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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject: BMW 5 series Touring  Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure it'll be class-leading, but I struggle to tell one rung of the ladder from the next.  Maybe this is why people buy SUVs?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fairness it's easy to tell this isn't a 7 series - but only because they don't do a 7 estate.
It's a lot like that Lexus, in many ways. Nice profile but let down by some terrible details. Those bumpers are horribly over styled and I'm no fan of the wonky exhausts.
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Don't like the door handles.
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Now that I see it, I can't stop noticing what I presume is a sensor between the two halves of the grille.  It's like a spot, although in this case at least it's not disfiguring a beauty queen.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't like the door handles.


It's ok, they're just fakes. The real ones are hidden in the lower front bumper.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of details aside (agree with Michael, especially the exhausts), that looks pretty good and nicer than the saloon again.  The interior is fantastic.
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Now that I see it, I can't stop noticing what I presume is a sensor between the two halves of the grille.  


It's the fast lane laser, which I thought they would have hidden a bit better.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an option I'd consider.

The lower grille might be different without voodoo cruise, but it won't be as obvious at a normal viewing angle.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 series Touring isn't it? Virtually identical inside and out.
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Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Now that I see it, I can't stop noticing what I presume is a sensor between the two halves of the grille.  


It's the fast lane laser, which I thought they would have hidden a bit better.


For incinerating the plebs?
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That "key" looks just like my PC mouse x1.25
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Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Now that I see it, I can't stop noticing what I presume is a sensor between the two halves of the grille.  


It's the fast lane laser, which I thought they would have hidden a bit better.


For incinerating the plebs?


That or it overrides the ECU and moves them out of the way.
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Why does it have LED fairy lights in the bumper and in the headlights?
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They are LED fog lights
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LEDs don't work in fog. And before you say "yes they do", I was driving to work the other night in fog and a 5 series with LED headlights went the other way. The beam from its lights was being randomly scattered by the wet fog and blinded me for a few seconds. I was not overly impressed. Unless they've radically changed the colour spectrum of those foglights (ie made them a lot yellower) I can't see them being any good at all...
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Yes they do!  

I'm not sure how you can come to such a definitive answer by observing a car driving in the opposite direction.  And before you say the Leon had them, we've already established they are LED Lites and are crap.  

Seriously.....I've driven in quite a bit of fog and not had any problems.   If you put the fog lights on, the headlight beam goes lower and wider, which made quite a difference and would reduce the chance of blinding other road users. There was some glare, but you get that with Xenons.

Are you sure the 5 Series had LED headlights, didn't realise you were a spotter!
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Not a fan of the overly-wide grille nor the fatter rear lights. I think the B5 variant is also due at Geneva.

The current penchant for "floating" touchscreen is simply vile: there must be some more elegant solution - the Tesla manages it.
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Having one car with a screen in the centre console and driven a couple, a higher screen is definitely better (especially if you don't have HUD), but I agree that the tablet stuck on the dash look is not a good solution aesthetically.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
It's a lot like that Lexus, in many ways. Nice profile but let down by some terrible details. Those bumpers are horribly over styled and I'm no fan of the wonky exhausts.


Quite agree re the front bumper. Overstyled front and rear bumpers seems to be a BMW speciality at the moment. so a nice shape, with too much detailing.

And the world as we know it has ended - BMW have officially gone with wanky exhausts. I had hoped the 7 series was a plutocrat special one off, but no, the 5 series touring has them now as well. That's it. It's all over. Civilisation is finished.

I can only hope that if I stand in one spot and wait patiently, design will go full circle back to me  and we'll come back to a far more classical less is more approach.
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You can still get proper (round) exhausts, the SE gets one either side, F10/F11 535 style.  So a 520d SE will have better exhausts than a 540i M Sport....


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you toned down the front bumper slightly, narrowed the grilles slightly and sprayed it black then it'd be identical to the 3 year old 3 series I've got.

What do their styling dept do exactly?
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You can still get proper (round) exhausts, the SE gets one either side, F10/F11 535 style.  So a 520d SE will have better exhausts than a 540i M Sport....




Looks like a...
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How about the screen where it is now and the top section of the dash flowing into one - possibly making the auxiliary heating controls part of a lower touch screen?

I realise there is a likelihood that in some poverty spec cars there will be no huge screen so designing the entire dash to house one was probably considered overkill. I used to like the A8 one that vanished into the dash so at night you could have nothing there.
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On the subject of over styling, Mercedes have said they're going for cleaner surfaces and less ornamentation in future designs.  Sounds good to me.

http://www.evo.co.uk/mercedes/187...e=newsletter&tpid=78156148866
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Lovely interior, not sure about the exterior

At Geneva, Jag will be launching the XF sportbrake - which will be the exact opposite of the above.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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there must be some more elegant solution - the Tesla manages it.


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there must be some more elegant solution - the Tesla manages it.




To not stick a fake iPad on the dash, I meant, not that theirs is particularly elegant.
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Big Blue wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
there must be some more elegant solution - the Tesla manages it.




To not stick a fake iPad on the dash, I meant, not that theirs is particularly elegant.


You're right, Tesla's efforts looks nothing like an Ipad stuck on the dash.  
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PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
there must be some more elegant solution - the Tesla manages it.




To not stick a fake iPad on the dash, I meant, not that theirs is particularly elegant.


You're right, Tesla's efforts looks nothing like an Ipad stuck on the dash.  


Agreed. It looks more like they replaced the centre stack with a 27 inch iMac screen turned through 90 degrees.
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At Geneva, Jag will be launching the XF sportbrake - which will be the exact opposite of the above.


I am looking forward to seeing the XF Sportbrake.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This new 5 is fine, but it follows the trend for making all the models in a range look exactly the same, just slightly different sizes. It's a Russian doll styling strategy...

I'll be interested to see the XF sportbrake (and the XE version - if there is one coming - presumably the XF minus about 5% in size). I'm still drawn to estates over saloons in some ways - despite not really missing the practicality - though I think for me the hated "4 door coupe" is the ideal shape as I can lose the estate practicality, but I quite often do have rear seat passengers. The more sporty looking saloons like the Giulia Quadrifoglio are fine but I don't love the look of typical generic saloons. The new XF, for example, looks worse than the old one to my eyes.

Personally I have not found having a bigger car a problem, at all - I did not consider the last 5 series last time around for being too big, I would not worry about that now. Is this one much bigger?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PG wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
PhilD wrote:
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there must be some more elegant solution - the Tesla manages it.




To not stick a fake iPad on the dash, I meant, not that theirs is particularly elegant.


You're right, Tesla's efforts looks nothing like an Ipad stuck on the dash.  


Agreed. It looks more like they replaced the centre stack with a 27 inch iMac screen turned through 90 degrees.


True in the S and X, they've turned it back around in the 3.


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That looks rediculous.

I should be interested to see the new XF Estate, as it should solve the biggest problem with the design of the saloon (rear end), but having sat in the saloon, they need to start again with the interior.
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Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I struggle to tell one rung of the ladder from the next.

From photos I've seen, the 5's interior is almost absurdly nicer than the 3, especially as you can get decent leather with the former. It does leave you wondering what more the 7 offers, though.
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Slightly fussy outside details aside, I think that looks great. Interior does look like a step up.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking forward to seeing this , and the Jag at Geneva

I also agree that interior looks fab .  Are they bringing out a 535d ?
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The sales manager called me about the launch night next week and we had a chat about future engines.   He said the 540d is coming, probably around the same time as the estate and an M550d is likely but unconfirmed.
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I struggle to tell one rung of the ladder from the next.

From photos I've seen, the 5's interior is almost absurdly nicer than the 3, especially as you can get decent leather with the former. It does leave you wondering what more the 7 offers, though.


You can get Merino leather in the 3 series, including the dashboard, so leather quality isn't an issue, but I agree that the gap is significant and it looks very close to the 7 series which is fantastic inside.

The 7 series has tech that's not available on the 5, such as laser lights and camera based adaptive drive and thanks to a decent discount and 0% finance, the monthly cost on a PCP of a very well equipped 740d, is less than a lower spec 530d x drive.  For now.
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Martin wrote:
You can get Merino leather in the 3 series, including the dashboard, so leather quality isn't an issue ...

That's new, right? Apart from the M3/4, it used to be Elephant Arse ... sorry, Dakota only.
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I know they all look similar but a 5-er is a proper step up from a 3-er when you get in.
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Chip Butty wrote:
At Geneva, Jag will be launching the XF sportbrake ...

Really? I'd thought the F Pace was doing the "estate" thing for Jaguar. Good news, though.
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Martin wrote:
The sales manager called me about the launch night next week and we had a chat about future engines.   He said the 540d is coming, probably around the same time as the estate and an M550d is likely but unconfirmed.


Will you be buying?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin wrote:
and an M550d is likely but unconfirmed.


I cant wait for the M550d v Panamera 4S review, although I imagine the BMW will be quite a bit cheaper
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Is that most probably the most perfect car for the real world? Very desirable. There's nothing I don't like about that
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Is that most probably the most perfect car for the real world? Very desirable. There's nothing I don't like about that

Apart from the probable lack of an M5
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Martin wrote:
You can get Merino leather in the 3 series, including the dashboard, so leather quality isn't an issue ...

That's new, right? Apart from the M3/4, it used to be Elephant Arse ... sorry, Dakota only.


It's been an option for a couple of years and makes a big difference.

Giant wrote:
Martin wrote:
The sales manager called me about the launch night next week and we had a chat about future engines.   He said the 540d is coming, probably around the same time as the estate and an M550d is likely but unconfirmed.


Will you be buying?


I don't know, an M550d could be very tempting, but I might do something different next time.
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I quite like that actually.
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
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I struggle to tell one rung of the ladder from the next.

From photos I've seen, the 5's interior is almost absurdly nicer than the 3, especially as you can get decent leather with the former. It does leave you wondering what more the 7 offers, though.


I was only talking about the outside - have no interest in what it might look like inside!


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