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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:30 am    Post subject: F1 game 2016 - the grand finale in Abu Dhabi  Reply with quote

A bit late as I have only just got back from 3 days away on business.
Usual answers/guesses.
Bonus question:
What will the gap be in minutes/seconds between the winner and the last classified finisher who is still running at the end of the race?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pole: Hamilton
Fastest: Hamilton
Bonus: 1min 41.8s

1) Hamilton
2) Rosberg
3) Vettel
4) Verstappen
5) Ricciardo
6) Raikonnen
7) Perez
8) Hulkenberg
9) Alonso
10) Bottas


I am not sure on the bonus question because anyone not on the same lap is categorised by the number of laps behind and not the time.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonus question is/was designed to eliminate any car that had stopped, eg retired in the pits on the penultimate lap, but was still given a classified finishing position..... ideally "last car to take the chequered flag" irrespective of how many laps behind the winner it crossed the finishing line.

Is that more clear now?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the maximum time would be the time taken to do a complete lap, if the winner was right on the tail of someone else as he crossed the line.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Räikkönen
Bonus: 1m 42s (Bloody Hell Chris. I have to find that out to do scores )

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Ricciardo
4. Vettel
5. Räikkönen
6. Hulkenberg
7. Alonso
8. Sainz
9. Bottas
10. Kvyat
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pole: Hamilton
F/Lap: Hamilton
Bonus: 2m 42s

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Verstappen
4. Vettel
5. Ricciardo
6. Bottas
7. Raikkonen
8. Hulkenberg
9. Massa
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pole - Da Ham
F/L - Da Ham
Bonus - 1m 12s

1) Rosberg
2) Hamilton
3) Vettel
4) Ricciardo
5) Raikkonen
6) Bottas
7) Verstappen
8) Massa
9) Alonso
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Pole: Hamilton
Fastest lap: Hamilton
Bonus: 1 min, 53 secs

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Verstappen
4. Ricciardo
5. Vettel
6. Raikkonen
7. Perez
8. Bottas
9. Hulkenberg
10. Massa
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bonus: 1m 42s (Bloody Hell Chris. I have to find that out to do scores )



It isn't possible for the time to be any longer than the time of the last car ahead of the winner to finish the last lap since cars which have been lapped finish their race when they next cross the line after the winner has done so. A car which is 3 laps down won't get a chance to complete those 3 laps, merely the one it is on and nobody times beyond that.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^  now you tell me !
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I want that stingray sculpture DC gave to Jenson on the C4 qualifying programme.
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Just watching that GP2 race reinforces my view that it no longer a suitable junior category to F1. You had drivers trundling around conserving tyres, and F1 teams don’t look tyre conservation when it comes to hiring (unless it’s a money-related decision). An increasing number of drivers are coming from either European F3 or GP3 and are making the transition to F1 just fine. It seems that Helmut Marko isn’t even that keen on his own protégé that just became GP2 champion. You know that because Pierre Gasley was snubbed for a Toro Rosso drive for 2017.

With how more drivers are coming from more junior single seater categories, it kind of questions the relevance of the junior championships between the 500 – 600 bhp range, including the Formula 3.5 V8 championship.

Red Bull has historically ignored GP2 and whilst Marko is an arse, he’s right.
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Result, excellent to see.
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Did Da Ham shake his hand in the room or wait until on the podium?
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If he did it in the pre-room, I didn't see it - I'd be amazed if he did as he utterly lacks humility.
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Love Toto Wolff. And Mrs Wolff. Best thing about C4 coverage.
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Hamilton congratulated Rosberg as soon as he was out of the car; Rosberg was doing the usual huggy thing with all of his mechanics, Hamilton tapped him on the shoulder and they hugged.
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Hamilton congratulated Rosberg as soon as he was out of the car; Rosberg was doing the usual huggy thing with all of his mechanics, Hamilton tapped him on the shoulder and they hugged.


Fair enough. Post race interviews seems to support FB's summing up though.
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Disappointed. I'm not a huge Hamilton fan, but Rosberg is definitely his inferior and only won by virtue of having the best car rather than being the best driver. If the tables had been reversed Da Ham wouldn't have trundled around in second place whining about being held up, he'd have gone for the win. I switched off the TV the second they crossed the line.
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Well the 2016 F1 season ended as a sad indictment of the Sport. One of the drivers in the race for the title drove as slowly as he dared to win the race to try to win the title. This, my friends, is the pinnacle of open wheel racing. Falling audiences, reduced gates, venues turning their back.... I can't imagine there's a crisis in F1.

Long live MotoGP.
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One of the drivers in the race for the title drove as slowly as he dared to win the race to try to win the title. .


Obviously a lot of chatter about this move. Seems fair enough to me, winning the race was never going to be enough so he needed to mix it up a bit. As for your (tongue in cheek) comment BB, sport isn't just about full out attack, as you well know.
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It will be next year.....
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Just shows the massive improvement needed next year by the other teams. Hamilton drove as slow as he could and the rest of the field still couldn't pass.

Be interesting how Rosberg goes next year. Wouldn't be surprised if its a tick in the box of life and he might not be quite so up for the fight.
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Disappointed. I'm not a huge Hamilton fan, but Rosberg is definitely his inferior and only won by virtue of having the best car rather than being the best driver.


History is littered with such examples because it is both a team sport (manufacturers title means more than the drivers whatever fans of certain drivers think) and a long season race of attrition - if it was all about 'the best driver' alone then they'd spend a weekend driving identical cars around a challenging track and at 3pm on a Sunday they'd all get a single lap to do - if the car let them down they'd get another go.

Despite the opportunity for Rosberg to be 'psyched out' by all the 'Hamilton is better but you're ahead because of x' the he wouldn't have made the season end and been able to keep it on the road in this afternoons pressure cooker - Vetel went for an overtake at the last DRS and I was convinced Rosberg would let him go in order to play the points game in the knowledge Verstappen wouldn't realistically be able to get past him - he didn't, he defended excellently at the point of a critical decision. That's why he drives a F1 car and I don't.

There's a great facebook thread about the Porsche win at Le Mans, and there are a number of fucktards on there declaring that Toyota really won - no they didn't, it wasn't a 23h 55m race. It's tough but sometimes it is beyond the driver who can pull the fastest lap alone.
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I've never seen this backing up bollocks in MotoGP. Sure in 2015 there was a lot of bollocks spoken of the Spanish riders ganging up on Rossi, but Lorenzo is so relatively unpopular in Spain that's mainly Rossi making up for Lorenzo being quicker when ahead (although he's poor if he's not in the lead group of three) and in the past 125 and 250 classes woe betide anyone faster than an Itie when in the pack.

So we can argue that this scenario arose because neither Mercedes drivers wrapped the season up earlier. That would be fine if they were neck and neck in several races, setting the tracks alight with wheel to wheel racing and the championship on a knife edge but no: one driver romped off to a massive lead whilst the other suffered varyingly mechanical and other issues then the season ended with the former driver creeping round to keep safe.

Of course the rules and the budgets don't help either. In MotoGP there have been 9 winners in 18 races, including an unprecedented 8 different winners in 8 consecutive races. Some of those winners were on satellite bikes, not full works teams, as the rules have been tweaked to give the rider a bit more say in the result. I know I shouldn't compare different classes and categories of racing but it's hard not to when about 25-30 of your weekends revolve around 2 championships. The Malaysian GP funders can't but help it either, as they are pushing the MotoGP ahead of the F1 race as they look to drop the latter asap.
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Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Just shows the massive improvement needed next year by the other teams. Hamilton drove as slow as he could and the rest of the field still couldn't pass.

Be interesting how Rosberg goes next year. Wouldn't be surprised if its a tick in the box of life and he might not be quite so up for the fight.


Indeed, 2017 should hopefully be very interesting to watch. Da Ham should be going for it right from the off.  I suppose you have to admire Nico for running up twice yet still persevering for a third attempt against Lewis, and finally getting the upper hand due in no small measure to mechanical woes that affected Lewis's car

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1m34.580 appears to be the answer to the bonus question !
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I'm pleased Rosberg won. Hamilton is undeniably the greater driver, but that doesn't mean he should've won it by default.
Rosberg has managed his season perfectly. These final few races he knew he didn't need to beat Hamilton, his car was quicker than the rest and reliable so he 'just' guided it home in 2nd each race. Could he have beaten Hamilton in an all out battle, probably not, but he didn't have to.

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Susie Wolff is smoking hot, but has dead eyes

How did Jenson get so smashed in the hour between retiring and being interviewed?
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Here she is with me before she got married  

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Disappointed. I'm not a huge Hamilton fan, but Rosberg is definitely his inferior and only won by virtue of having the best car rather than being the best driver. If the tables had been reversed Da Ham wouldn't have trundled around in second place whining about being held up, he'd have gone for the win. I switched off the TV the second they crossed the line.


I 100% disagree with you Simon, pretty much all drivers who have won championships in the modern era have done so largely due to having the best car so it's not really a valid criticism. Yes Hamilton had some bad luck but so did Niko over the last two seasons so if we take that into account Lewis' 2014 & 2015 championships (and his 2008 title when Massa had some rotten luck) don't make him worthy of being a champion.

I'm inclined to look towards the reasons why Niko won it rather than focus on why others didn't, it's not just about who had the best car. How many of Vettels titles were won in years when Webbers car was equally reliable and the best of its kind? So yes Lewis did have some shit luck with reliability but he also failed to work out how to correctly carry out a standing start. Niko managed to get away perfectly on each occasion Lewis didn't, so how is that luck?
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Agree with everything gooner says, Hamilton's inability to put a decent start together has undone him too-many times; you could say he has had technical issues or that he bottles it when he is in a straight fight.

Either way, Rosberg deserves the victory and it was wonderful to see him at the end.
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Gutted that Hamilton has not retained his title. Can't stand that snot-nosed German.

In an era of increasingly grey identikit drivers he at least provides some light and shade.
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Anyone concerned Nico won it despite not being as good as someone else, remember his dad won the title with a single race win (admittedly in an absolutely MENTAL season where no one won more than twice) after two Ferrari drivers were taken out of the title race, one permanently and one to never drive in F1 again. Pironi was injured in Germany but still was only 5 points off Keke four races later to finish runner up.

If F1 served up that kind of season it would outstrip the Premier League for TV revenue and indeed it's that era and the following decade that made it so successful on TV and in the press, when personalities and cutting edge engineering/trial and error made for gulfs in lap times from race to race between the teams. The march of technology means things are too stable now (tyres, brakes, engines, suspension components....) to return there. Bummer.
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I've never seen this backing up bollocks in MotoGP


DC and Mark Webber found Jorge Lorenzo in the pits post race and he admitted doing this very thing in the same situation.
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I've never seen this backing up bollocks in MotoGP


DC and Mark Webber found Jorge Lorenzo in the pits post race and he admitted doing this very thing in the same situation.


The most unpopular man in the paddock; nothing would surprise me about his on track behaviour. He's stultifyingly fast but can't race like the others in as many circumstances. Marquez effectively took himself out of the 2015 title as he refused to back off and take points as opposed to winning. Lorenzo wins races lights to flag from pole / front row and never else.

Sorry, side tracked into a rant about Lorenzo. When I was in Alcaniz for the MotoGP in 2010 he was loudly booed - in Spain by 100,000 Spaniards. If he backs riders up to take points from other riders he deserves it.
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Niko managed to get away perfectly on each occasion Lewis didn't, so how is that luck?


That was more down to luck more down to luck than you’d think. Despite the dual lever system was ditched in the middle of last year, the starts are still automated to an extent. The drivers are still at the mercy of the software that tries to minimise wheelspin. There is an argument that F1 cars should be like GP2 with more limiting use of such software.

Two starts in particular should be looked at. Rosberg's terrible getaway in Germany and Hamilton's terrible getaway in Italy. Neither had anything to do with the driver, in both situations the launch sequence simply didn't launch the car as intended. Its easy to look at these starts and think the driver has bottled it, not necessarily.

I believe Rosberg is a deserving champion because he scored the most points, and that’s how the championship operates. Beating Hamilton in the same car is an impressive achievement, and he’s driven some impressive races this year. He passed Verstappen in Germany with fantastic judgement, regardless of the penalty he received. He illustrated great composure when spun around on the opening lap in Malaysia, battling back to the podium.

Is Rosberg as good as Hamilton, Alonso or Vettel? I don’t believe so. Rosberg has never won a wheel-to-wheel duel with Hamilton, and when it gets wet, Hamilton has been significantly faster. Once the positioned were switched, Hamilton was up to a 1.5 seconds a lap faster than Rosberg in the wet at Monaco. In the most treacherous of conditions, Rosberg has looked a bit lost compared to Hamilton. And like all great champions, Hamilton is an effective, cunning politician – something that Rosberg is not.

2017 will see significantly faster cars in terms of laptime, if not top speeds. I think this particularly suits Hamilton, Verstappen, Raikkonen and Alonso. Hamilton and Alonso are the sport’s most adaptable drivers, and have both been fast over a multitude of different regulations over the years, but both drivers are ideally suited to driving flat-out lap-after-lap, something which hasn’t been possible since 2011. Raikkonen doesn’t like the peaky nature of the current Pirelli’s with the Ferrari, and he was spectacular when the sport was last a flat-out formula. Verstappen learnt his trade in a championship where tyre conservation was non-existent. Plus, he has the ability to overtake where others can’t. I think overtaking might become more difficult in 2017, so that will be an even greater asset than it has been in 2016.
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There is no doubt in my mind that the German team wanted the German to be F1 World Champion (although how a Finn is German I am not sure) and although it is denied on all fronts, it is not inconceivable that small oversights or decisions could have been made which may not have been the most beneficial to Hamilton. I don't think that anyone pressed the self destruct button on Hamilton's engine or anything like that but perhaps calling him in a lap or two early, or late or perhaps forgetting to fix the small software glitch.

I liked Rosberg in his early years in F1 and he showed a lot of talent and speed so I am not too disappointed at his winning but the best drivers out there are Hamilton, Ricciardo, Verstappen and Alonso.
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I think I made the right decision not to bother with F1 this year, and I'm not expecting to give it the benefit of the doubt in '17.

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I've never seen this backing up bollocks in MotoGP


DC and Mark Webber found Jorge Lorenzo in the pits post race and he admitted doing this very thing in the same situation.


Marquez did it to Rossi too. And that was to help someone IN ANOTHER TEAM win the title.
Hamilton did exactly the right thing, only he should have gone even slower. It is Rosberg who has been driving cynically the last few races, making no attempt whatsoever to beat Hamilton.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think I made the right decision not to bother with F1 this year, and I'm not expecting to give it the benefit of the doubt in '17.

Hamilton is the perfect modern celebrity.  And lest I be misunderstood, that is not a compliment.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is no doubt in my mind that the German team wanted the German to be F1 World Champion (although how a Finn is German I am not sure) and although it is denied on all fronts, it is not inconceivable that small oversights or decisions could have been made which may not have been the most beneficial to Hamilton. I don't think that anyone pressed the self destruct button on Hamilton's engine or anything like that but perhaps calling him in a lap or two early, or late or perhaps forgetting to fix the small software glitch.


You don't seriously believe that do you?

Interesting comments on the BBC Sport web site on whether Rosberg deserved it or not, most illuminating from Damon Hill and Alain Prost who both (as ex champions of course) describe the mental challenge he will have dealt with having been beaten by Hamilton 2 years in a row in the same (or perhaps not quite as good if Mercedes have always been giving Da Ham poor service) machine. Also, I hadn't twigged that since Hamilton wrapped up 2015 in Austin, Rosberg has won 12 of the 25 GP's.

The fact Rosberg smiles and comes across as warm when compared to a sultry moody Hamilton is all the better as far as I'm concerned.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is no doubt in my mind that the German team wanted the German to be F1 World Champion (although how a Finn is German I am not sure) and although it is denied on all fronts, it is not inconceivable that small oversights or decisions could have been made which may not have been the most beneficial to Hamilton. I don't think that anyone pressed the self destruct button on Hamilton's engine or anything like that but perhaps calling him in a lap or two early, or late or perhaps forgetting to fix the small software glitch.


You don't seriously believe that do you?



At the same time do you believe that a German company would not prefer to have a German champion, for all sorts of marketing reasons? There is so much money in F1 that I believe that anything is possible and given the tiny margins, it only needs a tiny difference even the mental one where it might have been prudent to change an engine or a part because of data received but it was decided not to and therefore take a chance.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was public knowledge a number of years back that Mercedes wanted Michael Schumacher in their car to win the world championship as a German in a German car.  Nico is a suitable substitute for them.

I'd like to see Lewis come out fighting next year and dominate all races making Nico looking like an also-ran at every GP, but I somehow doubt that it will happen that way as Hamilton is too "moody".  He still has a way to go to follow MS's achievement of finishing every race in a season on the podium (2002 IIRC)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hamilton lost the World Championship.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.











(Sorry. No one else was blunt enough about it)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hamilton did exactly the right thing, only he should have gone even slower. It is Rosberg who has been driving cynically the last few races, making no attempt whatsoever to beat Hamilton.


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Bernie should be getting on his knees and sucking Hamilton's cock for actually daring to bring a bit of interest to a season finale that looked like a foregone conclusion and a procession.

Then you had that Corporate suit, Tonto Wolff, going on how first priority is securing the victory and Lauder saying that, although they had done everything in the past, it was all about the team. Hamilton rightly pointed out that they had secured both the constructors' and the drivers' championship before the race so did they expect him to just drag Rosberg round to victory and not even try to make it a bit difficult for him? Total nonsense.

Rosberg always strikes me as the type of twat who will go with you to a meeting and then make a point of talking in German with your hosts to exclude you from the conversation.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Sacamano wrote:
DetmoldDick wrote:

Hamilton did exactly the right thing, only he should have gone even slower. It is Rosberg who has been driving cynically the last few races, making no attempt whatsoever to beat Hamilton.


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Bernie should be getting on his knees and sucking Hamilton's cock


Doubt he needs to bend down.
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PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
DetmoldDick wrote:

Hamilton did exactly the right thing, only he should have gone even slower. It is Rosberg who has been driving cynically the last few races, making no attempt whatsoever to beat Hamilton.


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Bernie should be getting on his knees and sucking Hamilton's cock


Doubt he needs to bend down.


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I don't much care to be honest. I've actually lost interest in F1 long ago. If dickish cunts like Hamilton (and Vettel too) get their applecart upset then all the better for it. Go cry to mummy then.
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JohnC wrote:
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JohnC wrote:
There is no doubt in my mind that the German team wanted the German to be F1 World Champion (although how a Finn is German I am not sure) and although it is denied on all fronts, it is not inconceivable that small oversights or decisions could have been made which may not have been the most beneficial to Hamilton. I don't think that anyone pressed the self destruct button on Hamilton's engine or anything like that but perhaps calling him in a lap or two early, or late or perhaps forgetting to fix the small software glitch.


You don't seriously believe that do you?



At the same time do you believe that a German company would not prefer to have a German champion, for all sorts of marketing reasons?


Ive no doubt they would prefer it for a number of reasons including those you suggest - however, do I believe Hamilton's reliability has been as a direct result of decisions made for this reason - not a chance.

Rosberg won, fair and square.
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I'd like to see no one-team dominance.


Surely?  I know it's a crazy dream and all that...

I wonder what's happened with viewing figures over the last decade?


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