They'll get some more running in later as Mrs ALF and I will be watching "Inception" after a curry, it will be quiet as Lu is upstairs (hence surround being pointless for us, even if I did want it).

On that note, 8 years ago tonight, it was "conception" after a curry, but that's another story! I doubt there will be a repeat tonight but who knows  
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fell in love with a system at Sound Organisation in York on Saturday.

The £6000 required to purchase means that it is still there - but, after a few Beers and some Man Maths, I was thinking about nipping back to the shop. I'm back in York in a couple of weeks...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A truly amazing hifi would be very high up on the "cost no object" list...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If money was no object I'd try to get a pair of B&W Nautilus for their style alone.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelfth is the hifi man on here.

A really good pair of speakers makes music a pleasure. I have some 10 year old Eltax floor standers and although not expensive, they sound wonderful.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought my Clestions in 1988 and they still sound good. if I were to venture into a hifi shop I would spend money that I don't have, so I keep away.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When we lived in Southampton I had no space for my speakers, so bought a reasonably high-end headphone-based system. It's superb, but still can't match the scale of a good amp and speakers.

Now we've moved I've unearthed my old Harman Kardon amp and B&W floorstanders. They're twenty years old and although still in good working order, aren't getting the best from my £600, 2009-vintage CD player (a NAD C565BEE).

So I've been idly looking at upgrading. That way, ruin lies...  
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got some very old Mission bookcase speakers on metal stands - bought in  the 1990's. They have always really impressed me with their sound quality. We're looking to upgrade our TV this year, so I ought to think about linking the hi-fi into the TV sound. But they are currently at opposite ends of the room....
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll be surprised how much better television programmes will sound if you do...

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As many of you observe, hifi doesn't tend to wear out.  There is only one sensible way to buy an expensive system, and that is to upgrade in part over a few years.  It doesn't grab the imagination as much as an instant splurge on an entirely new system, but it does allow you buy much better individual items over a few years.  My suggestions, for most people, would be:

1) Speakers first.  It's probably not the way of getting the biggest inital gain, but there's a big visual buzz.

2) Amplifier. Start to hear what your speakers can really do

3) Source, which is probably CD for most of us.  If you've gone over to  the devil, you need a music streamer sourcing files from PC, not an MP3 player playing compressed files.  The increased subtlety and timbre that makes singers sound 'real' is probably only going to shine through with good gear.  Buy the source first and you might feel short-changed.

4) and 5) Replace cabling, rack etc, and add a power amplifier if you have biwireable speakers.

I'm sure that there are cases for doing things differently, but to buy in stages is the only way for most people to get something really good.  Mine's taken the best part of a decade to get to where it is now, although I do want the 65" version of the telly I have at present.  The rest wll serve until it dies, or a better way of doing things comes along!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those speakers are beautiful - Monitor Audio? And is that Arcam FMJ kit on the stand?

I went into a hi-fi shop a couple of months ago to test the water; according to the owner - happy to chat despite the fact that I was clearly a casual browser - media streamers offer potentially far better sound quality than CD because there are fewer read errors from a hard drive. He said that 90% of their sales were streamer-based now.

Which is all well and good, but I was astonished to discover how fiddly it actually is to set up a streamer system - faffing about with networks and NAS drives and suchlike. As far as I can see only Naim makes what I would call a sensible streaming solution, with its own CD drive, one-touch ripping and hard drive. For a cool £5k.

So I think I'll be sticking to CD for the time being...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct on both counts, I'm impressed.

I'm not sure I buy the read error argument.  The appeal in streaming for me (in the future, when prices and tech have become more sensible) is to be able to use files with better quality than CD.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone wants them, I have a boxed pair of Wharfedale 505.2 speakers (old, but as 12th says, age does not make things sound crap!), a 4-layer Target hifi stand (black), and the pair of 760i speakers I have just replaced (one slightly dented cone, but still much better front speakers than in most surround sound systems and great with a basic separate amp for PC games and such) plus a basic unbranded pair of speaker stands that any regulars on here can have for nothing if they want - they just have to pick them up.

I have a pile of bike bits I need to Ebay without starting on this lot, so can't be arsed!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eff One wrote:
Those speakers are beautiful - Monitor Audio? And is that Arcam FMJ kit on the stand?

I went into a hi-fi shop a couple of months ago to test the water; according to the owner - happy to chat despite the fact that I was clearly a casual browser - media streamers offer potentially far better sound quality than CD because there are fewer read errors from a hard drive. He said that 90% of their sales were streamer-based now.

Which is all well and good, but I was astonished to discover how fiddly it actually is to set up a streamer system - faffing about with networks and NAS drives and suchlike. As far as I can see only Naim makes what I would call a sensible streaming solution, with its own CD drive, one-touch ripping and hard drive. For a cool £5k.

So I think I'll be sticking to CD for the time being...


It was the Naim that I was listening to on Saturday. Linn also have a system.

Twelfth, your setup is very impressive. Very nice!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ I've heard it.  Epic.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put all my old kit on freecycle and it was gone within a day. I've gone from Mission floorstanders to a sub/sat system. It sounds superb with movies, but I'm unsure when it comes to music, although, to be honest, the hifi is hardly used for music these days, I mostly use portable formats.


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