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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:30 am    Post subject: 440 has landed...  Reply with quote

So, collected the new mean machine yesterday. I had a valedictory run up to Oxford in the M135i to collect a set of OE winter wheels and then it was on to Guildford to collect the 440i.

First impressions?

Of course appearance is always subjective but it looks fantastic to me. Low, lithe and somewhat prowling, as a BMW should. The shape is long, wide and low and the frameless doors are a lovely touch. The M135i couldn’t help but look rather upright and dowdy by comparison. And even though it was a filthy dull and overcast day, the colour looked great – exceeding all expectations on that front. I was assuming that Carbon Black would look black in all but bright sunlight, but no, it is definitely blue, albeit a very dark blue. The Dream Black of the Z1 would pop blue and green highlights in bright sunlight like a raven’s wing, and parked next to the Sapphire Black M135i, could look very dark blue. Carbon Black on the other hand is actually a blue. I’ve not seen it in sunlight yet (sun doesn’t hit my driveway in the morning) but last night under streetlights, it showed off a deep electric blue gleam that was really attractive. The 19” bicolour alloys, which I hadn’t been sure about, also look great (for the five days they are going to be on the car until the 18” winters are fitted on Thursday morning!).

Things are also looking up inside. Despite being clearly from a similar pen as the design of the 1-series with various controls being identical, it does manage to feel smarter and more upmarket. Neither of us could remember the M135i smelling quite so leathery when it was new, which adds to the subjective sense of luxury. And it is much more spacious – not just things like a properly spacious back seat or bigger boot, but also for example I no longer find my left knee resting on the centre console. The steering wheel in particular is also a vast improvement. Trim-wise, the anthracite wood trim was the right pick. It is somewhat darker than the supposedly identical trim in the M135i, and with a closer grain, but looks spot on. Modern wood trim done well. The saddle leather is also very smart. If I am being picky, I’d have liked it just a shade darker and richer in tone. It looks better in daylight than by night, where it can look surprisingly pale. But it definitely works and no, it doesn’t come with a light lower dashboard fortunately (unlike the red option).  I also haven’t yet quite found a position with the electric seat that is exactly where I want it – more fiddling ahead.

Enough you cry. This is a car forum, not Design Weekly or World of Interiors. What is it like where it matters out on the road?

Well, hard to say definitively so far with barely 70 miles on the clock, consisting on a run back into London down the A3 to Richmond, and then a fiddle up to Notting Hill and back last night.  But it is very different to the M135i.  How much of that is the car and how much of it is the gearbox I have not yet determined. I would be completely intrigued to try an auto M135i now. But the gearbox is indeed a completely peachy device that is beautifully matched to the engine. You can ooze around town effortlessly in a manner that reminds me of my old 500E or you can poke it, at which point it takes off like a greyhound out of a trap with eagerness to match. And it sounds gorgeous. The last car I had that sounded this cultured (Z1 excepted) was the 156 GTA. It sounds just like a big BMW straight six should (and how neither the 135i nor M135i really did).  On start up, it certainly does the whole “is there a powerboat here somewhere” growl that riffs on the noise that the M135i made on start-up but with the volume turned down to 7. Loud enough to be noticed but not liable to irritate neighbours. Then, mooching around, just enough of that classic turbine purr filters into the cabin to ensure you know you’re not in a 428i. Open a window and you realise petrolhead passers-by are actually getting a minor treat. Open the taps, however, and it will growl, snarl and yowl, and generally make all manner of the sorts of big cat crescendo noises you’d want it to make. I’m going to go out on a limb here given this is day 1, but I don’t think I am going to want to add an MPerformance exhaust to this car. Doesn’t need it and wouldn’t suit it.

I can’t make much comment on the handling so far but the ride is good. I am glad I went for the Adaptive suspension because in the Comfort setting it rides in a much more supple manner than the non-adaptive 440i I test-drove. It is also more supple than the M135i, being more cushioned over eg speed bumps. Possibly that is aided by the longer wheelbase.

Anyway, suffice to say I love it and the wife seems so far quite impressed too. It is a much more cossetting and relaxing car than the M135i when you just aren’t in the mood, as it should be, yet it can still sharpen up its act and go like the proverbial off a shovel when you are. I suspect it will be a great companion.

One last note – the voice-activated navigation on iDrive 5 is superb. We set off last night and, although we knew perfectly well where we were going and how to get there, her ladyship wanted to try out the navigation to see how it worked and quickly found the voice activation. I was a bit cynical but it was misplaced. 10 seconds after had I uttered “Pizza Metro, Notting Hill Gate” (which I didn’t think was necessarily the easiest command), the car had worked out where we wanted to go and set the route. After dinner, we tried it again to see if it was fluke and it was equally up to the task. I am sure it can be caught out, but overall I’m impressed.






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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like an Insignia...



Looks fabulous. Got to a candidate for best real world car on sale.
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That does look rather special Racing; very, very nice indeed.

Look forward to hearing more about it as time goes on.
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Looks and sounds great Jonny
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What a piece of crap. Why have you bought that????



Lovely. Frameless doors are cool. Definitely looking blue in the pictures.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice.
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The GC looks better than the regular 4 series. Very tidy.
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Ver' nice. Definitely my favourite current model, just wish we had some X-Drive variants in petrol flavour over here.
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That looks terrific inside out, Carbon Black is one of my favourite colours.
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That does look a great piece of kit. I can imagine being almost as quick in real-world driving as an M4 but with the added comfort that most day to day journeys require. Hope you enjoy it.
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Love it, but we need a boot shot please. I had a ride in a friends 3GT, and quite like it, but these are I. Another league looks wise.

Chip Butty has made me browse AT for 7 Series, but I'll have to have a look at these now too.
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Looks lovely, enjoy it and a really good looking car
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Nice car and perfect colour combination inside and out
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Congratulations, very nice indeed. I'm sure it'll make the European trip a lot more pleasant.
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Lovely. You certainly know how to choose a lovely spec.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does look good, the colour is fantastic - don't specifically remember seeing it before.

I did wonder if this was a thread about a 25 year old Volvo hatchback!
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Frank Bullitt wrote:

I did wonder if this was a thread about a 25 year old Volvo hatchback!

My first thought when I saw the title too !

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Does look good, the colour is fantastic - don't specifically remember seeing it before.

If I'd known further in advance that you were collecting it from Guildford on a Saturday I'd have diverted there to see it before you collected it !
It probably needed a good wash by the time you got it home, judging by the state of the roads and cars around here last week.
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I honestly thought that was Tanzanite blue when I first saw this thread this morning!
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Lovely car and with all this anti-diesel crap going on, probably what I will buy next too.

Just wondering about the man maths of changing mine pre 31st March 2017 when anything with a list price over £40K is going to get another Road Tax shafting!
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It does look really good, I'm a big fan of the saddle brown leather.
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Lovely, love the interior colour.
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Many thanks for all the kind words!

I am very pleased with the way it has turned out. Quite apart from the colour combo, the wheels in particular were something I wasn't sure about. On the 3-series, I always preferred the other 403M multi-spoke 19" option, but I wasn't sure they suited the 4GC. And lo and behold I happened across a black 4GC wearing 403Ms on Bond St yesterday afternoon and knew instantly that I'd made the right call with the bicolour 442Ms I did choose.

And then there are other little things – eg the Extended Storage pack which was a spec error by the dealer but which I am happy to have it as it adds surprisingly useful little netted areas and what-have-yous in the cabin and boot - that just add to the general feel-good factor.

As regards the man maths, yes well the factors behind ordering the car now rather than next summer as previously planned (ie to replace M135i when it turned 5 years old) were:

(i) the offer was pretty good:
- 20% is a pretty good discount, which helps ease the pain of depreciation; and
- 2.9% APR isn't shabby either by car finance standards and actually beats bank finance;
(ii) I expect the purchase price to be higher next year due to one or more of the following:
- either the list price goes up to address currency depreciation or they will compensate by reducing the discounts on offer; or
- as the 4-series is due an LCI in Q2 next year, this will also present an opportunity/excuse for BMW to either raise the price or slash the discount; and
(iii) the tax issue identified by John: on my 440i (Co2 emssions of 159g/km – band G), the first year VED is just £185 and it will stay at £185 per annum under the new rules. For a 440i ordered after the new rules come in, the VED in year 1 is £810 and the VED for each of the next four years is £450. So five year's VED on my car will be £925 instead of £2,610. That's not an inconsequential saving.

I also had a look at the expected changes due to come in with the LCI next year and, given (i) that the 2017 model year F36 has already been treated to the new 3.0 engine, the new iDrive 5 and various other tweaks under BMW's rolling upgrade system, and (ii) that the LCI will only introduce the same bumper tweaks and tweaks to the front and rear lights of the 4-series as it did to the 3-series (which I am not entirely convinced by aesthetically), I decided I could happily live with the pre-LCI version.
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Point (iii) is a very valid one!
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Blimey. It looks hella menacing in black.

Have fun with it mate.
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gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Point (iii) is a very valid one!


Indeed, I didn't realise they were hitting cars at that band so hard. Your other reasonings are pretty sound too. I think you may be right about the LCI offering little more than styling tweaks as they've already given it the 40i engine in place of the 35i. You're probably right about the discounts too as the attractiveness of the offer you got would have been to help keep sales up in the run up to the facelift and during the slow pre Christmas months. Looks like you jumped at the right moment.
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Handsome car.  I like the colour, wheels and trim.  I'm still no fan of privacy glass but I'm glad you are pleased with it and I hope you have lots of pleasurable miles it it.
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I thought about the privacy glass and looked at lots of pics online of 4GCs with and without PG, and decided that they looked better with it. A 4GC in the wrong spec can surprisingly look a little staid.
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BeN wrote:
Blimey. It looks hella menacing in black.

Have fun with it mate.


Thanks. Have you been taking lessons in talking like Guy Ritchie?!
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It is a stunning machine, but every time I see the topic title, this pops into my head!  




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TreVoR wrote:
It is a stunning machine, but every time I see the topic title, this pops into my head!  




Sorry!


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An early iteration of the Gran Coupe.
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That (the BMW, not the Volvo) is a truly lovely thing.
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It is a stunning machine, but every time I see the topic title, this pops into my head!  




Sorry!


There's two on sale on AT right now and both for less than the cost of Racings carbon black paint!
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They're paying you to take them away?  Doesn't surprise me!

(Metallic paint is std on BMWs 440)
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Quite so. That's why I didn't go for Tanzanite Blue at £845 given that Carbon Black was free...

You do have to pay for metallic paint on lesser 4s.
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Glad you are enjoying it, may you have many happy miles together.
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That looks great, Jonny. Enjoy!

What is happening to the 135?
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It's gone for sale or return.
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Looks great in that spec!

It sounds like the "40i" cars may have been given a better engine note than the "35i" which were always said to be a bit muted in that regard. Maybe BMW have started to make the coupes a bit lairier, like others do. But that all sounds very positive - it annoys me when you need the "full fat" petrol version to really be able to hear the engine.

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In true forum style,  a thread on a lovely new BMW has led to me finding these photos on the internet:



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I love the 480, just the shape and quality of them - no idea what they are like to drive although I have driven a friends 440i which compared favourably with the Skoda Estelle I was typically driving at the time!
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I always liked the 480 too. I remember one of Dad's friends turning up at our holiday home in Italy in a then new black Turbo one with red bumper piping that I thought was the mutts nuts at the time.
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As a Carbon Black owner I agree with your comments entirely. To my eyes it looks a bit more classy than pure black and the way it changes in different light conditions is nice.

It's somewhat unpredictable though - the colour is very dependent on angle as well as light conditions. I've seen it looking pretty blue in overcast conditions and black from some angles in bright. Street lights bring out the colour more than most things though - as you've experienced.

Lovely motor - exactly the interior I would have specced and it sounds like a fantastic all rounder.

By chance I parked next to one the other day taking my kids swimming - crappy mobile upload not working to show pic!
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Frank Bullitt wrote:
I love the 480, just the shape and quality of them - no idea what they are like to drive although I have driven a friends 440i which compared favourably with the Skoda Estelle I was typically driving at the time!


My only recollection of a brief trip in a 440 many years ago was how creaky the dashboard was.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice, the only thing I'd have done differently is possibly gone for the Melbourne red but on looking I don't think they offer the choice. Amazed on how poor the colour options are.

As an aside wouldn't an M4 GC be a lovely looking thing.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Very nice, the only thing I'd have done differently is possibly gone for the Melbourne red but on looking I don't think they offer the choice. Amazed on how poor the colour options are.

As an aside wouldn't an M4 GC be a lovely looking thing.


Red not an option. Unless you go for proper Individual paint at about £2k. In which case, I'd have gone for a nice dark green. My father's new SQ5 Plus is a very dark metallic green, which is giving me mild colour envy.

M4 GC supposedly doesn't exist for the reason that the F36 GC is built in a different factory to the rest of the 3/4-series range and BMW decided it couldn't justify the cost of additionally tooling up the F36 production line for M models.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bumped into one of the Litigation partners here over lunch who is a bit of a petrolhead and has hitherto run a rather nice 08-plate Maserati Quattroporte. Turns out he has just chopped it in for a 640d Gran Coupe in Carbon Black. He's very pleased with it and we were complimenting one another on our respectively excellent taste in paint colour…
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racing Teatray wrote:
Bumped into one of the Litigation partners here over lunch who is a bit of a petrolhead and has hitherto run a rather nice 08-plate Maserati Quattroporte. Turns out he has just chopped it in for a 640d Gran Coupe in Carbon Black. He's very pleased with it and we were complimenting one another on our respectively excellent taste in paint colour…


A Litigation partner! I feel like I'm bringing the standard down.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbeaks1 wrote:
Love it, but we need a boot shot please. I had a ride in a friends 3GT, and quite like it, but these are I. Another league looks wise.

Chip Butty has made me browse AT for 7 Series, but I'll have to have a look at these now too.


Boot shot complete with stylish tartan rug and wellies in a sack...



And a close-up of the colour using flash on phone:




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