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DradusContact Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:35 pm Post subject: Itchy V5 |
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Been thinking about getting shut of mine. Can't really think of a particular reason, still runs well enough, just getting bored, fancy a change etc.
Been thinking Cooper S, my budget would stretch to an early one, before they changed the supercharger to a turbocharger. (or other way round)
Would appreciate input. _________________
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Mark Petrolhead
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Itchy V5 |
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| DradusContact wrote: | Been thinking about getting shut of mine. Can't really think of a particular reason, still runs well enough, just getting bored, fancy a change etc.
Been thinking Cooper S, my budget would stretch to an early one, before they changed the supercharger to a turbocharger. (or other way round)
Would appreciate input. |
Great. But thirsty.
Do it. |
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"him" Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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The Mk1 Cooper S was supercharged.
'Turbonutter' has one I believe? try and get one with an LSD if you can (though I am note sure how rare they are?) _________________ Remember - A gym without chalk is a heath spa... |
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Jasper Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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What! apter the dogging you gave me for selling my Puma.
A year ago next month FYI. _________________
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DradusContact Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Jasper wrote: | What! apter the dogging you gave me for selling my Puma.
A year ago next month FYI. |
I know i know..... just bored, you know? Plus, rust is accelerating, do i really want to sink that much money into a 10 year old car. _________________
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Roadsterstu Petrolhead
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Nah, it'll break down before you even get it ...
(sorry ... ) |
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"him" Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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RWD is like so last century, even BMW have finally woken up to the fact...  _________________ Remember - A gym without chalk is a heath spa... |
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gonnabuildabuggy Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| DradusContact wrote: | | Jasper wrote: | What! apter the dogging you gave me for selling my Puma.
A year ago next month FYI. |
I know i know..... just bored, you know? Plus, rust is accelerating, do i really want to sink that much money into a 10 year old car. |
What do you need to sink into it? Just run it. I suspect that it's hardly going to rust away in front of your eyes like a '70s Fiat. _________________ Aint no substitute for cubic inches.
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"him" Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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He just wants a car that is featured in Forza3...  _________________ Remember - A gym without chalk is a heath spa... |
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DradusContact Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| gonnabuildabuggy wrote: | | What do you need to sink into it? Just run it. I suspect that it's hardly going to rust away in front of your eyes like a '70s Fiat. |
Well the rust is the main thing. Its eating into both arches, the drivers side is terrible. Stuttering when cold still isnt sorted but i think i will be able to fix this next time i get paid. It's not like its a money pit but ive had it nearly 4 years, no logical reason to sell it just fancy a change.
Not decided anything just throwing ideas around. _________________
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Blarno Motorhead
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Got 3k?
Blue Frog is yours.... _________________ Arms held out, in the Jesus Christ Pose. |
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Bob Sacramento Petrolhead
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Scrap it and get £2k off a nice Toyota Aygo. _________________ Keep Calm & Carry On. |
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Guitar Zero Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Something
With
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Than
Four
Cylinders
That's
Longer
Than
Fifteen
Foot _________________ Previous convictions :
2006 Focus ST 2.5
2001 BMW 520i
2002 Focus 2.0 zetec
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Frank Bullitt Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Guitar Zero wrote: | Something
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Nissan Maxima 'QX' it is then
I suspect many Cooper S's have either been a) abused to death or b) driven by tarts who do 23mph maximum and the engine has never loosened up _________________ Shame your mind don't shine like your possessions |
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Blarno Motorhead
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Guitar Zero wrote: | Something
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That'll be the XR4x4 I've been eyeing up, then... _________________ Arms held out, in the Jesus Christ Pose. |
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TimR Supercharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Frank Bullitt wrote: |
I suspect many Cooper S's have either been a) abused to death or b) driven by tarts who do 23mph maximum and the engine has never loosened up |
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gonnabuildabuggy Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| DradusContact wrote: | | gonnabuildabuggy wrote: | | What do you need to sink into it? Just run it. I suspect that it's hardly going to rust away in front of your eyes like a '70s Fiat. |
Well the rust is the main thing. Its eating into both arches, the drivers side is terrible. Stuttering when cold still isnt sorted but i think i will be able to fix this next time i get paid. It's not like its a money pit but ive had it nearly 4 years, no logical reason to sell it just fancy a change.
Not decided anything just throwing ideas around. |
How bad? Bubbling under the paint or real holes? Mine has just started bubbling so I figure another year or so and it might be time to get it done.
I too get the itch but I've a burning desire to see 200K miles on the clock just to really get my monies worth.
and to answer your question, get a 330CI. _________________ Aint no substitute for cubic inches. |
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DaveGibson Supercharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| Rusting away at 10 years old? My neighbour's 1989 Rover 214 had barely any rust when he replaced it, at 18 years of age with almost 200K on the clock, two years ago. |
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Roadsterstu Petrolhead
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: | Nah, it'll break down before you even get it ...
(sorry ... ) |
A little harsh! It's not broken down, it is just "ongoing maintenance prior to delivery". |
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gonnabuildabuggy Turbocharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:20 am Post subject: |
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mine literally (at 12 yrs) has a few bubbles on the back of the rear arches - a well known E36 moisture trap.
It's only visible to me really at the moment but I plan to sort it next year at some point. _________________ Aint no substitute for cubic inches. |
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| Roadsterstu wrote: |
It's not broken down, it is just "ongoing maintenance prior to delivery". |
Quite so. My bad.
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DradusContact Turbocharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Rust is on rear arch. Its fixable but would need cutting out and doing properly. I did it last winter with some hammerite stuff but that didnt really help, just slowed it down a bit. Its certainly not rusting away but its there, and it bothers me. _________________
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DradusContact Turbocharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| Blarno wrote: | Got 3k?
Blue Frog is yours.... |
Renault and Peugeot are two brands i would never touch. My opinion of them is well and truly stuck and nothing will change it. _________________
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gonnabuildabuggy Turbocharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| DradusContact wrote: | | Rust is on rear arch. Its fixable but would need cutting out and doing properly. I did it last winter with some hammerite stuff but that didnt really help, just slowed it down a bit. Its certainly not rusting away but its there, and it bothers me. |
When you say you did it with hammerite, did you take it down to bare metal?
The rust killers that don't require that will only slow it, not stop it. I'd only consider cutting it out if heavily perforated or you plan to keep the car for ever. Otherwise cut back to bare metal, prime it well, fill it and localised spray over.
Worked for me 20 yrs ago anyway! Back when cars really rusted - my 8 yr old Chevette was riddled with the stuff when I bought it. _________________ Aint no substitute for cubic inches. |
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"him" Turbocharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| DradusContact wrote: | | Renault and Peugeot are two brands i would never touch. My opinion of them is well and truly stuck and nothing will change it. |
...and yet for cheap 'hot hatchery' they are far and away the best.
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DradusContact Turbocharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| "him" wrote: | | DradusContact wrote: | | Renault and Peugeot are two brands i would never touch. My opinion of them is well and truly stuck and nothing will change it. |
...and yet for cheap 'hot hatchery' they are far and away the best.
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I don't mind citroens, i'm not anti-french as such, but those two brands i think just arnt screwed together well enough. _________________
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DradusContact Turbocharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| gonnabuildabuggy wrote: | When you say you did it with hammerite, did you take it down to bare metal?
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I got a wire brush, scrubbed away as much of the loose rust as i could. Then filled it in with a substance that would supposedly stop the air from getting at it. I knew it wouldn't fix it for good though.
In the grand scheme of things the rust isnt that bad but thats not the only thing making me want to change. _________________
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gonnabuildabuggy Turbocharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| DradusContact wrote: | | gonnabuildabuggy wrote: | When you say you did it with hammerite, did you take it down to bare metal?
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I got a wire brush, scrubbed away as much of the loose rust as i could. Then filled it in with a substance that would supposedly stop the air from getting at it. I knew it wouldn't fix it for good though.
In the grand scheme of things the rust isnt that bad but thats not the only thing making me want to change. |
It never is! Man maths and reasoning always find a way!
You'd need a wire brush attachment on a drill to get it bare. _________________ Aint no substitute for cubic inches. |
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DradusContact Turbocharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Like i say. No logical reason, car still running ok. But had it for 4 years in Feb, never had a car that long. I want that next step up in power. Ka had 60hp(count em!) Mines got 124hp, cooper s would have 170hp. _________________
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simonp Petrolhead
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| DradusContact wrote: | | "him" wrote: | | DradusContact wrote: | | Renault and Peugeot are two brands i would never touch. My opinion of them is well and truly stuck and nothing will change it. |
...and yet for cheap 'hot hatchery' they are far and away the best.
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I don't mind citroens, i'm not anti-french as such, but those two brands i think just arnt screwed together well enough. |
It's Citroen you need to avoid! They're the worst of the 3, not the best. |
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"him" Turbocharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| simonp wrote: | | It's Citroen you need to avoid! They're the worst of the 3, not the best. |
I would agree, though there isn't much between Citroen/Peugeot really.
Renault I would say are probably the best of the 3!
(as long as we don't mention electrical problems...) Our Scenic being a case in point...  _________________ Remember - A gym without chalk is a heath spa... |
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DradusContact Turbocharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Well my ex used to have an AX and it was really primitive. 1.0ltre with 4 gears, at a time when ford where selling the mk4 fiesta for comparison. But in terms of reliability it was solid.
We're probably all a bit irrational in our opinions but they come from somewhere. My dislike for the other two comes from people i know who have had them and had problems.
Much to my chargrin my dad has just flogged his S class and got an 807 _________________
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TimR Supercharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| A while back an AA man told us that the most unreliable cars are Renaults and it's always electrics. |
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DradusContact Turbocharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Got a meeting at 4pm regarding redudancy, if that goes well then im thinking more and more about going for this. _________________
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"him" Turbocharged
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Good luck with that, I hope you get what you want... _________________ Remember - A gym without chalk is a heath spa... |
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Frank Bullitt Turbocharged
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| DradusContact wrote: | | "him" wrote: | | DradusContact wrote: | | Renault and Peugeot are two brands i would never touch. My opinion of them is well and truly stuck and nothing will change it. |
...and yet for cheap 'hot hatchery' they are far and away the best.
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I don't mind citroens, i'm not anti-french as such, but those two brands i think just arnt screwed together well enough. |
EH?
A number of Peugeot's and Citroen's are made in the same factory and they are generally the same cars underneath. _________________ Shame your mind don't shine like your possessions |
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Roadsterstu Petrolhead
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: | | Roadsterstu wrote: |
It's not broken down, it is just "ongoing maintenance prior to delivery". |
Quite so. My bad.
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Actually, to fix my own post, that should read, "ongoing engineering development prior to delivery" |
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simonp Petrolhead
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Not had any electrical probs with mine so far, mostly the seats falling apart and they're made by someone else! |
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Blarno Motorhead
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Other than a duff coilpack, no electrical problems with mine. Admittedly, it took a while to discover it was the coilpack and I was expecting it to be the ECU.
Shit, I just realised, I have a Renault AND a Citroen. I have a whole world of unreliability at hand!
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DradusContact Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Another thought: RX8? Even the slowest one will do 60 in 7 seconds, start on the trader at around £5,500, £6000 sees <50k miles. _________________
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Pkh72 Petrolhead
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My brother had an RX-8 for 18 months or so, the higher powered version, it was lovely to drive and was an ideal car for a mix of enjoying his driving and also ferrying his two sprogs around in the back when required.
Fuel consumption wasn't brilliant but the oil consumption, on his car at least, was nowhere near as bad as some of the reams of guff that's been written about it by people with zero experience of the car seems to suggest. It does use it more than more conventional engined stuff but it wasn't scarey. _________________ Nothing to see here |
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"him" Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Blarno wrote: | | ...Shit, I just realised, I have a Renault AND a Citroen. I have a whole world of unreliability at hand! |
Me too...  _________________ Remember - A gym without chalk is a heath spa... |
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DradusContact Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Parkers indicate your lucky to get 20 to the gallon with mixed/spirited driving. That would be quite a step down, mine can be quite frugal if needed, on a pure motorway run doing 70 all the way 400 miles is easy to achieve, its only a 40 litre tank too.
Worst ive ever had was about 270 between fills, that HHRT style driving though! _________________
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Grampa Petrolhead
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| DradusContact wrote: | | Another thought: RX8? Even the slowest one will do 60 in 7 seconds, start on the trader at around £5,500, £6000 sees <50k miles. |
As long as you're not going uphill - the way they drive is a real mix - beautifully balanced, great driving position - everything feels just right the minute you get in, amazingly smooth engine - then comes the lack of torque which spoilt it all for me (and that was on the faster one - which is also the only one to have a 6 speed box) - plus I could never quite decide if I liked the looks or not. _________________ Andrew L |
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gonnabuildabuggy Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Grampa wrote: | | DradusContact wrote: | | Another thought: RX8? Even the slowest one will do 60 in 7 seconds, start on the trader at around £5,500, £6000 sees <50k miles. |
As long as you're not going uphill - the way they drive is a real mix - beautifully balanced, great driving position - everything feels just right the minute you get in, amazingly smooth engine - then comes the lack of torque which spoilt it all for me (and that was on the faster one - which is also the only one to have a 6 speed box) - plus I could never quite decide if I liked the looks or not. |
I cam to the conclusion they were a great car for fast, twisty roads taken flat out. As most of my driving at the time was motorways I bought the Saab instead.
They are great value now though - supposedly some have had new engines for some reason but I'm sure the RX8 forum will tell you all you need to know. _________________ Aint no substitute for cubic inches. |
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DradusContact Turbocharged
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Seems like a car with character. Rarer, cheaper and faster than a mini. _________________
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Blarno Motorhead
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RX8s have an unbelievably foul interior. Shiny plastic is acceptable in a box of Milk Tray, not on a 20k+ sports car.
I don't mind them, but the power/mpg ratio is shocking. A 230 Bhp car doing 20 mpg is ridiculous. I'd be wanting at least 400 Bhp in return for 20 mpg. _________________ Arms held out, in the Jesus Christ Pose. |
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TimR Supercharged
 My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5
Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096
Location: On the hard shoulder
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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If I had to go for a 20mpg Japanese coupe I wouldn't look past the 350Z.
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"him" Turbocharged
 My Car: is 'wikkid innit' & '04 Scenic Dynamique
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 4860
Location: Cornwall
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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probably a good introduction to RWD too, no "turbo torques" to worry about, in fact very little of them at all?
I have tried to like the styling of them though, and up to now have failed. The latest Prodrive fettled ones look the best I think... _________________ Remember - A gym without chalk is a heath spa... |
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