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Eff One

Just popped up on Autosport:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79061

Now begins the merry-go-round...
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Big Blue · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject:

Jacques Fucking Villeneuve?

No Hope; may drive for one of the new teams and have a pre-listed excuse of reasons for not finishing / being slow / crashing / being shit
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ALF · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject:

Although I loved watching him race for the team, McLaren didn't seem gutted to lose him when he left, citing a poor work ethic. Weird move to take him back - except of course McLaren love the "two world champions slugging it out" thing and know it means more press coverage - and thus sponsorship dollars...

Humphrey The Pug · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:24 pm Post subject:

Richard (ex-MB_insider) · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject:

Big TC · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject:

Well, it'll be a chance to see just how good Massa really is. He largely dealt with Kimi, who was regarded as the quickest guy out there, and will be up against the guy who is widely regarded as currently the quickest...

Similarly, Hammy against Kimi in identical cars should be interesting. Hammy should win that one.
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Eff One · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:04 am Post subject:

Dr. Hfuhruhurr · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:57 am Post subject:

Amusing comment in an email from a friend: if someone is "confirmed" at Ferrari, is it done by the Pope?

ds240 · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:16 am Post subject:

pleased alonso has joined. Fed up with kimi work ethic, after the Schumacher years. Should be much more committed. Only alonso whinging at mclaren spoiled his reputation a bit.
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:19 am Post subject:

What Ferrari have missed since Schumacher's retirement is the kind of driver who pushes the team: for all their ability, I don't think Raikkonen or Massa are that type person, whereas Alonso undoubtedly is.

Big Blue · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:36 pm Post subject:

ALF · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:38 pm Post subject:

I do rate Alonso but it's hard to say he's the fastest driver out there when he was bettered by a man in his rookie year. Even middling F1 drivers usually blow away newbies. He does consistently try very hard though, which is where he differs to Kimi.

What I await with baited breath is what massive indiscretion Alonso is loosely associated with at his next team. Is it coincidence spectacular cheating of a scale able to bring down a team seems to always have him buzzing around in it somewhere? We shall see...

TimR · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:07 pm Post subject:

I'm sure Ferrari have been up to no good for a while now - at least I get that feeling due to their, now open, special relationship with the FIA.

All that might stop if Ari Vatanen gets the presidency so there could well be a scandal with Alonso nearby

Of course if Jean Twat gets the presidency I think Ferrari should be safe enough.

Dr. Hfuhruhurr · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:57 am Post subject:

I love the way people keep insinuating about Ferrari cheating, without ever producing a shred of evidence.

Mike Amos · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:31 am Post subject:

If JT gets the presidency they may as well just have twenty red cars on the grid and send the rest home or ban them for having the temerity to have a sh1t on race day or something.
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:33 am Post subject:

(yawn)

Eff One · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:00 am Post subject:

ALF · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:01 pm Post subject:

Hamilton does seem a long way away on setup at times - I wonder if McLaren hope for more experienced input from Kimi there. When I used to subscribe to Autosport they often mentioned this. As you say he'll get there, but he benefitted a lot from Alonso in his first year in this regard.

But I still think a lot of people took Lewis's first year performance for granted as soon as it was clear he was a superstar in the making. Trivia about being equal on points just doesn't matter - Alonso should have blown him away. Button did merely OK against Ralf - sometimes stellar (like at Spa) and sometimes right down near the back of the grid - in his first year and that was seen as a good performance - against a driver nothing like as good as Alonso, and not a multiple world champion. Lewis's first year was an utterly remarkable thing and to my mind is one of the reasons he appears more likely to be of the Senna/Schumacher mould than any other driver out there today.

Dr. Hfuhruhurr · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject:

Eff One · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject:

No doubt about it, the fact that Hamilton managed to match Alonso in his debut year was remarkable. I was one of the pre-season doubters - it was clear enough that he was quick but from the information we had at the time, there was no way of knowing how he was going to handle the pressure of jumping straight into a front-running car with a world champion teammate.

I agree with Dr H that he's done himself great credit this year, Monza notwithstanding.
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