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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:47 am    Post subject: Audi A4 Hatchback Reply with quote

The Audi A4 Hatchback has been revealed, I refuse to bow to the marketing bollocks and call it it's official name! Lots of images here... http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsGallery.aspx?AR=241545&EL=-1


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks bloody lovely from that angle.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prefer to the saloon.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't look half bad in that pic. Will there be an RS version in this shape?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks bigger, must be the pic.

Like though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Parm wrote:
Doesn't look half bad in that pic. Will there be an RS version in this shape?

The RS4 HotSport?  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dare I say a touch of the Lexus GS in profile.....

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like. Can't afford.

Maybe in 5 years?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The red car looks tosh. Prefer the Lexus looks wise.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaguar XF from the A pillar back. Much less desirable, though.

Looks like it has far more in common with the A5 than the A4?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks even better in that first red pic. I too saw the Lexus GS resemblance. Copy cats...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Autocar's "gallery" is rubbish, isn't it? The pics are so small they're not worth looking at. There are bigger versions on a competitor's website.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News...k-2009-the-first-official-photos/
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Autocar's "gallery" is rubbish, isn't it? The pics are so small they're not worth looking at. There are bigger versions on a competitor's website.

It is the same with the Videos, they are such a low resolution compared with drivers-republic for example...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dare I say a touch of the Lexus GS in profile.

Except Audi would never copy BMW's Hoffmeister Knick so blatantly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Bob Sacramento wrote:
Dare I say a touch of the Lexus GS in profile.

Except Audi would never copy BMW's Hoffmeister Knick so blatantly.


Er - except for the new A4 hatchback it seems.

I don't like any variant of the new A4 or A5, especially the drooping tail.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice enough but bland.

Why buy one over an Insignia? (RS excepted)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Bob Sacramento wrote:
Dare I say a touch of the Lexus GS in profile.

Except Audi would never copy BMW's Hoffmeister Knick so blatantly.


Do BMW actually 'own' that idea? I mean, it's just a shape, how do you copyright that?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To bastardise another comment I read -

"So this is the hatchback version for people that want a 5 door version of the 2 door coupe version of the 4 door A4, but don't want the 5 door Avant. Anyone else confused yet?"

I prefer the looks of the Rover SD1, but sadly they don't make them any more.  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice - perfect layout for me - I don't need the full height of an estate but do need a hatch to lob bikes in. Handy...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blarno wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Bob Sacramento wrote:
Dare I say a touch of the Lexus GS in profile.

Except Audi would never copy BMW's Hoffmeister Knick so blatantly.

Do BMW actually 'own' that idea? I mean, it's just a shape, how do you copyright that?

No you can't copyright it - as well as Lexus, Nissan have also copied it. But I couldn't imagine Audi using something so strongly associated with one of their German rivals.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*runs off to design a car exclusively from Hoffmeister kinks.
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ALF wrote:
Very nice - perfect layout for me - I don't need the full height of an estate but do need a hatch to lob bikes in. Handy...


Like an ST220 Hatch?  

Having run a Mondeo hatch I concur that they usually have enough boot space for most hauling duties.

I just wander if they are surrendering their premiumness somehow?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of cars have that window shape these days e.g. the current 5 door Astra.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like the look of that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some more pictures of the A5 Sportback.  I quite like it, more practicality without having to get an estate.  Interesting.....










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The S-Line looks even nicer.




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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer that to the coupe and the saloon.  Nice.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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............... Looks like it has far more in common with the A5 than the A4?


Spookily, that's exactly what I thought.

It is very bland IMHO, and far too similar to the A5 and some others to really stand out.

Not keen.
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I'm lost - what's the difference between A4 and A5 hatchbacks?

PS - Love the idea of it being a "sportback", how many more Maxis would they have sold had they called them that?
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I'm lost - what's the difference between A4 and A5 hatchbacks?


It's all the same car - an A5.  I think a few people are chain-pulling.
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I'm glad they've kept that nice wheelarch accent from the A5, but I have to say that apart from things like the TT and R8, Audi are just cranking the same car out in different sizes. They need to introduce some clearer differentiation between models. And bring back the A2.
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
I'm glad they've kept that nice wheelarch accent from the A5, but I have to say that apart from things like the TT and R8, Audi are just cranking the same car out in different sizes. They need to introduce some clearer differentiation between models.


+1.

It looks quite nice - especially on the 22" wheels in the pictures (no doubt a £5k option) - but when one comes up behind me I won't know what it is until I've let it past.


Actually that gives me an idea.
Since most Audis usually appear behind you pretty quickly and proceed to sit right up your chuff they should apply model badges to the base of the windscreen (the cars are usually too close to see the bonnet) in the same way they do to the bootlid.

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Looks crap.It's a mish mash of just about everything else in the upper price bracket....

There's overtones of Merc and BMW...I'd look closer but it's lost that thing that makes Audi different from the other two..

...I'm sure there's a porker line somewhere in there if I cared too look.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not too sure on that, it does look better than the saloon but is it another derivitave too far, Audi customers and staff will start to get confused about exactly what car they want and will it steal sales from itself?

Is it an A4 hatch or an A5 5 door?

Also a family hatch with only two rear seatbelts!!
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Getting their mileage out of RS4 wheels, aren't they?
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Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Not too sure on that, it does look better than the saloon but is it another derivitave too far, Audi customers and staff will start to get confused about exactly what car they want and will it steal sales from itself?

Is it an A4 hatch or an A5 5 door?

Also a family hatch with only two rear seatbelts!!


I seem to have caused confusion with the name in my OP. Officially it is the A5 Sportback, which to my mind is marketing bollo for what could and should be just called A4 Hatchback. But then they couldn't charge an exorbitant premium for it could they?......  
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I refuse to bow to the marketing bollocks and call it it's official name!

I think you were perfectly clear here ...
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It has got pillarless doors and that is rather cool - I love mine, just not when my mate slams them and I worry the glass will shatter!
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Not too sure on that, it does look better than the saloon but is it another derivitave too far, Audi customers and staff will start to get confused about exactly what car they want and will it steal sales from itself?


Isn't this just a proper return to the old days when there were saloon, hatch and estate versions of every repmobile?

Now that Fords and Vauxhalls are no longer the default choice Audi have stepped up to the plate and BMW will be sure to follow with the next 3 since they've already done it with the 5 series and they're clearly on a niche filling mission.
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Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Not too sure on that, it does look better than the saloon but is it another derivitave too far, Audi customers and staff will start to get confused about exactly what car they want and will it steal sales from itself?


Isn't this just a proper return to the old days when there were saloon, hatch and estate versions of every repmobile?

Now that Fords and Vauxhalls are no longer the default choice Audi have stepped up to the plate and BMW will be sure to follow with the next 3 since they've already done it with the 5 series and they're clearly on a niche filling mission.


Yep, to me this is the admittance that they are now the default repmobile.

I like the later pics, and the pillarless is need. BUT how many family cars will you sell with only 4 seatbelts? I suspect that feature might be dropped before production.
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The problem with pillarless windows is that at some point they will stop working properly, if they're the ones that automatically drop.

My Alfa GT was afflicted with a problem there from day 1 and a recent buyers guide for the current M6 highlighted this as a problem on them too.

It's ok if the car is in warranty but a proper fix will involve a new motor and labour time and easily be a few hundred quid.
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What is the point of this car? Is it a hatch or a saloon? If it's a saloon, I can't see it offering anything over the A4. Why not just make this the A4?


Same goes for the Passat CC. Pointless.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem I see now is that while they are trying to fill every niche possible, they all look the same. Like the same car in different lengths and number of doors.

Same thing with Aston Martin.
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The problem I see now is that while they are trying to fill every niche possible, they all look the same. Like the same car in different lengths and number of doors.

Same thing with Aston Martin.


Alot of manufacturers are guilty of this, like the Polo looking incredibly similar to the Golf, just scaled by 0.85. They seem to think if they don't make all their models look the same people won't be able to determine which marque they are.
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What is the point of this car? Is it a hatch or a saloon? If it's a saloon, I can't see it offering anything over the A4. Why not just make this the A4?


Same goes for the Passat CC. Pointless.


Possibly the American market has something to do with it, since they only really buy saloons or estates. The hatchback has never been popular.

Personally, I think it looks pretty good and it would certainly be on my list to look at. I also think it looks better than the A4 saloon. The biggest problem I see is that Audi may have got greedy and instead of it being priced as an A4 hatch, it will be £3000 or £4000 more expensive and priced as something between an A4 and A6.
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Blarno wrote:
What is the point of this car? Is it a hatch or a saloon? If it's a saloon, I can't see it offering anything over the A4. Why not just make this the A4?


Same goes for the Passat CC. Pointless.


Possibly the American market has something to do with it, since they only really buy saloons or estates. The hatchback has never been popular.

Personally, I think it looks pretty good and it would certainly be on my list to look at. I also think it looks better than the A4 saloon. The biggest problem I see is that Audi may have got greedy and instead of it being priced as an A4 hatch, it will be £3000 or £4000 more expensive and priced as something between an A4 and A6.


Me thinks you are right - hence the A5 badge.
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Blarno wrote:
What is the point of this car? Is it a hatch or a saloon? If it's a saloon, I can't see it offering anything over the A4. Why not just make this the A4?


Same goes for the Passat CC. Pointless.


Possibly the American market has something to do with it, since they only really buy saloons or estates. The hatchback has never been popular.

Personally, I think it looks pretty good and it would certainly be on my list to look at. I also think it looks better than the A4 saloon. The biggest problem I see is that Audi may have got greedy and instead of it being priced as an A4 hatch, it will be £3000 or £4000 more expensive and priced as something between an A4 and A6.


Nah, nobody's going to fall for that.....   are they?
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Blarno wrote:
What is the point of this car? Is it a hatch or a saloon? If it's a saloon, I can't see it offering anything over the A4. Why not just make this the A4?


Same goes for the Passat CC. Pointless.


Possibly the American market has something to do with it, since they only really buy saloons or estates. The hatchback has never been popular.

Personally, I think it looks pretty good and it would certainly be on my list to look at. I also think it looks better than the A4 saloon. The biggest problem I see is that Audi may have got greedy and instead of it being priced as an A4 hatch, it will be £3000 or £4000 more expensive and priced as something between an A4 and A6.


Nah, nobody's going to fall for that.....   are they?


Undoubtedly. Depressing isn't it!  
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Getting their mileage out of RS4 wheels, aren't they?


Ever it was thus dear chap - all those 'Sport' models earlier in this decade wearing bendy 'RS4's' (despite being 17"...)
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