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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:56 pm    Post subject: Giulia Quadrifoglio  Reply with quote

Mrs R and I braved the wild wastelands of Shoreditch on Saturday to attend a preview of the new Giulia, which involved being shown two Giulia Quadrifoglios and a normal Giulia diesel, and (bravely) an M3.

It's jolly nice. Mrs R approved enormously (apart from the £60k price tag). Sounds epic, looks great in the metal and has a nice and spacious interior with lashings of leather (stitched dash as well in the Q4). Lots of showroom appeal.

Downsides? The rear seats don't fold, you can't have a sunroof, the paddles are fixed rather than moving with the wheel as per the M3, and the media interface looks good until you try the one in the M3, at which point you realise the BMW system is on a whole other level. The M3 (in dowdy grey) also looked smaller and tauter visually, if nowhere near as striking.

The biggest question remains the residuals. They were shocking on the GTA and that only started at £30k-ish. The brand manager talked a good game on that but ultimately only time will tell.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Giulia Quadrifoglio Reply with quote

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Mrs R and I braved the wild wastelands of Shoreditch on Saturday to attend a preview of the new Giulia, which involved being shown two Giulia Quadrifoglios and a normal Giulia diesel, and (bravely) an M3.

It's jolly nice. Mrs R approved enormously (apart from the £60k price tag). Sounds epic, looks great in the metal and has a nice and spacious interior with lashings of leather (stitched dash as well in the Q4). Lots of showroom appeal.

Downsides? The rear seats don't fold, you can't have a sunroof, the paddles are fixed rather than moving with the wheel as per the M3, and the media interface looks good until you try the one in the M3, at which point you realise the BMW system is on a whole other level. The M3 (in dowdy grey) also looked smaller and tauter visually, if nowhere near as striking.

The biggest question remains the residuals. They were shocking on the GTA and that only started at £30k-ish. The brand manager talked a good game on that but ultimately only time will tell.


Hopefully one will appear in my local(ish) dealer soon then.

Re the paddles, having driven a couple of cars with steering wheel-attached paddles, I must say I prefer them fixed. That probably has more to do with having them as such for 8 years than anything else mind you, hough knowing they will always be *there* is quite comforting.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quite fancy a 2.0T one as opposed to a spine jiggling one.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lease figures for the Guilia are horrendous when compared to the Mercedes, Audi or BMW equivalent.

I don't doubt that it is a good car but it will most definately have a very limited market.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Residuals really will be the killer for this sadly. And who in Alfa's interior design department thought owners wouldn't ever want to put the seats down? That's quite an oversight. I like the look of it though, it looks a lot more interesting than the Audi/BMW/Merc trio. You'd certainly stand out in the company car park with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The residuals mean that in 5 years' time it could be a rather tempting thing.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And who in Alfa's interior design department thought owners wouldn't ever want to put the seats down? That's quite an oversight.


Must at least be an option?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it but it wouldn't work for me for a number of reasons.  The residuals might end up being better than expected, especially if you keep it a decent amount of time, but it's a risk.

The media system in the M3 is a generation old now, the new system (from the 7 series) is being rolled out across the range now.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilD wrote:
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And who in Alfa's interior design department thought owners wouldn't ever want to put the seats down? That's quite an oversight.


Must at least be an option?


In some saloons of old, the rear seat back formed part of the structural rigidity - hence no folding seats. So that could either be the case here (as it is the high performance model), it is an option, or else it is just crap interior design..... †

I like that this exists, but if the lease rates are so high, it'll be a killer for it. Perhaps after a few months of Alfa trying to defend what appears a silly price, the discounts will start to kick in and the lease rates might improve?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The residuals will kill it. No matter how good the car is the Alfa dealers are not up to the job.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quite like the new Alfa but not the super-hot model oddly enough, doesn't really do much for me.

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And who in Alfa's interior design department thought owners wouldn't ever want to put the seats down? That's quite an oversight.


Must at least be an option?


In some saloons of old, the rear seat back formed part of the structural rigidity - hence no folding seats. So that could either be the case here (as it is the high performance model), it is an option, or else it is just crap interior design.....


The Peugeot 405 saloon was one such car which only had the centre 'ski hatch'. To be fair, you have to pay extra for a folding seat on the 3-series (therefore I suspect it is rocking horse shit on the used market) as do a number of C-klasse saloon models too.

According to the price list you can get both a panoramic sunroof (£1250) and split rear seats (£180) on cooking models but neither on the foggy-four
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly - it is hot version that is denied the split-fold rear seat and the sunroof.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Exactly - it is hot version that is denied the split-fold rear seat and the sunroof.


Are they planing an estate?
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Apparently not "because that's a dying market segment and the customers want SUVs instead"...
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So the Alfa SUV will be given the Quadrophenia drive train?
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Exactly - it is hot version that is denied the split-fold rear seat and the sunroof.


That doesn't say much for the body rigidity does it  

They have to weld up as many openings as possible as it all bends with that much power going through the chassis.

I suspect that a petrol 4 cylinder may be the pick of the range - enough Alfa-ness  with a lower price and probably lower PCP too.
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Exactly - it is hot version that is denied the split-fold rear seat and the sunroof.


That doesn't say much for the body rigidity does it †

They have to weld up as many openings as possible as it all bends with that much power going through the chassis.

I suspect that a petrol 4 cylinder may be the pick of the range - enough Alfa-ness †with a lower price and probably lower PCP too.


Or it says that the body is now super rigid.


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