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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 3:11 pm    Post subject: Kvyat Verstappen swap  Reply with quote

Well, sooner than expected. So Kvyat goes from podium scorer to persona non grata in one race. Nice.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw mention of that (somewhere) earlier. Without knowing the details, it seems a particularly shitty trick even for F1.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still has an F1 seat though, so could be worse!
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilD wrote:
Still has an F1 seat though, so could be worse!


My thoughts exactly.

Effectively a demotion, but he still has a very fast weapon to take out Vettel with...
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boxer6 wrote:
Saw mention of that (somewhere) earlier. Without knowing the details, it seems a particularly shitty trick even for F1.


There is a massive helmet; in more ways than one, at Red Bull, most likely his doing.

Shame as he is a good driver, has only really made one mistake and has got the one and only podium so far for Red Bull.

Verstappen is good, however I think the needs to tone it down a bit and occasionally his immaturity really shows, this could make him, however it could also break him.

Maybe there is more to it, have other teams been sniffing around Verstappen; Ferrari?
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the move is more about keeping Verstappen than it is about punishing Kvyat. If the new engine upgrades put Red Bull back near the front, Verstappen is much more likely to stay than to accept an offer from another team. However a Ferrari offer might be too much to turn down.

Kvyat must feel really pissed off and probably attributes a good bit of the blame to Vettel and his outburst and lift off mid track collision. Maybe his job for the rest of the season will be hamper Vettel and let a Red Bull make it ahead of Ferrari.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspected that Kvyat’s career at Red Bull Racing would come to an end after Abu Dhabi, but not this soon. It is harsh in isolation, until one realizes Red Bull has a history of doing this. Both Scott Speed and Bourdais were ditched during the 2007 and 2009 seasons respectively. I suppose I can see the logic of this. It became abundantly clear that Kvyat couldn’t live with Ricciardo for raw pace in qualifying, and he couldn’t compensate for his qualifying deficit during a typical Grand Prix. And then you throw in his qualifying crash at Suzuka, his crash in Austin, and last weekend, he became a tad erratic too often.

In the Red Bull family in recent years, you’re either going forward and impressing everyone or relatively struggling and soon getting sacked. Webber and Coulthard were the exceptions, but they hired them to gain experience because Red Bull used to be a very inexperienced team itself.

It is unfortunate that Jean Eric Vergne never got the opportunity to drive for Red Bull Racing. He was a fantastically quick at Toro Rosso, matched Ricciardo on many occasions in 2013, but missed out and got booted out of F1 at the end of 2014. IMO he was better than Kvyat. A bit like Sainz, he was robbed of great results due to unreliability.

Whatever happens, Sainz must outperform Kvyat. After last season Verstappen it was always going to be the favoured son, and in case a situation arose like this, Verstappen would get the promotion to the main team. Sainz must outperform Kvyat to prove to Red Bull he’s worth promoting to the main team, and to prove to other teams he’s worth investing in.

Verstappen v Ricciardo will be interesting, and Red Bull’s driver line-up for next year. Something tells me that Ferrari’s line-up may influence this. Does Raikkonen want to continue next year; does Ferrari want to retain him? If not, Ricciardo or Verstappen must be on their radar. In turn this would allow Sainz to move to Red Bull Racing…
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humphrey The Pug wrote:

Verstappen is good, however I think the needs to tone it down a bit and occasionally his immaturity really shows, this could make him, however it could also break him.

Looks like it may have made him. Some of his post-race remarks show amazing maturity for someone who's only in his second season of F1 racing, and who is still a teenager
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Formula 1 really has reached a new low. We've now got kids coming straight off a Playstation and winning a F1 race. They might as well call off the pretense and sit all the drivers in front of 50" screens playing games of Mario Kart to decide the F1 champion.

Woy is naming his England squad for the Euros at 11am today, expect it to see filled with spotty youths from the projects who excel at FIFA.

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