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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:21 pm    Post subject: Another new (used) new car for 2017 ?  Reply with quote

I mentioned in a couple of places that younger daughter (the blue Fiesta driver) was looking at changing for something "more sporty" for a couple of years before she settles down to have a family. I got a text message last week from her that made me laugh..... In addition to looking at a Toyota GT86 and Audi TT, the 3rd option she is looking at is......




(Well, she said she wanted something a bit different to drive around in)





a C-Max !

Whatever she gets should be a petrol, with manual transmission and ideally no more than 2 years old. This could prove to be an interesting time ! TT prices don't seem to be anywhere near her budget, and GT86's are also a bit on the high side for 2014 models. She doesn't want another Fiesta, so it looks like I will get to keep GOK beyond 2018 !
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She certainly is her father's daughter!
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Daughter phoned her local Audi garage up in the week and booked a test drive of a used petrol manual model, which was OK'd for 11:30am this morning "but we'll call to confirm".
Just as well I told her to call them this morning before she left home as she'd not heard back...... no record of her booking or earlier phone call.  Wasted trip saved.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the Toyota GT86, it's simplicity appeals a lot.

I do think any young Girl would prefer a TT, for the image if for no other reason.
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I'm not convinced the move to RWD is a smart move unless she does some training. For most who have never driven RWD, the idea that you could be revolving through a hedge or wall if you plant the throttle coming out of a wet roundabout just doesn't seem to compute. If they get a fright or two then that tempers things but if they overdo it first time around, problems await.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't that all part of the fun. Came out of Heathrow short stay car park last night and had a handful of opposite lock at  about 10 mph
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is part of the fun if you are expecting it or have some idea that it is going to happen. I am not being sexist but the majority of girls don't understand opposite lock and often panic by hitting one of two pedals, neither of which is right. An hour on a skid pan would make  RWD a much safer option.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Isn't that all part of the fun. Came out of Heathrow short stay car park last night and had a handful of opposite lock at about 10 mph


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One of Mrs Tim's friends has gone from a prehistoric SAAB 9-3 diesel to a GT86!
Seemed like a weird choice.
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Isn't that all part of the fun. Came out of Heathrow short stay car park last night and had a handful of opposite lock at about 10 mph


Hooligan.


To be fair at this time of year the car really does move around without having to go at much speed. I really do need to invest in Winter tyres next year if I keep it on.
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Audi dealer has failed to return her calls 3 times or more to confirm a test drive, so she's given up with them.

Very unprofessional attitude, maybe they have so many rich customers that they can't be bothered too much regarding used TT sales
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Audi dealer has failed to return her calls 3 times or more to confirm a test drive, so she's given up with them.

Very unprofessional attitude, maybe they have so many rich customers that they can't be bothered too much regarding used TT sales


Was she trying Audi Glasgow?
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Or Audi Swindon, Audi Northampton, Audi Crewe?  They all have a 100% record for poor (sales) service.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Audi dealer has failed to return her calls 3 times or more to confirm a test drive, so she's given up with them.

Very unprofessional attitude, maybe they have so many rich customers that they can't be bothered too much regarding used TT sales


Was she trying Audi Glasgow?


From all I've heard about them (and your favourite BMW dealer   ), I'm a bit surprised the major German brands manage to sell any cars at all sometimes.

The power of brain-washing I guess; advertising, I meant advertising, honest!!
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Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Audi dealer has failed to return her calls 3 times or more to confirm a test drive, so she's given up with them.

Very unprofessional attitude, maybe they have so many rich customers that they can't be bothered too much regarding used TT sales


Was she trying Audi Glasgow?


From all I've heard about them (and your favourite BMW dealer ), I'm a bit surprised the major German brands manage to sell any cars at all sometimes.

The power of brain-washing I guess; advertising, I meant advertising, honest!!


There is most certainly an arrogance about them. Although it pains me I have to say the service I have had from Harry Fairbairn, who are owned by Arnold Clark, has been excellent. When Douglas Park used to be Henry Bros, they were great, being a family run business but the Park machine has turned it in to a very hard place to like. Everytime you step in the place you get that unsettling feeling that someone is trying to get their hand on your wallet regardless of your reason for being there and they will tell you whatever they need to say to try to get it.
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My V60 had been supplied by Arnold Shark, in Inverness. It has now been de-Arnold Clarked - new plates and got rid of the fucking yellow sticker off the back window!
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I have to say we had a very positive experience at Cooper BMW/Mini in Ipswich yesterday. Keen, friendly, helpful, well-informed on their product and thoroughly pleasant to deal with.

In fact Jaguar were the worst for me when I was looking at options before getting the 440i. I twice went into the Jaguar dealership and also rang, trying to get information/test drive on an XE-S and nobody ever got back to me. Whereas my experiences with Audi, BMW and Mercedes were all positive.
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Younger daughter test drove a TT at Audi West London (the glass-fronted 7-storey "palace" near Brentford) on Saturday having given up on her local Audi dealer.... apparently its "very pretty" and she would like one!  For comparison, a C-Max test drive is booked for next Saturday, and I think she's going to feel a bit disappointed afterwards !
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I can't begin to imagine having a list of options that included a TT and a C-MAX.

If a TT is possible, with no disrespect, why would she want a C-MAX? What's wrong with a Fiesta or a Focus if a Ford hatchback is the order of the day? Small people-carriers are surely not cars you buy unless you really need their particular USP (which is either the ability to fit the most amount of people into the smallest footprint, or the ability to drive whilst wearing antlers).
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It does seem the strangest of cross shops - a TT and a C-Max. If the TT isn't sporty enough she'll go for the C-Max?
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It does seem the strangest of cross shops - a TT and a C-Max. If the TT isn't sporty enough she'll go for the C-Max?


So she wants 5 door practicallity with sporting coupe styling. Toyota has the answer to the question that no-one thought was being asked:

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I can't begin to imagine having a list of options that included a TT and a C-MAX.


The next car she wants should be something totally different from a Fiesta !
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I can't begin to imagine having a list of options that included a TT and a C-MAX.


The next car she wants should be something totally different from a Fiesta !


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If she wants a bit more space than the TT, then she should be looking at the usual mini-SUV stuff I supose. Juke, Toyota HRV, Honda ehatever it's called Juke rival etc. ,
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I can't begin to imagine having a list of options that included a TT and a C-MAX.


The next car she wants should be something totally different from a Fiesta !


How then does that fit with a car that simply looks like someone took a foot-pump to a Fiesta?
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If she wants a bit more space than the TT, then she should be looking at pretty much anything else currently on sale


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can't begin to imagine having a list of options that included a TT and a C-MAX.


The next car she wants should be something totally different from a Fiesta !


I know women (realistically men too) are illogical in their vehicular desires, but is she really making a choice between TT and Cmax?! If so I'd suggest she needs to broaden her automotive horizons, the choice appears to be 'obvious nice car' and 'dads car', get her to set her budgetary parameters and body type etc into autotrader and let her see what other possibilities present themselves.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How have we gone from a TT to a Crossover box?

If she wants something like  a TT but with a bit more space, how about something sporty and half interesting like a Focus ST or Leon FR estate .
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In these sorts of situation, I always think you can't beat a trip down to a car supermarket. Allows whoever you are helping to physically inspect and sit in all the possible options and decide what they actually like.
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Trouble is, nearest car supermarket to her is Car Giant in Acton !
Not somewhere I'd put near the top of my list for a low-mileage, one previous owner, carefully looked after vehicle.

I have a big enough issue of my own to resolve, buy the C-Max when the PCP deal runs out, or change it for a Kuga (or something else, but what?)........
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Do a day looking round used car lots. I can't help but think she needs some form of automotive counselling to have two such disparate choices.

Re the TT, is she used to Audi parts and servicing costs? Does she need the space, etc. can she afford to run it?

Biggest crime in my book and commented on by the garage owner who did the X5 gearbox oil change for me last week is people who put all their money into the car and can't afford to run it. Giveaways are mismatching tyres, budget tyre brands and lack of FSH. Do any of those crimes and you'll hit the resale value.

Also.....if she signs up to a PCP type deal that's 200-400 out of her bank account, every month, does that give her scope to cover unforeseen bills/save for bigger house, etc.

Also, can she get out of the deal if she finds her choice is a mistake?

For youngsters I'd always recommend a decent second hand car fully paid for (e.g. Humph's Fiat 500).

Perhaps look for a good second hand Mk1 TT? Some nice, enthusiast owned ones about and they make actually make not lose money if she decides to swap it for something bigger.

I'd be tempted to look a nice MK2 Focus ST too, as you can't beat Ford's for reasonable running costs.
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Do a day looking round used car lots. I can't help but think she needs some form of automotive counselling to have two such disparate choices.

Re the TT, is she used to Audi parts and servicing costs? Does she need the space, etc. can she afford to run it?

She's coming to see us in 2 weeks' time when the Fiesta is getting serviced and MoT'd.... by which time I may have a greater understanding of her needs for her next car. If she wants a C-Max and will tolerate diesel, she can consider buying mine at the end of its PCP deal, solving my problem of do I buy it or not !  I've already spoken to her about the cost of running a TT and I fear that the insurance costs may effectively prohibit her from buying one anyway; time will tell !
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Trouble is, nearest car supermarket to her is Car Giant in Acton !
Not somewhere I'd put near the top of my list for a low-mileage, one previous owner, carefully looked after vehicle.


You should definitely take your baby to Acton.

The point is, which I'm sure you must understand...

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Do a day looking round used car lots. I can't help but think she needs some form of automotive counselling to have two such disparate choices.


...is about letting her see, and sit in, a wider variety of vehicles. You don't have to buy.
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Exactly. I take friends to CarGiant in Acton, show them the range of cars (it's way easier than trying to explain the respective merits of a variety of hatchbacks or whatever) on the strict understanding that we are just there to browse and identify the right model.

Then once the choice is made, unless by chance (it can happen) CarGiant have a decently presentable example, we leave and the actual shopping starts.

Last friend I took there couldn't decide whether she wanted a hatchback or a convertible. A hour or two wandering around CarGiant saw her plump for a Z4. We then had a hunt around and she bought a jolly nice approved used one in her favoured shade of blue from Park Lane.
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I'm actual now planing a day out to Acton. Reckon it will beat Pepper Pig World.
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I have done the same with several people at Available Car Castle Donington. All the cars are unlocked, the salesmen only approach if asked and you can have 2 test drives per visit arranged on the spot in a no pressure environment.

It is great for trying loads of different car types eg Sister in Law needed a car and came armed with Push chair which we were able to try in all the usual contenders - the boot size of the Polo/Fabia/Ibiza varies wildly (ie won't fit in an Ibiza, squeeze in Polo, loads of room in Fabia). We ended up in a previous shape Merc A class which is perfect for the job
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I have done the same with several people at Available Car Castle Donington. All the cars are unlocked, the salesmen only approach if asked and you can have 2 test drives per visit arranged on the spot in a no pressure environment.

It is great for trying loads of different car types eg Sister in Law needed a car and came armed with Push chair which we were able to try in all the usual contenders - the boot size of the Polo/Fabia/Ibiza varies wildly (ie won't fit in an Ibiza, squeeze in Polo, loads of room in Fabia). We ended up in a previous shape Merc A class which is perfect for the job


Are most like that nowadays? Last time I went (Car Supermarket Northampton, many years ago) they were all locked and you had to get a salesman to find the keys which made it a right faff.

I did go to this place in Northampton (https://www.imperialcarsupermarkets.co.uk/) prior to buying the X5 as Mrs. GBB hates car shopping so showing her everything in one place made sense and I'd struggled to find A7's at Audi dealers so managed to look at Q5, A5, A7, 5GT, 3 series, 3GT, 5 series, X3 and X5 all in one place.

Concluded that much as I loved the A5 and A7 they were just too compromised in the back for the moment. The X3 felt small too.

Annoyingly all the outside stock was locked so we froze everytime the salesman (young lad, helpful if not great on product knowledge, but no pressure) had to get keys.
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My recollection is that at CarGiant they are all unlocked.

There's also not necessarily anything wrong with CarGiant cars. My wife bought her previous car, a 58-plate Smart Passion, from CarGiant when it was 18 months old and she never had any issues with it in the three or so years she had it.
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Michael wrote:
PhilD wrote:
I'm actual now planing a day out to Acton. Reckon it will beat Pepper Pig World.


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Great idea !  Pick a Saturday if possible !
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:

She's coming to see us in 2 weeks' time when the Fiesta is getting serviced and MoT'd.... by which time I may have a greater understanding of her needs for her next car. If she wants a C-Max and will tolerate diesel, she can consider buying mine at the end of its PCP deal, solving my problem of do I buy it or not ! I've already spoken to her about the cost of running a TT and I fear that the insurance costs may effectively prohibit her from buying one anyway; time will tell !


So is the real story you're trying to sell your daughter a Cmax rather than her greatly desiring one?  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't go near a car supermarket, I've always heard that they favour the hard sales tactic and won't let you start roaming until they've organised your finance package first. Sales staff that let buyers find a car they like without buying from them are swiftly shown the door. It would be nice to think they've changed their ways.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gooner wrote:
I wouldn't go near a car supermarket, I've always heard that they favour the hard sales tactic and won't let you start roaming until they've organised your finance package first. Sales staff that let buyers find a car they like without buying from them are swiftly shown the door. It would be nice to think they've changed their ways.


Have you read this thread?  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gooner wrote:
I wouldn't go near a car supermarket, I've always heard that they favour the hard sales tactic and won't let you start roaming until they've organised your finance package first. Sales staff that let buyers find a car they like without buying from them are swiftly shown the door. It would be nice to think they've changed their ways.


Not been my experience. Plus I'm sure we are sufficiently strong-minded to be able to tell them to get knotted under such circumstances.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine too having bought cars from both Available Car (completely non pressure sales environment, even with the extras) and Motorpoint (Cars locked, bit more pushy but not bad)

That said I probably give off an air of there is not point trying to sell paint protection to me!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racing Teatray wrote:
gooner wrote:
I wouldn't go near a car supermarket, I've always heard that they favour the hard sales tactic and won't let you start roaming until they've organised your finance package first. Sales staff that let buyers find a car they like without buying from them are swiftly shown the door. It would be nice to think they've changed their ways.


Not been my experience. Plus I'm sure we are sufficiently strong-minded to be able to tell them to get knotted under such circumstances.


That's good to hear and I would think again about looking at one in future. That was really my point, I've heard bad things about their sales tactics in the past but haven't heard positive things about the buying experience until this thread.


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